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Old 07-24-2006, 06:50 AM   #31
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Tipota den mou fenete periergo meta apo ena kalo piato fasoladas!
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Iparxei mia kainouria theoria (den 3ero poso kainouria einia dedomenou oti ego ti diavasa prin peripou 2 xronia) i opoia einai sto stadio tis kataskevis akoma.
Afti i theoria periexei merika apo ta parakato, anaforika me to ti einai oi mavres tripes kai pos einai domimeno to simpan, kai mia pliri analisi mporeite na vreite sto vivlio tou Stephen Hawking : To simpan se ena karidotsouflo. Prosopika to sistino anepifilakta se osous endiaferontai peri tou thematos. Emena me voithise na peraso sxetikotita sti sxoli mou )))

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Sta xronia meta to 1985, egine stadiaka fanero oti i theoria iperxordon apotelouse ena meros tis plirous eikonas. Kat arxas, katesti safes oti oi xordes sinistoun ena mono melos mias evreias klasis antikeimenon ta opoia mporoun na ekteinontai se perissoteres apo mia diastaseis. O Paul Townsend, o opoios einai melos tou Tmimatos Efarmosmenon Mathimatikon kai Theoritikis Fisikis tou panepistimiou tou Cambridge, kai o opoios exei simvalei simantika sti meleti afton ton antikeimenon, ta onomase "p-vranes", i "memvranes p diastaseon". Kathe p-vrani ekteinetai se p diastaseis. Epomenos, mia vrani me p=1 einai xordi, mia vrani me p=2 einai epifaneia, diladi memvrani tis kathimerinis mas empeirias, k.o.k. Den fenetai na iparxei kapoios logos gia ton opoio na protimatai i periptosi tis xordis (p=1), enanti ton allon pithanon timon tou p. Antithetos tha prepei na akoluthisoume tin arxi tis "dimokratias" ton p-vranon: oles oi p-vranes genniountai ises. Oles oi p-vranes tha mporousan na prokipsoun os liseis e3isoseon ipervarititas diatipomenon se xorous 10 i 11 diastaseon. Parolo pou oi 10 i oi 11 diastaseis den fenetai na moiazoun me to xoroxrono tis empeirias mas, i vasiki idea einai oti oi ipoloipes 6 i 7 diastaseis exoun perielixthei toso poli kai exoun ginei toso mikres oste einai adinato na tis paratirisoume. Antilamvanomaste mono tis ipoloipes 4 megales kai sxedon epipedes diastaseis.


Gnorizoume oti oi mavres tripes "aktinovoloun" somatidia emmesos. Diladi ipo tin parousia mias mavris tripas, kapoio melos enos zevgous dinamei somatidion mporei na pesei se aftin, afinontas to allo elefthero na diafigei sto apeiro. Gia kapoion paratiriti makria apo tin mavri tripa, ta diafevgonta somatidia fenontai na exoun ekpemfthei apo aftin. To fasma malista mias mavris tripas einai akrivos to idio me to fasma enos thermou somatos, kai i thermokrasia tis einai analogi tou varitikou pediou ston orizonta gegonoton tis. Me alla logia i thermokrasia mias mavris tripas e3artatai apo to megethos tis.
Mia mavri tripa me megethos merikes iliakes mazes tha eixe thermokrasia isi me ena peripou ekatomiriosto tou vathmou pano apo to apolito miden, eno mia megaliteri tha eixe akoma xamiloteri thermokrasia. Epomenos, oli i kvantiki aktinovolia tin opoia tha e3epempe mia tetoia mavri tripa tha epikaliptontan pliros apo tin aktinovolia ton 2,7 vathmon pou emeine os kataloipo tis thermis Megalis Ekri3is. I anixnefsi aktinovolias proerxomenis apo akoma mikroteres kai thermoteres mavres tripes tha itan dinati, alla den fenetai na iparxoun polles trigiro mas. Par ola afta diathetoume emmeses paratirisiakes endei3eis gia tin ipar3i tis en logo aktinovolias, kai aftes proerxontai apo to proimo simpan. Pisteyetai pos se poli proima stadiatis istorias tou, to simpan diilthe apo mia plithoristiki periodo kata tin opoia diastelotan me sinexos af3anomeno rithmo. O rithmos diastolis kat afti tin periodo tha prepei na itan toso megalos, oste orismena somata tha vrethikan se e3eretika megali apostasi apo emas gia na mporesei pote to fos tous na ftasei os edo: To simpan tha eixe diastalei se megalo vathmo kai me poli grigoro rithmo, enoso touto to fos ta3ideye pros emas. Ara tha prepei na iparxei kapoios orizontas sto simpan, opos o orizontas gegonoton mias mavris tripas, pou tha diaxorizei tin perioxi tis opoias to fos mporei na ftasei os emas apo tin perioxi tis opoias to fos adinatei na mas ftasei
Paromoia epixeirimata deixnoun pos tha prepei na iparxei thermiki aktinovolia proerxomeni apo ton en logo orizonta, akrivos opos iparxei aktinovolia apo ton orizonta mias mavris tripas. Gia tin periptosi tis thermikis aktinovolias, gnorizoume oti prepei na anamenoume ena xaraktiristiko fasma diakimanseon tis piknotitas. En prokeimeno, aytes oi diakimanseis piknotitas tha exoun epektathei mazi me to simpan. Otan i klimaka tou mikous tous egine megaliteri apo to megethos tou orizonta gegonoton, tha prepei na "pagosan", opote simera mporoume na tis paratirisoume os mikres af3omeioseis sti thermokrasia tis kosmikis aktinovolias ipovathrou i opoia exei parameinei apo tin periodo tou proimou simpantos. Paratiriseis ton af3omeioseon afton simfonoun se a3iosimeioto vathmo me tis provlepseis gia thermikes diakimanseis.
Para to gegonos oti ta paratirisiaka stoixeia gia tin aktinovolia ton mavron tripon prokiptoun se kapoio vathmo emmesa, oloi osoi exoun meletisei to sigekrimeno provlima simfonoun oti oi mavres tripes prepei na aktinovoloun gia na iparxei simfonia me alles theories tis opoies exoume elen3ei peiramatika. To gegonos afto exei simantikes epiptoseis ston nteterminismo. I aktinovolia mias mavris tripas metaferei energeia, kai afto simenei oti i mavri tripa tha xanei maza kai tha ginetai mikroteri. touto me ti seira tou simenei pos tha af3anetai i thermokrasia tis mavris tripas, opote tha af3anetai kai o rithmos ekpompis tis aktinovolias tis. Telika i maza tis mavris tripas tha midenistei. Den gnorizoume kapoion tropo gia na ipologisoume ti tha simvei se afto to stadio, omos to mono fisiko kai logiko apotelesma fainetai pos tha einai na e3afanistei entelos i mavri tripa. Ti tha simvei loipon me to tmima tis kimatosinartisis sto esoteriko tis mavris tripas kai me tin pliroforia pou periexei afto sxetika me to ti eixe pesei mesa sti mavri tripa? Mia proti skepsi einai isos oti to sigekrimeno tmima tis kimatosinartisis, kathos kai i pliroforia pou ferei, tha anadithoun otan i mavri tripa telika e3afanistei. Ostoso, i pliroforia den mporei na metaferthei dorean.
I pliroforia apaitei energeia gia ti metafora tis, kai i energeia pou exei apomeinei se mia mavri tripa kata ta telika stadia tis einai poli ligi. O monos evlogos tropos me ton opoion tha mporouse na e3elthei i pliroforia apo to esoteriko mias mavris tripas tha itan na anadietai kata tropo sinexi mazi me tin aktinovolia, adi na perimenei gi afto mexri to teliko stadio. Ostoso, simfona me tin eikona oti to ena melos apo kapoio zevgos dinamei somatidion peftei mesa sti mavri tripa kai to allo mellos diafevgei, den anamenoume oti to somatidio pou diafevgei sxetizetai me afto pou exei pesei mesa sti mavri tripa i oti metaferei sxetikes plirofories. Etsi i moni apadisi fenetai na einai pos i pliroforia pou ferei to tmima tis kimatosinartisis to opoio vriskete sto esoteriko tis mavris tripas xanetai.


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Touti i apoleia pliroforias tha eixe simantikes epiptoseis oson afora tin isxi tou nteterminismou. Kat arxas, akomi ki an gnorizame tin kimatosinartisi meta tin e3afanisi tis mavris tripas, den tha mporousame na "tre3oume" pros ta piso sto xrono tin e3isosi Schrodinger gia na ipologisoume tin kimatosinartisi pou xathike mesa sti mavri tripa. Exoume sinithisei stin idea oti mporoume na gnorizoume to parelthon epakrivos. Ostoso, touto den isxiei ean xathei pliroforia mesa se mia mavri tripa. Stin periptosi afti ta pada tha mporousan na exoun simvei. Genika, vevea, kapoioi -opos, gia paradeigma, oi astrologoi kai ekeinoi pou tous simvoulevontai- endiaferonati perissotero gia tin provlepsi tou mellontos para gia ton ek ton isteron prosdiorismo tou parelthontos. Ek protis opseos, fainetai oti i apoleia tmimatos tis kimatosinartisis mesa sti mavri tripa den tha mas empodize na provlepsoume tin kimatosinartisi sto e3oteriko tis mavris tripas. Ostoso, opos mporoume na doume meso enos noitikou peiramatos pou protathike apo tous Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky kai Nathan Rosen sti dekaetia tou 1930, i apoleia afti ontos epireazei ti sigekrimeni provlepsi.
Fadasteite oti ena radienergo atomo diaspatai kai ekpempei dio somatidia se adithetes kateythinseis kai me antitheta spin. Opoios paratirei mono to ena somatidio den mporei na provlepsei ean to spin tou somatidiou tha einai de3iostrofo i aristerostrofo. Ean omos to metrisei kai to vrei de3iostrofo, tote tha mporei na provlepsei me veveotita oti to spin tou allou somatidiou einai aristerostrofo, kai to adistrofo. O Einstein pisteye pos me to peirama afto apodikniotan o paralogismos tis kvantikis theorias: Mexri na metrithei to spin tou enos somatidiou, to deftero somatidio tha eixe ftasei stin alli akri tou gala3ia kai , entoutois, tha mporouse kaneis na mathei aftostigmi ean afto exei de3iostrofo i aristerostrofo spin. Oi perissoteroi epistimones , ostoso, simfonoune oti ekeinos pou esfale itan o Einstein kai oxi i kvantiki theoria. To noitiko peirama Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen den mas leei oti kapoios mporei na steilei pliroforia me taxitita megaliteri tou fotos. Toutos o isxirismos tha itan faidros. Afto to opoio den mporei kapoios na kanei einai na apofasizei oti to somatidio pou tha metrisei tha exei de3iostrofo spin, opote adinatei kai na prodiagrapsei oti to somatidio pou tha vlepei enas makrinos paratiritis tha exei aristerostrofo spin.
Stin pragmatikotita, to sigekrimeno noitiko peirama apodidei oti akrivos simvenei kai me tin aktinovolia mias mavris tripas. I kimatosinartisi tou zeygous ton deinami somatidion provlepei oti ta dio somatidia exoun oposdipote antitheta spin. Afto omos pou theloume einai na provleposoume to spin kai tin kimatosinartisi tou e3erxomenou somatidiou, kati to opoio tha mporousame na epitixoume an katorthoname na paratirisoume afto pou exei pesei mesa stin mavri tripa. Omos touto to somatidio vrisketai pleon mesa stin tripa, kai ekei to spin kai i kimatosinartisi tou den mporoun na metrithoun. E3etias aftou, den einai dinaton na provlepsoume to spin i tin kimatosinartisi tou diafevgontos somatidiou. To e3erxomeno somatidio mporei na exei diafora spin kai diafores kimatosinartiseis, kathemia me diaforetiki pithanotita. En pasei periptosei, den exei monadiko spin oute kai monadiki kimatosinartisi. I klasiki idea tou Laplace, oti mporoume na provlepoume toso tis theseis oso kai tis taxitites ton somatidion, eprepe na tropopoiithei otan i arxi tis aprosdioristias edei3e oti den einai dinaton na metrisoume me akriveia kai tis theseis kai tis taxitites taytoxrona. Ostoso, e3akoluthousame na mporoume na metrame tin kimatosinartisi kai na xrisimopoioume tin e3isosi Schrodinger gia na provlepsoume tin morfi tis kimatosinartisis sto mellon. Touto mas epetrepe na provlepoume me veveotita ena sindiasmo tis thesis kai tis taxititas -diladi ta misa ap oti tha mporousame na provlepsoume simfona me tis idees tou Laplace. Mporoume na provlepsoume me veveotita oti ta somatidia exoun antitheta spin. Ean omos to ena somatidio pesei mesa sti mavri tripa, kathistatai adinato na kanoume me veveotita opoiadipote provlepsi sxetika me to enapomeinon somatidio. Afto simenei oti e3o apo ti mavri tripa kamia metrisi den tha mporouse na provleftei me veveotita: i ikanotita mas na kanoume akriveis provlepseis midenizetai.
Toutos o periorismos stin isxi tou nteterminismou disarestise pollous fisikous, kai etsi protathike oti i pliroforia sxetika me to ti iparxei sto esoteriko mias mavris tripas mporei, me kapoio tropo na "apodrasei" apo afti. Epi xronia, i evresi kapoiou tropou na perisothei i en logo pliroforia den apotelouse para mono efsevi potho. To 1996, omos, oi Andrew Strominger kai Cumrun Vafa pragmatopoiisan simantiki proodo epi tou thematos. Epele3an na theorisoun oti mia mavri tripa sinistatai apo plithos domikon stoixeion pou onomazontai p-vranes.
Enas tropos na fadastoume tis p-vranes einai os epifaneies pou kinountai diamesouton ton 3 diastaseon tou xorou kai ton 7 epipleon diastaseon tis opoies den adilamvanomaste. Se orismenes periptoseis mporoume na dei3oume oti to plithos ton kimaton stis p-vranes einai to idio me tin posotita pliroforias pou tha perimename na periexei i mavri tripa. An ena somatidio proskrousei se mia p-vrani, tha prokaleisei epipleon kimata se afti. Paromoios, an kimata pou kinountai se diaforetikes diefthinseis pano se mia p-vrani siglinoun se kapoio simeio tis, mporoun na dimiourgisoun mia korifi toso megali oste ena tmima tis p-vranis na apokopei kai na diafigei os somatidio. Epomenos oi p-vranes mporoun na aporofisoun kai na ekpempsoun somatidia opos oi mavres tripes.
Tha mporouse kaneis na theorisei oti oi p-vranes apoteloun mia "energi theoria", ipo tin ennoia oti eno den xreiazetai na pistevoume pos ontos iparxoun mikres epifaneies pou kinountai diamesou enos epipedou xoroxronou, oi mavres tripes mporoun na simperiferontai san na apotelounte apo tetoies epifaneies. Kati paromoio simvenei me to nero : An kai apoteleitai apo disekatomiria disekatomirion moria H2O me periplokes meta3i tous allilepidraseis, entoutois ena omalo refsto sinista ena poli kalo energo modelo tou. To mathimatiko modelo sto opoio oi mavres tripes sinistantai apo p-vranes odigei se apotelesmata omoia me ekeina tis eikonas pou theorei zevgei dinamei somatidion, kai tin opoia perigrapsame noritera. Epomenos, ipo to prisma tou thetikismou, prokeipti gia ena e3isou kalo modelo ton mavron tripon, toulaxiston oson afora orismenes klaseis tous. Gia tis sigekrimenes klaseis, to medelo ton p-vranon provlepei akrivos ton idio rithmo ekpompis me to modelo ton zevgon ton dinamei somatidion. Ostoso iparxei mia simantiki diafora: sto modelo ton p-vranon, i pliroforia sxetika me to ti peftei mesa sti mavri tripa tha apothikeftei stin kimatosinartisi ton kimaton pou iparxoun pano stis p-vranes. Oi p-vranes theorountai os epifaneies se epipedo xoroxrono, kai gia to logo afto o xronos tha reei pros to mellon omala, oi diadromes ton aktinon fotos den tha kirtothoun kai i pliroforia pou periexetai sta kimata den tha xathei. Aditheta, i pliroforia telika tha anadithei apo ti mavri tripa mesa stin aktinovolia pou ekpempoun oi p-vranes. Sinepos, simfona me to modelo ton p-vranon, mporoume na xrisimopoiisoume tin e3isosi Schrodinger gia ton ipologismo tis morfis tis kimatosinartisis se metagenesteres stigmes. Tipote den prokeite na xathei, kai o xronos tha reei omala. O nteterminismos, ipo tin kvantiki ennoia, tha ifistatai pliros.
Telika poia apo aftes tis eikones einai i sosti? xanetai tmima tis kimatosinartisis mesa sti mavri tripa, i mipos oli i pliroforia epanemfanizetai opos proteinei to medelo ton p-vranon? Touto to erotima apotelei ena apo ta anapadita erotimata tis theoritikis fisikis simera. Polloi pisteyoun oti oi sigxrones meletes epi tou thematos katadiknioun pos i pliroforia den xanetai. O kosmos einai asfalis kai provlepsimos, kai tipote to aprosmeno den prokeite na simvei. Ostoso , touto den theoreite apolitos 3ekatharo. Ean kapoios apodextei ti geniki theoria tis sxetikotitas tou Einstein, tha prepei na dextei kai tin pithanotita oti o xoroxronos "denetai kompo" kai i pliroforia xanetai stis anadiploseis.

SIMPERASMA (gia tous anipomonous) : Oi mavres tripes mporoun na theorithoun os oi tomes p-vranon stis epipleon diastaseis tou xoroxronou. Pliroforia sxetika me tis esoterikes katastaseis ton mavron tripon tha mporouse na iparxei, etsi, apothikevmeni stis p-vranes ipo morfi kimaton.



PS : Ta parapano legomena einai to komati pou afora stis mavres tripes, mias theorias gnostis stous fisikous os M-Theory. I theoria M loipon einai ipotithetai i ipertati theoria ton padon. Den exei vevea edreothei akoma mias kai einai sto stadio tis kataskevis kai mathimatikis epalithefsis. Simfona me ti sigxroni fisiki i theoria M einai ena sinothilevma olon ton paleioteron krataion theorion opos px: Theoria xordon tipou I , theoria xordon tipou IIA , theoria xordon tipou IIB , theoria eterotikon-0 xordon , theoria eterotikon-E xordon kai 11-diastati ipervaritita. Ta modela me tis epipleon diastaseis tha prepei na lifthoun sovara ipopsin mas e3etias tis ipar3is enos plegmatos aprosdokiton sxeseon -onomazontai diismoi- meta3i ton modelon afton. Oi diismoi deixnoun stin ousia oti ta modela afta einai ousiastika isodinama, diladi sinistoun aplos diaforetikes opseis tis megaliteris theorias M. Oi sigekrimenoi diismoi mas deixnoune oti kai oi 5 theories iperxordon perigrafoun tin idia fisiki kai epipleon einai fisika isodinames me ti theoria tis ipervarititas. Apla i kathe mia apo aftes xrisimopoieitai se sigekrimeni periptosi stin opoia oi ipoloipes den mporoune na leitourgisoune.

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Katse re sy. apax kai uparxei 5h diastash, tote den paei na pei oti anhkoume se ena polusympan to opoio perilamvanei kai to diko mas. Opws to katalavainw egw, to meros tou sympantos pou anagnwrizoume vrisketai se ena "ypsometro(=diko mou onoma gia thn 5h diastash-4h einai o xronos-)"
Φαντασου να μππορουσαμε να ελεγξουμε τον χρονο κ να μπορουσαμε να πηγαινουμε μπροστα κ πισω οπως μπορουμς σε πλατος ,μηκος κ υψος...
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Dikh mou apopsh einai,opws eipa kai prin, oti ta oria tou sympantos einai ta oria ths fantasias sou. Egw polla pragmata pou eixa fantastei, opws ta dinamei swmatidia, mia mera hrthe kappoios kai mou eipe oti yparxoun.Ki an twra mia thewria sou leei oti o xronos den paei pros ta pisw h oti h megisth taxythta einai tou fwtos, einai 100% sigouro oti tha erthei mia allh thewria pou tha thn katarghsei, afou edraiwthke sta twrina dedomena pou einai elleiph. Opws eipe kai o Swkraths, "Εν Οιδα, οτι ουδεν οιδα", epomenws kamia thewria den tha einai pote epakhs afou ta dedomena pou thn sthrizoun den tha einai pote eparkh...
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Dikh mou apopsh einai,opws eipa kai prin, oti ta oria tou sympantos einai ta oria ths fantasias sou. [bold]Egw polla pragmata pou eixa fantastei, opws ta dinamei swmatidia, mia mera hrthe kappoios kai mou eipe oti yparxoun[/bold].Ki an twra mia thewria sou leei oti o xronos den paei pros ta pisw h oti h megisth taxythta einai tou fwtos, einai 100% sigouro oti tha erthei mia allh thewria pou tha thn katarghsei, afou edraiwthke sta twrina dedomena pou einai elleiph. Opws eipe kai o Swkraths, "Εν Οιδα, οτι ουδεν οιδα", epomenws kamia thewria den tha einai pote epakhs afou ta dedomena pou thn sthrizoun den tha einai pote eparkh...

Den nomizo pos i fadasia exei na kanei sto elaxisto me to simpan (ektos ki an e3eraiseis to oti gia na anakaliftoun aftes oi theories thelei anthropous me terastia antilipsi). Opos eipe kai o Einstein "o theos den paizei zaria" (Enta3ei... isos simfona me kapoies nees theoriseis tis kvantomixanikis na paizei, alla katalaveneis ti thelo na sou po ).

Ti ennoeis otan les oti fadastikes ta en dinamei somatidia kai meta vgike kapoios kai sou eipe oti iparxoun? pragmatika den katalava ti ennoeis. Thes na mou peis oti kateli3es stin ipar3i tous prin na ta anakalipsoune oi fisikoi? Thes na mou peis oti eixes kapoia sxesi me tin anapti3i tis sigxronis kvantikis mixanikis kai tis ideas tou kvantikou aithera? (xoris pare3igisi ) alla mou akougetai poli asteio etsi opos to les).

To a3ioma oti i megisti taxitita einai afti tou fotos [2,9979E8 m/(sec^2)] einai kati to opoio den xoraei amfisvitisi apo kamia fadasia. Einai GEGONOS. Opoiadipote kainouria theoria vgei pou leei otidipote se sxesi me ti fisiki prepei na sevetai dio kanones. O protos einai aftos kai o defteros einai o 2os thermodinamikos nomos. An kapoia theoria iponoei oti kati kineitai me taxitita megaliteri apo afti tou fotos tote sigoura iparxoun kai psila grammata krimena kapou pou e3igoune GIATI KAI POS DEN paraviazetai aftos o kanonas alla aplos isos na parakamptetai. Mexri stigmis iparxoune theories (px gefires Einstein-Rosen gnostes kai os skoulikotripes) oi opoies oxi mono den paraviazoune afto ton kanona otan lene emmesos gia somatidia pou kinountai me megaliteres taxitites alla vasizontai malista pano tou.

Kati akoma ... to gegonos oti o xronos DEN paei pros ta piso se ena omalo xoroxroniko sinexes exei na kanei me to deftero kanona tis thermodinamikis. To na paraviastei o 2os thermodinamikos nomos einai kati to apithano (PROSE3E... APITHANO, OXI ADINATO. Gnorizeis poia einai i diafora anamesa se afta ta dio?) kati pou to kanei akoma pio disk o lo na paraviastei apo oti an itane adinato. Den diafono oti isos mia mera kataferei o anthropos na ta3idepsei sto parelthon (an kai prosopika den to theoro pithano na ginei pote afto logo para pollon aliton provlimaton). An telika kataferei omos na ta3idepsei tote pistepse me tha to exei kanei xoris na ta3idepsei me taxitites megaliteres apo afti tou fotos, tha to exei kataferei me emmeso tropo. Ena tropo pou apla den paraviazei to #1 a3ioma olis tis sigxronis fisikis. (Parepimptontos to na ta3idepsoume sto mellon einai allounou papa evagelio ) einai kati to apolitos dinato oson afora ti sigxroni fisiki, se adithesi me to parelthon. Apla einai thema xronou na spasoume ta fragmata pou mas periorizoun sti mixaniki diastimoploion kai na to kataferoume).

Oson afora ta dedomena pou les oti einai elleipi pistepse me oti OLO afto to kataskevasma vasistike pio poli se noitiki douleia para se peiramatika dedomena.
Ontos ta peiramatika dedomena einai elleipi ... pada itan. Mia kali theoria simera einai afti pou katafernei na e3igei ena oso pio megalo fasma provlimaton mporei efoson pada den paraviazei tous dio kanones pou sou eipa pio pano. Kati to opoio i M-Theory katafernei na to kanei para poli kala kai sigxronos na mas anoi3ei ta matia se gegonota kai provlimata pou oute kan gnorizame pos iparxoun.

En katakleidi, to simpan einai apolitos orismeno apo fisikous nomous kai pera apo kathe fadasia. To mono pou menei na kanoume emeis einai na anakalipsoume aftous tous nomous pou to diepoun oste na mporesoume na to katalavoume.

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Kala bre si zerotronic iremise popo oute k0lodaxtilo na sou ebazan.

To 8ema einai oti wraies einai oles autes oi garnitoures pou les kai einai arketa xrisimes se pollous (emena gia na me koimisoun, nistaksa) alla praktika exei allaksei tipota sti zwi mas ?? Oso perissotero kai kala ekselisete o kosmos opws to 8ewreis esi anakaliptwntas diladi ta "megala" krimena mistika toso perissotero diapistwnei oti stin ousia den kserei apolitos tipota.

Sti zwi sou koita kai pesmou an pragmatika iparxei kati sto kosmo auto pou exei dimiourgisei o an8rwpos pou mporeis apo auto na antliseis empistosini kai asfaleia gia auto pou eisai, gia auta pou einai na er8oun. To mono pragma pou dothike ston an8rwpo, dioti do8ike den anakaliftike, einai i 8riskeia kai kanei thn diafora dioti proipo8etei thn pisth kai pisth einai to monadiko efodio pou exei dw8ei ston an8rwpo apo genisimiou tou. Xanontas thn pisth xaneis siga siga kai thn elpida ekfilizontas etsi auto pou eisai kleinontas oristika thn porta gia auto pou ftiaxtikes na gineis.

Gia na min bgw poli ektos ths koubentas tou nhmatos auto tha pw apla oti wraies einai oi garnitoures kai ta stolidia klp alla ousia MHDEN.
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Kala bre si zerotronic iremise popo oute k0lodaxtilo na sou ebazan.

To 8ema einai oti wraies einai oles autes oi garnitoures pou les kai einai arketa xrisimes se pollous (emena gia na me koimisoun, nistaksa) alla praktika exei allaksei tipota sti zwi mas ?? Oso perissotero kai kala ekselisete o kosmos opws to 8ewreis esi anakaliptwntas diladi ta "megala" krimena mistika toso perissotero diapistwnei oti stin ousia den kserei apolitos tipota.

Sti zwi sou koita kai pesmou an pragmatika iparxei kati sto kosmo auto pou exei dimiourgisei o an8rwpos pou mporeis apo auto na antliseis empistosini kai asfaleia gia auto pou eisai, gia auta pou einai na er8oun. To mono pragma pou dothike ston an8rwpo, dioti do8ike den anakaliftike, einai i 8riskeia kai kanei thn diafora dioti proipo8etei thn pisth kai pisth einai to monadiko efodio pou exei dw8ei ston an8rwpo apo genisimiou tou. Xanontas thn pisth xaneis siga siga kai thn elpida ekfilizontas etsi auto pou eisai kleinontas oristika thn porta gia auto pou ftiaxtikes na gineis.

Gia na min bgw poli ektos ths koubentas tou nhmatos auto tha pw apla oti wraies einai oi garnitoures kai ta stolidia klp alla ousia MHDEN.

Katarxin den exo ekneyristei me kati gia na iremiso... to "oute kolodaxtilo na sou evazan" einai apolitos perito sizitisi kanoume m8 kai den nomizo pos o tonos mou parapano itane eristikos. O nashrudin ekane ena reply ki ego tou apadisa tin apopsi mou. tpt perissotero tpt ligotero.

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nai tha elega oti pisteyo pos praktika exoun alla3ei ta PADA. Xari se aftes tis garnitoures kai akoma perissoteres exei kataferei o anthropos na epiviosei kai na erthei os edo pou einia simera. p.x. Kapote poli prin apo ola afta o mesos oros zois tou anthropou itan giro sta 40 me 45 xronia (kai polla sou leo mi sou po). Otan eftanes sta 40 sou se theorousane geronta. Giati? epeidi den ipirxan oi katalliles garnitoures (i epistimi an protimas...) oste na veltiosoune to epipedo zois. Xari stin epistimi katafere o anthropos na nikisei pathiseis kai arrosties opos i lepra, i xolera kai i evlogia. Xari stin epistimi katafere o anthropos na anakalipsei ton ilektrismo, oti i gi kineitai, ton kinitira esoterikis kaysis, tin penikilini, akoma kai to teflon sta tigania i epistimi to anakalipse. Oles oi mikres leptomereies tou kosmou ston opoio kalos i kakos zoume simera ofeilontai stin epistimi (se opoiadipote morfi ki an einai afti).

Den pisteyo pos oso perissotero e3elisetai o kosmos toso perissotero diapistwnei oti stin ousia den kserei apolitos tipota. Afti einai mia mallon pessimistiki antimetopisi tis zois. Ego prosopika tha elega oti to simpan einai toso megalo kai oi nomoi pou to diepoun toso poliplokoi pou o anthropos oso kai na prospathei pote den tha kataferei na to mathei olo. Afti einai mia douleia gia to theo. O anthropos tha prepei na arkestei sto na anakaliptei mikra kommatakia kai na kanei ena ena ta mikra vimata kathe fora.

To mono prama pou dothike ston anthropo file mou den einai i thriskeia...
ston anthropo do3a to theo dotheikan paaaaara polla pramata alla to simantikotero gia mena einai i sinidisi tou eaftou sou (self-consciousness i an protimas self-awareness), to na 3ereis ti eisai (dld anthropos) einai afto pou se 3exorizei apo ta zoa kai se kanei na pisteyeis pos iparxei kati anotero apo sena pou onomazeis theos. Afto itan isos to megalitero doro tou theou ston anthropo.

I pisti opos les kai esi einai poli simantiko prama gia enan anthropo. To thema einai pou vazeis afti tin pisti. Se ti pisteyeis me alla logia. Ego prosopika pisteyo sto theo, alla kati tetoio den me kanei na amfisvito tin epistimi. Dioti thelo na pisteyo pos den exo ipopesei sto tragiko lathos tou na theoriso pos thriskeia kai epistimi einai dio pramata antitheta. Isa isa kata ti gnomi mou einai simpliromatika. I epistimi einai edo gia na sou apadisei sto POS eno i thriskeia einai edo gia na sou apadisei sto GIATI.

Telos padon gia na min ta polilogo ... pote den imouna anthropos tis filosofias (apla den tin katalaveno. Vlepeis i filosofia einai afti pou prokalei nista se emena ) kai oli afti i sizitisei teinei na e3elixtei se filosofiki. To noima edo einai pos einai polla ta epiteygmata tis anthropinis noimosinis apo ta opoia ego prosipika mporo na antliso empistosini kai asfaleia. Kai mono to gegonos oti o anthropos san on einai ikanos gia tetoia dianoitiki e3eli3i me gemizei elpida kai asfaleia kai ena terastio aisthima empistosinis pos telika isos na min katastrafoun ola apo tis kiniseis enos paranoikou me mia atomiki vomva sta xeria tou. Isos stin teliki i anthropini noimosini na einai arketa isxiri gia na prostateytei apo ton eafto tis (opos mas exei dida3ei i istoria).

Oson afora telos ton epilogo sou, to "ousia miden" distixos lipamai pou to akouo. Opos eipa kai pio prin ola afta pou leo sto proigoumeno post mou einai to texniko komati apo aftes tis "garnitoures" (i koinos epistimi). An theoreis pos den exei ousia kati to opoio anevase to poiotiko epipedo tis zois sou tote pragmatika lipamai pou to akouo.

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Katarxin den exo ekneyristei me kati gia na iremiso... to "oute kolodaxtilo na sou evazan" einai apolitos perito sizitisi kanoume m8 kai den nomizo pos o tonos mou parapano itane eristikos. O nashrudin ekane ena reply ki ego tou apadisa tin apopsi mou. tpt perissotero tpt ligotero.
Loipon "oute k0lodaxtilo na sou ebazan" to eipa opws fantazomai katalabes xaritologontas entelws, wste na riksw ligo tous tonous, tous opious sini8izei na apoktaei kapoios otan anebainei se opiadipote edra kai arxizei to poli thewritiko mplampla k den ennoousa ki egw tpt perissotero tpt ligotero apo auto ;D

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nai tha elega oti pisteyo pos praktika exoun alla3ei ta PADA. Xari se aftes tis garnitoures kai akoma perissoteres exei kataferei o anthropos na epiviosei kai na erthei os edo pou einia simera. p.x. Kapote poli prin apo ola afta o mesos oros zois tou anthropou itan giro sta 40 me 45 xronia (kai polla sou leo mi sou po). Otan eftanes sta 40 sou se theorousane geronta. Giati? epeidi den ipirxan oi katalliles garnitoures (i epistimi an protimas...) oste na veltiosoune to epipedo zois.
l0l loipon panw se auto o an8rwpos metallasete swmatika k den 8ewreite auto panta "ekseliksi" (opw simbenei kai se ola ta eidh gonidiaka mesa apo sinexomenes diastaurwseis), 8elontas h mh(sini8ws tixaia), wste na kataferei na epibiwsei mesa sta perata tou xronou apo tis sinexos metalasomenes sin8ikes tou periballontos tou. Oson afora ta sigkekrimena ilikiaka oria pou anafereis isxian kai mexri to 1960 peripou opou eblepes kai se efimerides na grafoun px xtipi8ike apo autokinito gerontas 40 xronwn klp. Auto den exei na kanei me kamia an8rwpini epembasi alla me thn diadoxikh swmatiki prosarmogh tou an8rwpou sto periballon tou (kourazete ligotero, douleuei ligotero, anisixei ligotero kai ola auta mporei na ta kanei xwris kan na sikw8ei apo to kanape).
Mh mou peis oti to poli junk food "h" ta mac donalds odigisan se auth thn ekseliksh ;D

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Xari stin epistimi katafere o anthropos na nikisei pathiseis kai arrosties opos i lepra, i xolera kai i evlogia. Xari stin epistimi katafere o anthropos na anakalipsei ton ilektrismo, oti i gi kineitai, ton kinitira esoterikis kaysis, tin penikilini, akoma kai to teflon sta tigania i epistimi to anakalipse. Oles oi mikres leptomereies tou kosmou ston opoio kalos i kakos zoume simera ofeilontai stin epistimi (se opoiadipote morfi ki an einai afti).
H paratirisi odigise se auta pou anafereis pou einai mia apo tis arxes ths epistimis alla auto den exei na kanei me anakalipsh dikia tou (an8rwpini efeuresh) alla emesws xrisimopoiwntas sta perissotera oti exei dw8ei apo thn idia th fysh. Polloi alloi laoi arxaioteroi akoma xrisimopoiousan ta idia pragmata me diaforetikes onomasies (farmakeutikes agwges) den einai loipon "kainourgies" 8erapies aytes, apla agnwstes sto tote kosmo kai stin an8rwpokentriki logiki tou. Akoma kai sta tigania pou anafereis mporeis na sinantiseis skeuh palaiotera pou akoma kai shmera einai thaumasta.

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Den pisteyo pos oso perissotero e3elisetai o kosmos toso perissotero diapistwnei oti stin ousia den kserei apolitos tipota. Afti einai mia mallon pessimistiki antimetopisi tis zois. Ego prosopika tha elega oti to simpan einai toso megalo kai oi nomoi pou to diepoun toso poliplokoi pou o anthropos oso kai na prospathei pote den tha kataferei na to mathei olo. Afti einai mia douleia gia to theo. O anthropos tha prepei na arkestei sto na anakaliptei mikra kommatakia kai na kanei ena ena ta mikra vimata kathe fora.
O kosmos me th morfh pou exei simera den tha kataferei pote na kanei ena oloklirwmeno bima mprosta. Dioti san ena geriko plasma prospa8ei na treksei kanontas merika mikra bimatakia mprosta alla gia ka8e fora, gia ka8e mikro vimataki pou kanei ton perimenei panta h pikrh pragmatikotita ths fyshs mas, opou ton ak0lou8ei apo pisw san iparksiaki zigaria prolabainontas ton ka8e fora wste na isoba8mizei etsi thn mataiodoksia tou, anagkazontas ton na kanei alla 2 bimata pisw. H pseudais8isi pou exeis auth pigazei apo thn elpida akribws auti pou perigrafeis gia to agnwsto. Mia elpida pou exei thn phgh ths sthn pisth, sthn pisth pou edreuei mesa se auth thn anagkh pou ka8isixazei i 8riskeia, gia na broume thn 8esh mas epitelous mesa sto twra.
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