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Feanaro
11-29-2008, 03:26 AM
Copy paste apo thread sto pou petuxa sto forums.gr

Το τραπεζικό σύστημα για αρχάριους. http://www.kepik.gr/?p=805 (http://www.kepik.gr/?p=805)
βιντεο:http://vimeo.com/2351801 (http://vimeo.com/2351801)

PRAGMATIKA AKSIZEI NA DEITE TO BINTEO

Mporw na pw oti allakse ton tropo pou antilambanomai to susthma kai mou eluse polles apories.

pyro*
11-29-2008, 09:02 AM
apoti eida kapoia stigmh leei gia kapoia trapeza pou dhmiourgei psifiaka xrhmata gia ta daneia.. full of bull. Mono oi kentrikes trapezes mporoun na typwsoun xrhmata kai den synalasontai me idiwtes. Daneizoun se alles trapezes.

einai afto pou leei sta epitokia ws vasiko epitokio h' epitokio kentrikis trapezas.

tha to dw olo allh wra, thanks tho

MyTHoS_
11-29-2008, 11:28 AM
to eida prin ligo kairo to videaki
kalo htan ;)
de nomizw oti leei pws opoiadhpote trapeza mporei na typwsei xrhma

pyro*
11-29-2008, 05:05 PM
to eida prin ligo kairo to videaki
kalo htan ;)
de nomizw oti leei pws opoiadhpote trapeza mporei na typwsei xrhma

peripou sto 14'
Leei oti anoigei mia trapeza pou den exei katathetes, kai paei kapoios na parei daneio, kai etsi apla dhmiourgei 10,000 dollaria.

rite :p

DrMad
11-29-2008, 05:15 PM
peripou sto 14'
Leei oti anoigei mia trapeza pou den exei katathetes, kai paei kapoios na parei daneio, kai etsi apla dhmiourgei 10,000 dollaria.

rite :p
leei pws arxika exei 1111.12dolaria stin dia8esh tis h kati tetio.

pyro*
11-29-2008, 06:33 PM
leei pws arxika exei 1111.12dolaria stin dia8esh tis h kati tetio.


....kai epeidh de ftanoun ta alla ta dhmiourgei.

blade1980vol
11-29-2008, 06:55 PM
....kai epeidh de ftanoun ta alla ta dhmiourgei.
...pshfiaka ara ftiaxnei pistwtikes pou aytes einai daneio apo thn kentrikh trapeza pou ean esy den exeis na thn plhrwseis tha ginei ayto egine

Voodoo
11-29-2008, 07:33 PM
8elw k egw daneio apo tin kentriki trapeza ^_^

Napoleone
11-29-2008, 08:22 PM
Kala ayto htan gnwsto...kata kapoion tropo. Alla kai pali i kentriki trapeza de mporei na typwnei aythereta osa xrhmata thelei....giati tote kathe kratos sto kosmo tha htan plousio. Egw vasika iksera oti i kentriki trapeza mporei na typwsei xrhmata pou einai isodynama me to "thisavro" tis, ara kai ton thisavro tou kratous (oryktos ploutos, ektaseis, agalmata, kosmimata...ktlp).

Ws ena shmeio einai alithia osa leei...alla de nomizw oti einai ola :S

Voodoo
11-29-2008, 08:44 PM
auto me ton plouto tis xwras pote den to katalaba. mou fainetai poly ilithio k dn mporw na katalabw pws leitourgei stin "praksi". dn 8a para8esw oles tis ilithies erwtiseis pou exw, alla wtf skeftontousan?:x

MyTHoS_
11-29-2008, 10:12 PM
....kai epeidh de ftanoun ta alla ta dhmiourgei.
den leei akrivws afto..Leei oti ta lefta pou danizei h trapeza meta apo kapoio shmeio einai ta lefta pou exoun danistei oi alloi + tokos..Oti p.x an oloi kseplhrwnan ksafnika mia mera ta daneia tous kai travousan kai ola ta lefta h trapeza 8a emene tapi..
Kapws etsi 8ymamai oti to eixa katalavei egw
mporei na to ksanadw

Teardrope
11-29-2008, 11:23 PM
Kala ayto htan gnwsto...kata kapoion tropo. Alla kai pali i kentriki trapeza de mporei na typwnei aythereta osa xrhmata thelei....giati tote kathe kratos sto kosmo tha htan plousio. Egw vasika iksera oti i kentriki trapeza mporei na typwsei xrhmata pou einai isodynama me to "thisavro" tis, ara kai ton thisavro tou kratous (oryktos ploutos, ektaseis, agalmata, kosmimata...ktlp).

Ws ena shmeio einai alithia osa leei...alla de nomizw oti einai ola :S

oxi re mono gia to xruso isxuei auto hahah
arxes oikonomias 1hs lukeiou :P

gt opws elege kai o kathigiths mou : an mia mera oloi oi ellhnes ksupnisoun k pane oloi sthn kentrikh trapeza kai sugkentrwsoun ola ta xrhmata ths xwras gia na ta dwsoun sthn trapeza tha prepei na exei to analogo poso xrusou na tous dwsei.

Voodoo
11-29-2008, 11:27 PM
nai k egw gia xryso kserw. oxi idioktisies k agalmata :O
den mporw na katalabw pws ksekinise olo auto omws >.<
ti mia mera ksypnisan k arxisan na pigainoun xryso stin trapeza? kai an to edafos mias xwras exei perissotero xryso? adikia dn einai? :X

pyro*
11-29-2008, 11:36 PM
Oso adikia htan kapote na ftiaxnete mia polh dipla se potami apenanti se mia se mainland :x

Voodoo
11-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Oso adikia htan kapote na ftiaxnete mia polh dipla se potami apenanti se mia se mainland :x
I live by the river 8)

Teardrope
11-29-2008, 11:58 PM
h zwh einai adikh pws na to kanoume.

Voodoo
11-30-2008, 12:03 AM
poutana zwi kai karioles gynaikes.

blade1980vol
11-30-2008, 01:11 AM
den leei akrivws afto..Leei oti ta lefta pou danizei h trapeza meta apo kapoio shmeio einai ta lefta pou exoun danistei oi alloi + tokos..Oti p.x an oloi kseplhrwnan ksafnika mia mera ta daneia tous kai travousan kai ola ta lefta h trapeza 8a emene tapi..
Kapws etsi 8ymamai oti to eixa katalavei egw
mporei na to ksanadw
vasika h kathe trapeza px eurobank(h pio eletherh se themata daneiwn..)
edine lefta kai shmeio pou ta psifiaka ths lefta aka pistwtikes eftasan to apothema xrysou pou kateixe me apotelesma apo tous 10.000 pou edwse daneia oi 8.000 na mhn eixan na dwsoun kai etsi h fouska eskase h trapeza katereyse mazi me thn trapeza epese kai to xrhmathstirio kai eimaste se ayth thn thesi twra
(vasika to olo thema den einai oikonomiko oute texniko oute eidiko einai apla psyxologiko giati o metoxos vlepei ti ginetai kai arxizei na reystopoihei nomizwntas oti ta pragmatika lefta pou tha exei tha aksizoun an omws ftasoume sto shmeio na reystopoihsoun panw apo to 50% tote ta lefta den tha exei kamia aksia para mono san koloxarta )

blade1980vol
11-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Kala ayto htan gnwsto...kata kapoion tropo. Alla kai pali i kentriki trapeza de mporei na typwnei aythereta osa xrhmata thelei....giati tote kathe kratos sto kosmo tha htan plousio. Egw vasika iksera oti i kentriki trapeza mporei na typwsei xrhmata pou einai isodynama me to "thisavro" tis, ara kai ton thisavro tou kratous (oryktos ploutos, ektaseis, agalmata, kosmimata...ktlp).

Ws ena shmeio einai alithia osa leei...alla de nomizw oti einai ola :S
thimase palia pou elega oti h oikonomia ths amerikhs zei apo thn iapwnia?
pou ektypwnei dollaria parapanw apo ton xryso pou exoun kai oi dyo xwres?

pyro*
11-30-2008, 01:35 AM
Analysh ths krisis after the break, sto metaksy epeksergastite oti ta panta vasizontai sto ethniko akatharisto proion, (GDP), kai to oti to theoritiko apexei arketa apo to pragmatiko. Analytiko kai vareto post after my light night out (Y)

pyro*
11-30-2008, 05:01 AM
Loipooooon. Kanonika afto pairnei wres analyshs alla ntaksei tha ta poume apla.

To vasiko stoixeio pou prepei na exoume ypopsin einai oti o monadikos organismos pou mporei na dhmiourgisei xrhmata apo to tipota einai h kentrikh trapeza.

H kentriki trapeza loipon dhmiourgei lefta, me vash to akatharisto ethniko proion. Afto metrietai me 2 tropous. O enas einai to poso einai to eisodhma olwn mazi, h poso einai ta eksoda tous, pou ypothetika mas vgazoun to idio noumero (praktika oxi). Ta eksoda mias etairias dhladh einai to eisodhma gia kapoies alles, anyway.

Afta ta lefta ta dinei ws daneia stis trapezes (alpha, eurobank, ktl), oi opoies kat'epektash ta daneizoun se idiotes kai epixeirhseis. Afta xrhsimopoiountai eite gia katanalwsh eite gia ependysh. Meta, apo ta kerdh, epistrefoun stis trapezes kai sth synexeia sthn kentrikh.

As poume twra pws kapoios ektos ths oikonomias erxetai sthn xwra mas kai agorazei kati me 100 evrw. Afta ta 100 evrw einai epiprostheta sto eisodhma kapoiou. Otan aftos ta ependysei h ta ksodepsei allou, kataxorountai ws ayksish kai sto eisodhma tou epomenou paralhpth. An valoume mesa to saving, paradeigma 10%, afto paei na pei pws ta idia xrhmata exoune enan pollaplasiasth sthn kataxwrhsh tous ws eisodhma. Afto paei na pei pws to EAP afksanetai dysanaloga me ta pragmatika xrhmata diathesima sth xwra. Ayto eksisoropeitai en merh apo tis eisagwges, pou sthn ousia einai diwksimo xrhmatwn pros ta eksw.

Me thn anaptyksh tou EAP, erxetai kai h ayksish twn timwn, alla epeidh opws eipame den antistoixei se pragmatika xrhmata, to "kalathi ths noikokyras" (ena sygkekrimeno synolo agathwn pou mporeis na agoraseis me 100e px) olo kai mikrainei, ayksanontas th zhthsh gia xrhmata alla kai thn apotamieysh. Ayto paei na pei pws h trapeza prepei na vgalei k alla lefta, ta opoia tha daneistei apo allh trapeza h apo thn kentrikh. Otan omws logw tou idiou provlimatos den yparxei reysto, tote arxizoune kai meionontai ta daneia.

Otan meionontai ta daneia, paei na pei pws oi etairies den exoun reystotita, ara prepei na apolysoun kosmo h na meiwsoun thn paragwgh, h kai ta dyo. Otan o kosmos apolyetai, meionontai ta noikokyria me eisodhma gia ksodema, ara oi agores, kai ksanaxtypaei thn paragwgh san kyklos.

An ayto den stamatisei, odevoume siga siga se great depression, kati pou apofygame me tis "eneseis" refstou apo diafores trapezes kai kyverniseis ana ton kosmo.

Elpizw na sas dinei mia idea gia to pou syndeetai h "pseftikh" me thn pragmatikh oikonomia..

paizoun polla akoma alla den psinomai na grapsw k allo :X

The best thing you can do to help in a crisis is spend as much as possible. ;p

Feanaro
11-30-2008, 07:12 AM
Den leei pouthena oti h kathe trapeza tupwnei lefta. Aplws ousiastika ta dhmiourgei ap' th stigmh pou katagrafetai to poso apo to daneio ston logariasmo sou.

Mikres leptomereies mporei ontws na diaferoun apo xwra se xwra, dedomenou oti to binteo estiazei stis HPA, to thema einai an isxuei h ousia, kai gia na eimai eilikrinhs mou fainetai logikotato mexri stigmhs.
Den to exw psaksei idiaitera, alla koitaksa to binteo me polu prosoxh, stamatwntas kathe ligo kai ligaki gia na mhn xanw to nohma. Den uparxei oute mia antifash, kai ta perissotera sumperenontai logika me bash ta arxika stoixeia pou parathetei kai ta opoia einai gnwsta apo istorikhs apopshs

Opws epishs einai gnwsto oti to xrhma pleon DEN paragetai me bash to xruso, auto nomizw den einai kati to opoio krubetai.

Kai se telikh analush h ousia den einai kan an tupwnetai to xrhma etsi h diaforetika, an kathe trapeza exei thn dunatothta na danizei polu perissotera xrhmata apo auta pou exei (to opoio einai sigouro) kai ta opoia upoxreousai na plhrwseis, akomh kai na mhn isxue auto pou leei to binteo, kai pali ousiastika dhmiourgei neo xrhma.

peripou sto 14'
Leei oti anoigei mia trapeza pou den exei katathetes, kai paei kapoios na parei daneio, kai etsi apla dhmiourgei 10,000 dollaria.

rite :p

Pou akribws diafwneis me auto, epi ths ousias?
Btw, leei oti exoun katathesei oi ependutes apothema 1111,12 dolaria kanonikou apothematos xrhmatos se metrhta sthn kentrikh trapeza kai h apitoumenh analogia apothematos einai 9:1. Kanei panta mia upothesh gia na to kanei katanohto. H analogia leei pws einai se polles periptwseis diaforetikh.
An thes ksanarikse mia matia se olo auto shmeio me to paradeigma, tha deis oti einai polu logiko.


Edit:
loipon to binteo leei kata gramma:
"η ιδιωτικά κατασκευασμένη τραπεζική πίστωση μετατρέπεται νόμιμα σε κρατικό νόμισμα, τα δολάρια, τα ευρώ και τις στερλίνες που από συνήθεια σκεφτόμαστε ως χρήμα
....
Σήμερα, τα αποθεματικά των τραπεζών αποτελούνται από δύο πράγματα: την ποσότητα χρήματος, σε μορφή μετρητών, που έχουν εκδοθεί από την κυβέρνηση και η τράπεζα έχει καταθέσει στην κεντρική τράπεζα, συν την ποσότητα του υπάρχοντος χρεωστικού χρήματος που υπάρχει στις τράπεζες ως καταθέσεις."

Milaei gia trapezikh pistwsh (apo tis trapezes) h opoia metatrepetai ustera se xrhma, de leei oti to tupwnoun oi trapezes, alla ti shmasia exei h tupwsh, shmasia exei h praksh ths pistwshs, auth einai ousiastika neo xrhma. As mhn paizoume me tis lekseis.
Kai oi katatheseis xrhmata einai.

Epishs deite kai auto: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/add_greek.htm
Nomizw oti dieukrinizei ligo kalutera to shmeio gia to opoio milame, alla einai kai genika polu kalo, an kai genika den ekshgei me tosh leptomereia to pws akribws leitourgei to xrhmatiko susthma, kanei wstoso polles epipleon proektaseis.

pyro*
11-30-2008, 03:34 PM
Otan lew typwnei ennow dhmiourgei, asxetws an einai se xarti h psifiaka... tespa opws eipa den to eida olo opote den eimai kai poly sigouros anyways :p

Teardrope
11-30-2008, 03:41 PM
Otan lew typwnei ennow dhmiourgei, asxetws an einai se xarti h psifiaka... tespa opws eipa den to eida olo opote den eimai kai poly sigouros anyways :p


na ton akoute ton pyro* sto d-ree tous ta mathainoun kala!

Voodoo
11-30-2008, 06:04 PM
pyro tpt apo iatriki gnwrizoume? filosofia? eisai poly enoxlitikos re paidi m :@

ps.: pali kala pou ekanes k to post k epiasa ta basika. bebaia se exasa kaaaaapou sta misa :/

crazycow
11-30-2008, 06:47 PM
den 3erw ti lete, oi trapezes exoun san skopo tin kerdoforia alla to mono pou pidaei ton meso politi (kai meta gamiete h oikonomia ntomino) einai to ellima egkefalou pou autos exei.

star titloi "TRAPEZIKI KRISI"
mio8ikan kata 75% ta katanalotika daneia kai 85% ta diakopodaneia!

WTF ??? OMOS WTF?????
daneio gia diakopes? nice
daneio gia na "katanaloseis"? nice

an edw stin ellada ta vriskoun skoura , stin ameriki ta amerikanakia pou einai gnosto oti mualo DEN, pws 8a ta vroune??? easy , den kai pali :P

giati an o allos den exei fragka , den katanalonei, pou simenei oti den apoferei kerdi stin eteria pou exei danistei apo tin trapeza ktlp.
pou ola me tin sira tous dixnoun ena pragma.

oti apla one more time, oi upiretes ton sustimaton pidi3an ton "meso" ergazomeno parapanw apo oso eprepe kai kurios oi trapezes. giati oi an8ropoi einai zwa.

kai meta einai 8ema alusidas... giati px , o allos me tin kompina me to petreleo den 8a parei megalo amaxi, giati px otan 8a tou paroun to spiti epidei den mporei na plirosei daneio den 8a parei ama3i ka8olou, meta psofaei i GM, oi ergazomenoi menoun anergoi, prokaloun miosi tou emporiou stin perioxi, o mpakalis den exei leuta kai varaei dialisi, den mporei na apoplirosei to daneio tou ktlp ktlp ktlp.

o kapitalismos vasizete stin ekmetaleusi tis ergasias, me kurio "oplo" to kefalaio. apla to parakanane kai twra 8a paroune ta @@ mas :D

Voodoo
11-30-2008, 07:20 PM
dn katalabainw ti lete. egw na min bgalw pistwtiki omws e ? :p

crazycow
11-30-2008, 07:35 PM
dn katalabainw ti lete. egw na min bgalw pistwtiki omws e ? :p

oxi , vgale xreostiki pou na antistixei se kapion logarismo. i pistotiki einai gia "pistosi" me liga logia na sou dinoun leuta otan den exeis me liga logia na pigenei meion.
epikindini kai axristi imho, sto mono pou 8a se odigisei einai se kakodiaxirisi!

Lycanthroat_
12-01-2008, 01:43 AM
oxi , vgale xreostiki pou na antistixei se kapion logarismo. i pistotiki einai gia "pistosi" me liga logia na sou dinoun leuta otan den exeis me liga logia na pigenei meion.
epikindini kai axristi imho, sto mono pou 8a se odigisei einai se kakodiaxirisi!

dn einai logikh auth.
mh vgaleis k amaxi gt mporei na trakareis.
h pistwtikh einai ena polu kalo ergaleio otan xereis na th diaxeirhsteis.
etc k alliws vooz dn tha xeis megalo orio atm opote dont worry.

crazycow
12-01-2008, 03:52 AM
dn einai logikh auth.
mh vgaleis k amaxi gt mporei na trakareis.
h pistwtikh einai ena polu kalo ergaleio otan xereis na th diaxeirhsteis.
etc k alliws vooz dn tha xeis megalo orio atm opote dont worry.

agori mou, einai logiki kai einai i diki mou logiki, kai tixenei na exw sunta3iouxous trapezikous patera - 8eia
kai en energia mana - 8eio
kai na akouw gia trapezika 8emata 8elontas kai mi.

an sou periseuoun xrimata apo ton minieo programatismo sou den uparxei logos na exeis pistosi, apla ta afineis ston logariasmo kai exeis leuta otan xreiazese.
an den sou periseuoun pali den uparxei logos. giati tin pistosi pou 8a pareis meta 8a exeis provlima na tin apopliroseis kai i trapeza 8a armegei ton toko ka8e mina kai esu 8a plironeis gamisiatika tsampa.

kai milame gia "liga" xrimata eos 2k nomizw einai oi aples pistotikes?
gia parapanw pername se daneia pou einai alli suzitisi.
to asteio ma tragiko einai oti uparxoune atoma pou pernoun daneia gia na 3oflisoun ta xrei apo tis pistotikes kartes ... ffs.

stin teliki an to doume pio anixta, ka8e trapeziko proion einai ftiagmeno me gnomona to kerdos tis trapezas, pou simenei oti prepei na apofeugete i xrisi tou ektos kai an einai aparetito (px stegastika daneia).
apla den to vlepei o kosmos (giati einai malakes 100%)...
diakopodaneio? eortodaneio? katanalotiko? nai sigoura.

en meri sumfono mazi sou oti mporei na einai xrisimi se orismenes periptoseis, alla DEN 8a protina se KANENAN kai GIA KANENAN LOGO na vgalei pistotiki karta, giati stin teliki esu mporei na eisai ok alla o allos mporei na einai malakas (den anaferome stin voodoo min exoume pare3igiseis) kai na min mporei na diaxiristei ta leuta tou.

Voodoo
12-01-2008, 07:46 AM
oxi , vgale xreostiki pou na antistixei se kapion logarismo. i pistotiki einai gia "pistosi" me liga logia na sou dinoun leuta otan den exeis me liga logia na pigenei meion.
epikindini kai axristi imho, sto mono pou 8a se odigisei einai se kakodiaxirisi!
pistwtiki zitisa ti na tin kanw tin xrewstiki? :?

crazycow
12-01-2008, 02:40 PM
pistwtiki zitisa ti na tin kanw tin xrewstiki? :?

kala 8a me trelaneis... to idio pragma einai me tin diafora oti i mia den paei mion... diladi ti 8a ekanes me tin pistotiki pou den mporeis na kaneis me tin xreostiki?

DanTe69
12-01-2008, 02:55 PM
kala 8a me trelaneis... to idio pragma einai me tin diafora oti i mia den paei mion... diladi ti 8a ekanes me tin pistotiki pou den mporeis na kaneis me tin xreostiki?

na parei kati me doseis.

Lycanthroat_
12-01-2008, 03:50 PM
en meri sumfono mazi sou oti mporei na einai xrisimi se orismenes periptoseis, alla DEN 8a protina se KANENAN kai GIA KANENAN LOGO na vgalei pistotiki karta, giati stin teliki esu mporei na eisai ok alla o allos mporei na einai malakas (den anaferome stin voodoo min exoume pare3igiseis) kai na min mporei na diaxiristei ta leuta tou.


paradeigma
dn exw plhrwthei k vriskw ena gamato item sto ebay p lhgei se 2 wres.
gia na to parw exontas xrewstikh tha prepei na paw sth trapeza(an einai vradu?)na valw lefta k meta na steilw mail ston seller na dw an dexete xrewstikes k meta na kanw bid.kourasthka k mono sthn idea omws....
epishs paizoun k alla pragmatakia me cc opws sundromh sto rapidshare.
gi auta xrhsimevoun oi ccs.oxi gia agores.gia agores exeis metrhta mono k panta.alla sto internet vohthaei para ma para polu.

Voodoo
12-01-2008, 04:40 PM
paradeigma
dn exw plhrwthei k vriskw ena gamato item sto ebay p lhgei se 2 wres.
gia na to parw exontas xrewstikh tha prepei na paw sth trapeza(an einai vradu?)na valw lefta k meta na steilw mail ston seller na dw an dexete xrewstikes k meta na kanw bid.kourasthka k mono sthn idea omws....
epishs paizoun k alla pragmatakia me cc opws sundromh sto rapidshare.
gi auta xrhsimevoun oi ccs.oxi gia agores.gia agores exeis metrhta mono k panta.alla sto internet vohthaei para ma para polu.
basika to paypal dexetai xrewstikes (visa), opote den rwtas tipota ton seller. Sto ebay exeis 7 meres orio na plirwseis, opote bazeis lefta tin epomeni. Ektos an zitaei amesi plirwmi - spanio.

ps.: otan kaneis kata8esi pernei 1 mera na ginoun dia8esima ta lefta. Episis an einai brady pas sto atm? wtf? An k iparxoun merika me amesi kata8esi ;x
tespa lyca mallon dn exeis idees apo xrewstikes, no offence, alla auta pou les dn exoun epafi me tin pragmatikotita ;x

kala 8a me trelaneis... to idio pragma einai me tin diafora oti i mia den paei mion... diladi ti 8a ekanes me tin pistotiki pou den mporeis na kaneis me tin xreostiki?
aplo. exw 0 euro. 8elw na parw kati pou kanei 500 px. To kanei auto i xrewstiki? oxi. Malakas les na eimai kai na lew P I S T W T I K H k oxi xrewstiki?

crazycow
12-01-2008, 05:26 PM
an sou periseuoun xrimata apo ton minieo programatismo sou den uparxei logos na exeis pistosi, apla ta afineis ston logariasmo kai exeis leuta otan xreiazese.
an den sou periseuoun pali den uparxei logos. giati tin pistosi pou 8a pareis meta 8a exeis provlima na tin apopliroseis kai i trapeza 8a armegei ton toko ka8e mina kai esu 8a plironeis gamisiatika tsampa.
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aplo. exw 0 euro. 8elw na parw kati pou kanei 500 px. To kanei auto i xrewstiki? oxi. Malakas les na eimai kai na lew P I S T W T I K H k oxi xrewstiki?

re c voodoo to egrapsa idi... twra an 8es soni kai kala na pareis kati twra pou antikimenika exeis 0 euroulia ston logariasmos sou kai na to pliroseis 10% parapanw me morfi tokou, be my guest.

egw ta fragka pou mou menoun ka8e mina ta afinw ston logariasmo kai an laxei na goustarw kati, paw kanw analipsi kai ta skaw metrita kai to pernw tin idia ora.
oute tokous oute tipota. kai exw to kefali mou isixo oti den xrostaw tipota se kanenan.

to 8ema einai oti an den mporeis na elen3eis ta e3oda sou twra,
prepei na exeis tin trapeza me tin via na sta krataei komati komati ka8e mina pernontas sou kai toko....

ps ws pros lycan me kalipses pliros lol, an kai i pistotiki douleuei kala etsi opws to eipe.

Napoleone
12-01-2008, 05:28 PM
mpa vasika ta perissotera atm me amesh katathesi einai pleon. Nomizw mono i peiraiws to exei akoma na ginetai tin epomeni mera i katathesi apo to atm kai afinei logistiko ypoloipo. Egw pantws me xrewstiki mia xara eimai. To mono provlima einai oti de mporw na parw kati me doseis...kai de me enoxlei katholou pros to paron...giati de maresei na plirwnw tokous.

Voodoo
12-01-2008, 08:16 PM
mpa vasika ta perissotera atm me amesh katathesi einai pleon. Nomizw mono i peiraiws to exei akoma na ginetai tin epomeni mera i katathesi apo to atm kai afinei logistiko ypoloipo. Egw pantws me xrewstiki mia xara eimai. To mono provlima einai oti de mporw na parw kati me doseis...kai de me enoxlei katholou pros to paron...giati de maresei na plirwnw tokous.
basika mono tin peiraiws exw dei me amesi kata8esi :p
iparxoun k atokes pistwtikes pantws;x

Feanaro
12-01-2008, 09:31 PM
πάντως σκεφτείτε κάτι πολύ απλό και λογικό.
όταν κάνει κάποιος κατάθεση σε μια τράπεζα, ας υποθέσουμε 10000 ευρώ, η τράπεζα μπορεί με βάση κάποιο συντελεστή (το βίντεο νομίζω λέει ότι για τις ηπα και τις περισσότερες χώρες είναι 9:1, δεν ξέρω αν ισχύει το ίδιο κι εδώ, ας υποθέσουμε πως είναι) να δώσει δάνειο με βάση αυτήν την κατάθεση 9000 (τα 9/10 της κατάθεσης) σε κάποιον.
αυτήν ακριβώς τη στιγμή έχουμε πλέον δύο λογαριασμούς, το λογαριασμό αυτού που κατέθεσε τα χρήματα με 10000 ευρώ μέσα + το λογαριασμό αυτού που πήρε το δάνειο με 9000 ευρώ μέσα, σύνολο 19000 ευρώ. τα 9000 ευρώ το δανείου είναι νέο χρήμα, δεν αφαιρούνται από το προϋπάρχον.
με τη σειρά του λοιπόν αυτός που πήρε το δάνειο θα χαλάσει τα χρήματα κάπου, πχ θα πάρει ένα αυτοκίνητο, και αυτός ή αυτοί που θα πάρουν τα χρήματα αυτά θα τα καταθέσουν σε κάποια τράπεζα/ες.
με βάση αυτές τις νέες καταθέσεις συνολικής αξίας 9000 ευρώ, η τράπεζα/ες έχουν το δικαίωμα να δώσουν δάνεια συνολικής αξίας 8100 ευρώ (τα 9/10 του 9000).
έχουμε πλέον 10.000+9.000+8.100
οι νέοι δανειολήπτες θα χαλάσουν κι αυτοί κάπου τα χρήματα αυτά, κι έτσι θα προκύψουν νέες καταθέσεις και άρα νέα δάνεια κοκ.
αυτό μπορεί να συνεχιστεί επ άπειρον έτσι ώστε κατά μέσο όρο από μία κατάθεση 10.000 ευρώ μπορούν να δημιουργηθούν νέα χρήματα συνολικής αξίας 90.000.

αν εξαιρέσουμε τον συντελεστή που δεν γνωρίζω ποιος ακριβώς είναι, και το γεγονός ότι οι τράπεζες δανειοδοτούν με βάση τα ποσά που κατατίθονται, κάτι το οποίο γνωρίζω καθώς έχω τη μητέρα μου και άλλους συγγενείς που έχουν δουλέψει σε τράπεζα, τα υπόλοιπα προκύπτουν απλώς με λογική σκέψη.

btw, τι παίζει με τα ελληνικά κεφαλαία γράμματα? :(

Napoleone
12-01-2008, 09:42 PM
basika mono tin peiraiws exw dei me amesi kata8esi :p
iparxoun k atokes pistwtikes pantws;x

kai ti skata kerdizei i trapeza apo tis atokes pistwtikes??? kapoio lako tha exei i fava. I trapeza den einai kapoio filaraki mas pou den exei provlima na mas daneisei xrhmata me to azhmiwto.

Voodoo
12-01-2008, 10:26 PM
kai ti skata kerdizei i trapeza apo tis atokes pistwtikes??? kapoio lako tha exei i fava. I trapeza den einai kapoio filaraki mas pou den exei provlima na mas daneisei xrhmata me to azhmiwto.
syndromi :P
kai dn milaw gia PANTOU atokes.. merikes pistwtikes px den exoun syndromi kai dinoun atokes se merika magazia. ekei den symferei?

pyro*
12-01-2008, 11:35 PM
kai ti skata kerdizei i trapeza apo tis atokes pistwtikes??? kapoio lako tha exei i fava. I trapeza den einai kapoio filaraki mas pou den exei provlima na mas daneisei xrhmata me to azhmiwto.

An plhrwneis sthn wra sou akrivws oti phres den kerdizei sxedon tipota. Otan omws tha theleis daneio, oi pithanothtes na pas se trapeza pou exeis hdh karta einai POLY megalyteres... ;)

crazycow
12-02-2008, 12:48 AM
An plhrwneis sthn wra sou akrivws oti phres den kerdizei sxedon tipota. Otan omws tha theleis daneio, oi pithanothtes na pas se trapeza pou exeis hdh karta einai POLY megalyteres... ;)

apo auto to AN vgazoune POLA leuta oi trapezes :P

blade1980vol
12-02-2008, 02:48 AM
http://www.in.gr/asenews/article.asp?lngEntityID=22350&lngDtrID=40

Voodoo
12-02-2008, 03:10 AM
e ante giati 8eloume k marker na paroume naoum !

ps.: where marker replace with LAK.

Lycanthroat_
12-02-2008, 03:14 AM
basika to paypal dexetai xrewstikes (visa), opote den rwtas tipota ton seller. Sto ebay exeis 7 meres orio na plirwseis, opote bazeis lefta tin epomeni. Ektos an zitaei amesi plirwmi - spanio.

ps.: otan kaneis kata8esi pernei 1 mera na ginoun dia8esima ta lefta. Episis an einai brady pas sto atm? wtf? An k iparxoun merika me amesi kata8esi ;x
tespa lyca mallon dn exeis idees apo xrewstikes, no offence, alla auta pou les dn exoun epafi me tin pragmatikotita ;x


aplo. exw 0 euro. 8elw na parw kati pou kanei 500 px. To kanei auto i xrewstiki? oxi. Malakas les na eimai kai na lew P I S T W T I K H k oxi xrewstiki?

mallon esu dn exeis idea apo ebay.
tespa thewrw to olo concept tou na phgainoerxomai k na vazw lefta sto logariasmo m geloio k xronovoro xwris logo.
nai dn exw idea apo to pws akrivws ginontai h katatheseis se xrewstikh an uparxoun kartes pleon mono gi auto.
pleon oi mises + kartes atm katathesewn leitourgoun k ws xrewstikes.
anw alla pistwsh allo xrewsh einai apla ellhnika.

Voodoo
12-02-2008, 03:36 AM
hah den exw idea apo ebay ? oloi kseroun oti plirwneis mesa se 7 meres k oxi amesws. DUH !
k basika to na pigainoerxesai na kata8eseis lefta se ena atm ienai idio me to na pas stin trapeza na plirwseis tin pistwtiki sou :p

pyro*
12-02-2008, 03:38 AM
mallon esu dn exeis idea apo ebay.
tespa thewrw to olo concept tou na phgainoerxomai k na vazw lefta sto logariasmo m geloio k xronovoro xwris logo.
nai dn exw idea apo to pws akrivws ginontai h katatheseis se xrewstikh an uparxoun kartes pleon mono gi auto.
pleon oi mises + kartes atm katathesewn leitourgoun k ws xrewstikes.
anw alla pistwsh allo xrewsh einai apla ellhnika.

Oi perissoteroi eBay sellers sou dinoun 7-10 meres na plhrwseis. Oi xrewstikes pleon leitourgoun san pistwtikes arkei na exoune ypoloipo mesa. Th diadromh gia na valeis lefta sthn karta tha thn kaneis etsi k alliws an exeis pistotikh gia na thn plhrwseis meta opote same difference, ti prin ti meta.

IamHERO
12-02-2008, 03:39 AM
edo ta kala daneia :)
http://www.megatv.com/summaries.asp?catid=154128&subid=2&tag=11114&pubid=966747

http://www.megatv.com/summaries.asp?catid=154128&subid=2&tag=11114&pubid=966729

Teardrope
12-02-2008, 03:48 PM
dude exw meinei afragkh....


as akousw ligo poiothta na ksexasw ton pono mou -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxFz9UmNvo

(τσακίρ κέφια)

Voodoo
12-02-2008, 05:18 PM
dude exw meinei afragkh....


as akousw ligo poiothta na ksexasw ton pono mou -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxFz9UmNvo

(τσακίρ κέφια)
egw to 8ewrw poly wraio (Y)

crazycow
12-02-2008, 05:50 PM
dude exw meinei afragkh....


as akousw ligo poiothta na ksexasw ton pono mou -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxFz9UmNvo

(τσακίρ κέφια)

an e3ereseis tis maurideres kreatomenes faklanes, ton vraxno karaflo malaka, tin asximi glosa pou me kanei na lipame tin protoxroniatiki galopoula, tin sxedon aniparkti trisa8lia skino8esia, alla kai ton ru8mo tou tragoudiou pou 8umizei odontoti ama3ostixia...

tote h sugkekrimeni selida tou youtube den miazei toso asximi se sugkrisi me tis alles!!!

btw 8eleis piotita? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNhxz5htvk
apla skepsou oti i kopela tragoudaei sta ellinika kai exeis to next great hit (kai se ru8mous rnb pou epivalei i moggoliki moda tis epoxis!)

Teardrope
12-02-2008, 07:24 PM
btw 8eleis piotita? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNhxz5htvk
apla skepsou oti i kopela tragoudaei sta ellinika kai exeis to next great hit (kai se ru8mous rnb pou epivalei i moggoliki moda tis epoxis!)


suggnwmh alla an auto einai ellhnika, egw tote menw sto Tubai.....
Τζιζουζ....

Napoleone
12-03-2008, 12:25 AM
mallon esu dn exeis idea apo ebay.
tespa thewrw to olo concept tou na phgainoerxomai k na vazw lefta sto logariasmo m geloio k xronovoro xwris logo.
nai dn exw idea apo to pws akrivws ginontai h katatheseis se xrewstikh an uparxoun kartes pleon mono gi auto.
pleon oi mises + kartes atm katathesewn leitourgoun k ws xrewstikes.
anw alla pistwsh allo xrewsh einai apla ellhnika.

hah den exw idea apo ebay ? oloi kseroun oti plirwneis mesa se 7 meres k oxi amesws. DUH !
k basika to na pigainoerxesai na kata8eseis lefta se ena atm ienai idio me to na pas stin trapeza na plirwseis tin pistwtiki sou :p

Oi perissoteroi eBay sellers sou dinoun 7-10 meres na plhrwseis. Oi xrewstikes pleon leitourgoun san pistwtikes arkei na exoune ypoloipo mesa. Th diadromh gia na valeis lefta sthn karta tha thn kaneis etsi k alliws an exeis pistotikh gia na thn plhrwseis meta opote same difference, ti prin ti meta.

To internet banking to exei akousta kanena sas i oxi??? Egw xrhsimopoiw xrewstiki gia to internet kai exw na pathsw sti trapeza gia na valw leyta sti karta panw apo xrono... . O monos logos gia na paw se atm einai gia na vgalw leyta....mpas kai valw tpt sto stomaxi gia na mi psofisw i gia kana kafe.

Ena palo e-banking exei i peiraiws...click it (https://www.winbank.gr/loginPortal/login.asp?Lang=GR)

oso gia songs...epeidh gia kapoion ilithio logo oso egrafa akouga to song tis teardrope kai phga na aytoktonisw...akouste ligo ayto : listen it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLAcO3r5Xjs)

Voodoo
12-03-2008, 12:27 AM
To internet banking to exei akousta kanena sas i oxi??? Egw xrhsimopoiw xrewstiki gia to internet kai exw na pathsw sti trapeza gia na valw leyta sti karta panw apo xrono... . O monos logos gia na paw se atm einai gia na vgalw leyta....mpas kai valw tpt sto stomaxi gia na mi psofisw i gia kana kafe.

Ena palo e-banking exei i peiraiws...click it (https://www.winbank.gr/loginPortal/login.asp?Lang=GR)
na kanw mia eulogi erwtisi? Ta lefta pou ta briskeis? Ennow i 8a prepei na iparxei ypoloipo se kapoion logariasmo i mesw pistwtikis. Mesw pistwtikis kai pali pas trapeza na plirwseis. An exeis logariasmo den metraei, giati emeis den exoume tosa $$ xristiane m! Thelei refill kapoia stigmi !

suggnwmh alla an auto einai ellhnika, egw tote menw sto Tubai.....
Τζιζουζ....
i gkomena tou pyro tragoudaei mwre. exei kapoio problima stin ar8rwsi :x

Napoleone
12-03-2008, 12:45 AM
ypotithetai oti douleveis kai kathe 15 i kathe 30 meres kapoia leyta mpenoun ston logariasmo sou...ektos an douleveis tsampa :p

pyro*
12-03-2008, 01:04 AM
h ektos an ta pairneis sto xeri kai oxi se logariasmo... katefthian na mas thn peis tsoutsou :p

Voodoo
12-03-2008, 01:23 AM
skase napoleon kapitala galazio paidi.

Napoleone
12-03-2008, 01:46 AM
ithela toso na to svisw...alla de tha kanw kataxrhsh tis eksousias mou :S

Teardrope
12-03-2008, 02:14 AM
Ma den katalavainete thn esti poiothta.... ts ts ts :p

.::Dxs::.
12-03-2008, 02:26 AM
oxi caramelldansen, oxi oxi ...

crazycow
12-03-2008, 02:52 AM
ithela toso na to svisw...alla de tha kanw kataxrhsh tis eksousias mou :S

POUSTARA TREMEI I KAREKLASOU!!!! 1500 psifoi stin evia kai anevenoume!!!!
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