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KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 04:40 PM
Sta epeisodia sto syntagma prin apo 2 evdomades, sullavane 49 atoma, ta opoia dikazontai simera!

Enas apo aytous grafei to ti perasan...

http://viennas.net/cs/blogs/kafir/archive/2007/03/20/8-3-2007.aspx

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 04:46 PM
kai ena kilo feta pes tou.... opws panta pote ma pote den proskeitai kaneis se kamia parataksi...

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 04:51 PM
kai ena kilo feta pes tou.... opws panta pote ma pote den proskeitai kaneis se kamia parataksi...


Re megale pas kala? Apo olo to keimeno afto mono sou ekane aisthisi? Kai stin teliki toso duskolo sou fainetai na einai kapoios pou katevainei se poreia aneksartitos? i mallon pou katevainei se poreia kai sullamvanetai mono kai mono epeidi katevike stin poreia...

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 04:53 PM
kai ena kilo feta pes tou.... opws panta pote ma pote den proskeitai kaneis se kamia parataksi...

Na fantastw pws diavases mono tin prwti frash tou palikariou etsi?? k meta ta alla varethikes...

Wraia re file, k estw einai se parataksi, ti egine, dikaiologountai ta parakatw pou grafei???

VIB
03-21-2007, 04:54 PM
poli dakryvrexti istoria gia ta gousta mou.

oute oi astinomikoi ine oi kaliteroi alla oute kai ta kathe logis tsoglania pou katevenoun.kai min mou peite pws aftoi pou katevenoun stis poreies ine foitites giati oute ap'eksw den exoun perasei.

otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

dld o astinomikos ti prepei na kanei otan vlepei mprosta tou enan oxlo pou kineite me sinthima to via stin via tis eksousias?

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes.as kathotan spitaki tou opws oi ipoloipoi 45423523463256 foitites pou vlepoun ta eksamina na xanonte kai ta enoikia na trexoun na min pathene tpt.

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 04:54 PM
to oti akomh kai se asxetes poreies kathe fora vlepw tetoia minimata sou leei kati?...
eimoun sto myphone 4 xronia kai eida ta apisteyta kai kses ti? kathe mia apo aytes den elege eimai ekei h allou... aplws ta egrafe apo thn dikh tou skopia kai elege tis paparies anti na ta valei me tous politikous ta vazei me thn astynomia pou kanei thn douleia pou prepei na kanei
a to ksexasa ti lew e?....

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 04:57 PM
poli dakryvrexti istoria gia ta gousta mou.

oute oi astinomikoi ine oi kaliteroi alla oute kai ta kathe logis tsoglania pou katevenoun.kai min mou peite pws aftoi pou katevenoun stis poreies ine foitites giati oute ap'eksw den exoun perasei.

otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

dld o astinomikos ti prepei na kanei otan vlepei mprosta tou enan oxlo pou kineite me sinthima to via stin via tis eksousias?

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes.as kathotan spitaki tou opws oi ipoloipoi 4542352346256 foitites pou vlepoun ta eksamina na xanonte kai ta enoikia na trexoun na min pathene tpt.
gia ena kalytero mellon ginontai ayta vre
den eides? theloume isa dikaiwmata leei enw ama to travhksoun kai allo h eksetastikh tha ginei triplh kai meta tha ta vazoun pali me to yp.paideias xxaaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxa telika einai gtp ayth h xwra

Mistake
03-21-2007, 04:59 PM
Sta epeisodia sto syntagma prin apo 2 evdomades, sullavane 49 atoma, ta opoia dikazontai simera!

Enas apo aytous grafei to ti perasan...

http://viennas.net/cs/blogs/kafir/archive/2007/03/20/8-3-2007.aspx

to link hdh to piran polles apo ths epafes mou thanx...

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 05:01 PM
giati den to esteile se ola ta praktoria? h se ksena eideisiografika praktoria pou psofane gia tetoia?.....
ase re pou to kathe atomo pou thelei na legetai foithths kai vgazei ena provokatoriko triselido hlithio keimeno paei na pei oti einai alhthia kiolas gratz xeiroteroi kai apo to star exoun ginei merikoi...

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 05:02 PM
poli dakryvrexti istoria gia ta gousta mou.

oute oi astinomikoi ine oi kaliteroi alla oute kai ta kathe logis tsoglania pou katevenoun.kai min mou peite pws aftoi pou katevenoun stis poreies ine foitites giati oute ap'eksw den exoun perasei.

otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

dld o astinomikos ti prepei na kanei otan vlepei mprosta tou enan oxlo pou kineite me sinthima to via stin via tis eksousias?

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes.as kathotan spitaki tou opws oi ipoloipoi 45423523463256 foitites pou vlepoun ta eksamina na xanonte kai ta enoikia na trexoun na min pathene tpt.

apo ton kanape (sto spitaki sou opws les), kala ta les. ksereis akrivws ti ginetai... kai upopsin, oi 49 itan apla foitites pou eixan katevei stin poreia. Den itan oute mpaxaloi, den itan kan apo tous foitites pou prospathisan na spasoun tin kokkini zwni. Itan apla ekei kai diadilwnan.

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 05:04 PM
kai esy pou to ksereis? eisoun ekei kai eides aytous akrivws pou epiasan?...
h mhpws to akouses kai esy apo thn thleorash ? dioti to na eisoun ekei akrivws kai na les ayta paei na pei oti sthrizeis merikous merikous...

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 05:08 PM
poli dakryvrexti istoria gia ta gousta mou.

oute oi astinomikoi ine oi kaliteroi alla oute kai ta kathe logis tsoglania pou katevenoun.kai min mou peite pws aftoi pou katevenoun stis poreies ine foitites giati oute ap'eksw den exoun perasei.

otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

dld o astinomikos ti prepei na kanei otan vlepei mprosta tou enan oxlo pou kineite me sinthima to via stin via tis eksousias?

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes.as kathotan spitaki tou opws oi ipoloipoi 45423523463256 foitites pou vlepoun ta eksamina na xanonte kai ta enoikia na trexoun na min pathene tpt.

Re filaraki, pragmatika, antilamvanesai ti les?? Imoun stin poreia k ta eida me ta matia mou...
Oi mpatsoi edernan k sunelavan, foitites oi opoioi apla diadilwnan...
Aytoi pou ta spane, petane molotof kai dernontai onomazontai ANARXIKOI - ANTIEKSOUSIASTES ktl OXI FOITHTES....
Kai fysika siga min paei na ta valei o batsos me kapoion me kadroni k mollotof... Me anyperaspista koritsakia, kai aoplous foitites tha ta valoun, pou den kindynevoun na tous valoun fwtia....
Mathe na ksexwrizeis foitites apo anarxikous...

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes????????
Eimaste sovaroi?? Me tin diki sou logiki, den diadilwnoume pote, den leme pote to ti theloume na allaksei ston topo pou zoume, kathomaste spiti mas, k perimenoume na perasoun ta xronia mexri tis epomenes ekloges, k apo kei na ekfrasoume tin diafwnia mas gia kati??


to oti akomh kai se asxetes poreies kathe fora vlepw tetoia minimata sou leei kati?...
eimoun sto myphone 4 xronia kai eida ta apisteyta kai kses ti? kathe mia apo aytes den elege eimai ekei h allou... aplws ta egrafe apo thn dikh tou skopia kai elege tis paparies anti na ta valei me tous politikous ta vazei me thn astynomia pou kanei thn douleia pou prepei na kanei
a to ksexasa ti lew e?....

To ti mhnymata vlepeis esu den mporw na kserw... To mono pou gnwrizw einai pws opws egrapsa k sto keimeno tou link, to palikari tyxainei na to gnwrizw proswpika, kai pollous allous filous tou pou einai se kathimerini epafh mazi tou, kai pistevw ayta pou grafei...
Edw den milame gia politikes skopies! milame me gegonota... Alla twra vlepw pws ekana lathos pou evgala kati toso sovaro se ena tetoio forum...
Exw k alla na pw, alla pragmatika den aksizei an oi prwtes apantiseis pou lamvanw einai tetoiou idous k yfous...

VIB
03-21-2007, 05:10 PM
apo ton kanape (sto spitaki sou opws les), kala ta les. ksereis akrivws ti ginetai... kai upopsin, oi 49 itan apla foitites pou eixan katevei stin poreia. Den itan oute mpaxaloi, den itan kan apo tous foitites pou prospathisan na spasoun tin kokkini zwni. Itan apla ekei kai diadilwnan.

file mou kathome ston kanape mou ksereis giati?epeidi kapioi den me afinoun na paw sta edrana na mathw afta pou thelw.epeidi kapioi apofasisan pws egw exw apleta lefta gia petama opote as plirwsw adika akoma enan xrono enoikia.epeidi kapioi kathodigoumenoi apo paratakseis kai kathigites apofasisan na valoun louketo agnoontas apofaseis genikwn sinelefsewn.
Gia ola afta kai akoma perissotero kapioi me anagazoun na katsw ston kanape mou.

Katevikane ,kapsane,fonaksane KAI?
ti katalavan?allakse tpt?OXI..alla etsi san zwa mia zwi se aftin tin koloxwra..oloi san kopadi oti mas poun.Kai otan erxete o astinomikos na epivalei tin taksh ginete o kakos kai ton krazoume.

Re den mas paratate me tin idia karamela kathe fora..xwris agwnes den ginete tpt..to 1821 perase an den to katalavate...oi epanastaseis telos...

Kai btw osoi grafoun se afto to thread exoun kanei ton kopo na diavasoun to arthro 16?
Kserete ti leei?kserete posoi ksevolevonte?apo kathigites mexri oso den paei..alla stin ellada ola afta den exoun simasia...ante geia

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 05:11 PM
tyxainei na gnwrizeis prosopika kapoion pou ama htan sovaros opws merikoi alloi prin liga xronia tha estelne anti se sena kai se merika alla sites tha to estelne se eideisiografika praktoria alla ti lew e? paraeinai sovaro ayto... mathe kati loipon

h megalyterh nikh sthrizetai sthn apath ayto kai mono

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 05:12 PM
kai esy pou to ksereis? eisoun ekei kai eides aytous akrivws pou epiasan?...
h mhpws to akouses kai esy apo thn thleorash ? dioti to na eisoun ekei akrivws kai na les ayta paei na pei oti sthrizeis merikous merikous...

gia na to lew me tosi sigouria simainei oti imoun ekei. kai kserw kai pou itan oi mpaxaloi (opou oi matatzides apla tous koitazan). se mplok foititwn epitethike i astunomia. oso gia to an stirizw "merikous merikous", den to poluepiasa. stin kefali tis poreias imoun kai den exw kanena provlima na to pw

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 05:14 PM
kai esy pou to ksereis? eisoun ekei kai eides aytous akrivws pou epiasan?...
h mhpws to akouses kai esy apo thn thleorash ? dioti to na eisoun ekei akrivws kai na les ayta paei na pei oti sthrizeis merikous merikous...

TI stirizei kai poioi einai oi merikoi merikoi ???

Otan einai 30.000 anthrwpoi se mia diadilwsh, einai dynaton na einai k oi 30.000 mpaxaloi ??? Eisai sovaros?? K opoios itan sthn poreia stirizei "merikous merikous" ?? As sovareftoume ligo...

Aytoi pou ta spane einai kapoioi oi opoioi vriskoun efkairia mesa stin anampoumpoula na ta spasoun... Apla k mono giati den mporoun na vgoun mia wraia mera monoi tous 40-50 osoi einai (100 thes, 100 na sou valw) kai na ta spane,..

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 05:15 PM
tyxainei na gnwrizeis prosopika kapoion pou ama htan sovaros opws merikoi alloi prin liga xronia tha estelne anti se sena kai se merika alla sites tha to estelne se eideisiografika praktoria alla ti lew e? paraeinai sovaro ayto... mathe kati loipon

h megalyterh nikh sthrizetai sthn apath ayto kai mono

Xmmm... otan den ksereis min milas... Kai se efimerida exei dimosieytei to sygkekrimeno arthro...

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 05:17 PM
tyxainei na gnwrizeis prosopika kapoion pou ama htan sovaros opws merikoi alloi prin liga xronia tha estelne anti se sena kai se merika alla sites tha to estelne se eideisiografika praktoria alla ti lew e? paraeinai sovaro ayto... mathe kati loipon

h megalyterh nikh sthrizetai sthn apath ayto kai mono

sorry pou tha sto pw, alla eisai ligo nixtwmenos. an diladi pisteveis oti "ta mesa mazikis enimerwsis epiteloun swsta to rolo tous provalontas sfairika kai antikeimenika ta gegonota, eksasfalizontas etsi tin swsti enimerwsi twn politwn..."

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 05:24 PM
file mou kathome ston kanape mou ksereis giati?epeidi kapioi den me afinoun na paw sta edrana na mathw afta pou thelw.epeidi kapioi apofasisan pws egw exw apleta lefta gia petama opote as plirwsw adika akoma enan xrono enoikia.epeidi kapioi kathodigoumenoi apo paratakseis kai kathigites apofasisan na valoun louketo agnoontas apofaseis genikwn sinelefsewn.
Gia ola afta kai akoma perissotero kapioi me anagazoun na katsw ston kanape mou.

Katevikane ,kapsane,fonaksane KAI?
ti katalavan?allakse tpt?OXI..alla etsi san zwa mia zwi se aftin tin koloxwra..oloi san kopadi oti mas poun.Kai otan erxete o astinomikos na epivalei tin taksh ginete o kakos kai ton krazoume.

Re den mas paratate me tin idia karamela kathe fora..xwris agwnes den ginete tpt..to 1821 perase an den to katalavate...oi epanastaseis telos...

Kai btw osoi grafoun se afto to thread exoun kanei ton kopo na diavasoun to arthro 16?
Kserete ti leei?kserete posoi ksevolevonte?apo kathigites mexri oso den paei..alla stin ellada ola afta den exoun simasia...ante geia



elaxistes sxoles ekleisan paratupa. kai aftes kata vasi apo tin pks pou den exei kai idiaiteri sxesi me to foititiko kinima, dedomenou oti eksipiretei sumferonta sugkekrimenou kommatos. twra to oti legontas gia epanastasi anafereis gia paradeigma afti tou 21'...

kai stin teliki, oles oi sxoles pou teloun upo katalipsi, den einai kleistes authaireta. Apofaseis genikwn sunelefsewn einai pou ulopoiountai kai oxi parataksewn kai kommatwn. An thes na kaneis mathima na pas na psifiseis tin dapara stin epomeni geniki sinelefsi tis sxolis sou. Den kanei kako i geniki sunelefsi, tsampa einai i eisodos

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 05:24 PM
enan h olous mazi?
pou zeite re? pws vlepei kaneis oti h nyxta sas exei faei milame........ soz pou se stenaxwrw alla sto ellada oti exei fai kinhte aka h epistolh ayth exei megalo fagopoti alla vlepeis kapoioi thn kryvoun gia na mhn mathei o laos thn alhtheia (ax00xa0ax0axa0ax0)
sovareyteite ligo kai niwsto to epitelous oti oloi aytoi mono oudeteroi den einai....
1)01 sthn diadhlwsh pou ekane h olme ksanamana ta idia kai ksamana epistolh sto net....
2)03 se idia diadhlwsh ths olme gia lefta ayth th fora ksana epeisodia ksana epistolh
3)07 ta idia skata h idia epistolh kai pali mpravo......
mallon zw se allh xwra........
mallon vlepw oti tha xasete allh mia eksetastikh kai tha meinete me to pouli sto xeri kai meta tha ta valete pali me thn kybernhsh pou tha sas pei mathimata to pasxa xaaxaxaxxaaxaxaxaxaxaxxa pali kala pou teleiwsa egw me oti exei sxesh me sxoleio genika

Asdfast
03-21-2007, 05:25 PM
Kai fysika siga min paei na ta valei o batsos me kapoion me kadroni k mollotof... Me anyperaspista koritsakia, kai aoplous foitites tha ta valoun, pou den kindynevoun na tous valoun fwtia....
Mathe na ksexwrizeis foitites apo anarxikous...

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes????????
Eimaste sovaroi?? Me tin diki sou logiki, den diadilwnoume pote, den leme pote to ti theloume na allaksei ston topo pou zoume, kathomaste spiti mas, k perimenoume na perasoun ta xronia mexri tis epomenes ekloges, k apo kei na ekfrasoume tin diafwnia mas gia kati??



Simfonw mazi s palikare...

An@ptiras
03-21-2007, 05:25 PM
egw blepw mia ipourgo paideias p apla einai enantion twn ma8itwn k mia foititiki koinotita pragmatika ATHLIA k APARADEKTI.8es na kaneis poreia aderfe?Mn kleineis ti sxoli sou k xase ma8imata gia na diamartiri8eis.Ti sou ftaiei o allos p plirwnei ta enoikia i p 8elei na teleiwsei ti sxoli se 5 xronia?K afou blepete oti den ginetai tpt apolitws me tis poreies,ti sinexizete?Parte mia tripli e3etastiki sto telos na staniarete.Anarwtiemai posoi apo autous p psifizoun iper tis katalipsis,pigainoun stis poreies.

VIB
03-21-2007, 05:29 PM
elaxistes sxoles ekleisan paratupa. kai aftes kata vasi apo tin pks pou den exei kai idiaiteri sxesi me to foititiko kinima, dedomenou oti eksipiretei sumferonta sugkekrimenou kommatos. twra to oti legontas gia epanastasi anafereis gia paradeigma afti tou 21'...

kai stin teliki, oles oi sxoles pou teloun upo katalipsi, den einai kleistes authaireta. Apofaseis genikwn sunelefsewn einai pou ulopoiountai kai oxi parataksewn kai kommatwn. An thes na kaneis mathima na pas na psifiseis tin dapara stin epomeni geniki sinelefsi tis sxolis sou. Den kanei kako i geniki sunelefsi, tsampa einai i eisodos

elaxistes sxoles ine paratypa kleistes..kala kane koukou

geniki sinelefsi panteiou.apofasi:na anoiksei i sxoli

to epomeno prwi:louketo pantou,50 atoma me skatofatses mprosta..epese ksilo..i sxoli emeine kleistei me to etsi thelw

to PA.PEI dld giati na ine anoixto?giati na ginete mathima kanonika?me 2 metra kai 2 stathma ginete o agwnas?

koita file...tosa xronia ta xortasa ola afta..ena gamw pruxio thelw na parw kai den afinoun...kai ksereis kai kati?otan se enan mina tha doun pws akoma mia fora den egine tpt tha sou poun den peirazei kaname tin prospatheia pare tripli eksetastiki apo ioulio ws oktomvrio na goustareis.

Asdfast
03-21-2007, 05:29 PM
egw blepw mia ipourgo paideias p apla einai enantion twn ma8itwn k mia foititiki koinotita pragmatika ATHLIA k APARADEKTI.8es na kaneis poreia aderfe?Mn kleineis ti sxoli sou k xase ma8imata gia na diamartiri8eis.Ti sou ftaiei o allos p plirwnei ta enoikia i p 8elei na teleiwsei ti sxoli se 5 xronia?K afou blepete oti den ginetai tpt apolitws me tis poreies,ti sinexizete?Parte mia tripli e3etastiki sto telos na staniarete.Anarwtiemai posoi apo autous p psifizoun iper tis katalipsis,pigainoun stis poreies.

Apo ti stigmi pou apofasisan na kanoun katalipseis tote tha ipostoun kai tis sinepies fisika.Tin tripli e3etastiki ti na tin kanoun?ta ergastiria den anaplirononte etc

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 05:36 PM
elaxistes sxoles ine paratypa kleistes..kala kane koukou

geniki sinelefsi panteiou.apofasi:na anoiksei i sxoli

to epomeno prwi:louketo pantou,50 atoma me skatofatses mprosta..epese ksilo..i sxoli emeine kleistei me to etsi thelw

to PA.PEI dld giati na ine anoixto?giati na ginete mathima kanonika?me 2 metra kai 2 stathma ginete o agwnas?

koita file...tosa xronia ta xortasa ola afta..ena gamw pruxio thelw na parw kai den afinoun...kai ksereis kai kati?otan se enan mina tha doun pws akoma mia fora den egine tpt tha sou poun den peirazei kaname tin prospatheia pare tripli eksetastiki apo ioulio ws oktomvrio na goustareis.

Afou ta xortases, na katevaineis se kathe suneleysi, kai wste otan katevoun oloi oi alloi pou einai san k sena, afou eiste tosoi polloi, na anoiksete tin sxolh ka na min tin ksanakleisete...

To oti kapoies sxoles kleisane paranoma einai gegonos, alla den einai h pleiopsifia ayth...

To PAPEI, magkia tou pou stis synelefseis psifizei k menei anoixth h sxolh.. Ti 2 metra k 2 stathma??? Vgike kamia apofasi apo to upougeio pws to PAPEI kanei kanonika mathima, enw esu oxi k thixtikes? Psifisane k apofasisane... opws se oles tis sxoles...

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 05:52 PM
kaffir krima eisai foithths kai den ksereis pws leitourgei to systhma anamesa sta panephsthmia........
p.s akomh den vrhkes ena epeixhrima na peis para mono aerologies

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 06:03 PM
kaffir krima eisai foithths kai den ksereis pws leitourgei to systhma anamesa sta panephsthmia........
p.s akomh den vrhkes ena epeixhrima na peis para mono aerologies

Den exw skopw na elthw se proswpiki antiparathesi...

Na epixeirimatologisw se ti?? Mou ekanes kapoia safh erwtisi gia na epixeirimatologisw? Monaxa aforismous akouw apo esena gia 3ples eksetastikes, k foitites pou einai se paratakseis k grafoun keimena san ayto pou dimosieysa gia na kerdisei kati to komma tous...
Ayta pou les mporei na isxuoun en merh, alla genikeveis pragma lanthasmeno...

Twra to an esu eisai apomakrysmenos apo ta themata paideias, k osa vlepeis sta MME ta metafrazeis " Ta malakismena oi foitites, pou xeiragwgountai, kai to mono pou kanoun einai na trwne ta leyta tou kratous, kai mas ta prizoun k apo panw" , den mporw na sou allaksw muala...
Mou milas emena pws kaneis den einai aneksartitos... Eimai 1000% aneksartitos, kai den asxolithika pote mou me ta kommatika 5 xronia twra foitiths, alla mesa apo ena forum profanws den mporw na to apodeiksw...
K omws vrika aksio logou to keimeno, k dedomenou pws exw kapoies stoixeiwdeis eggyiseis gia ton sygrafea tou keimenoun, to dimosieysa.

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 06:08 PM
tri paradeigmata apo poreies thn teleytaia dekaetia sou eipa kai oi treis me epistoles san kai ayth edw..... ti allo thes?..... h nomizeis opws eipes oti h astynomikoi varesan kopeles ths foilologikhs
opws eipe kai enas "nai oi mpatsoi anagnwrisan to tmhma ths filologikhs kai anti na piasoun tous taraksies pou htan ekei eipan na varesoun kamia kopela mpas kai piasoun ligo kwlo"
h mhpws den eide kaneis dyo kopeles me KRANH dipla stous gnwstous agnwstous?(opou thn mia thn ekanan toumpano sto ksilo meta) e?e?e? mhn leme oti malakia mas katevei se parakalw kai den afwrhzw kanenan aplws mou thn spane oi dhthen kai h den ekana tipota akomh kai oikodomo epiasan sta epeisodia me polla eis varos tou dikasthria... na xarw thn poreia sas

DarthNicolas
03-21-2007, 06:12 PM
1s kaugas 8elei PANTA 2 atoma.me ena atomo dn ginetai kavgas. k fisika oi foithtes pote dn htan panagitses, oute kan sto politexneio. m'e3eresh ton darthnikolas p einai skatomwro xD

em ti eimai kalo paidi egw dn kanw mlkies me patera mpatso a0x0a0x0ax0a0xa

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 06:14 PM
mpatsoi roufianoi kotopoula me kranh xD

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 06:16 PM
Sthn poreia, kalws h kakws, mporei na paei opoios thelei... Epomenws mporei k o kathe anarxikos na parisfrisei, k na kanei epeisodia...

Sto keimeno diavases, ti katigories synetaksan gia tous sulifthentes?? Den einai tragelafiko olo ayto???
Malista des k edw http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=788952&lngDtrID=244 (Thn paragrafo "Την Πέμπτη συνεχίζεται η δίκη των «49»").

Ayto pou aneferes einai ontws geloio, ta peri kolwn ktl, alla den nomizw sto keimeno pou dimosieysa na grafei kamia tetoia geloiotita...
Ek peiras omws gnwrizw pws oi astynomikoi tis perissoteres fores kinountai enantiwn tou foititikou ogkou, pragma eykolotero, apo to na prospathisoun na piasoun tous oplismenous anarxikous...
Se poreia gia ta idia etimata to kalokairi pou mas perase, ekanan ntou ta MAT stin kardia tis poreias, sto ipsos tis xarilaou Trikoupi, kai me glop espasan to xeri foititrias, filis filou mou.
To ti empeiria exeis esu apo keimena se paromoies periptwseis , den kserw, kai tha eprepe na min se epireazei. Einai kati diaforetiko, ayth tin fora.Kathe fora einai diaforetiko... Den einai ena aplo chain mail, pou an den to steileis se 35 gnwstous sou tha sou pesoun ta dontia. Einai martyria enos sovarou enilika, gia tis sunthikes sulipsis, kratisis, kai tis katigories pou varenoun 49 atoma...

DarthNicolas
03-21-2007, 06:17 PM
mpatsoi roufianoi kotopoula me kranh xD

a0xa0x0a0xa kakos??

Ζaster
03-21-2007, 06:19 PM
file mou kathome ston kanape mou ksereis giati?epeidi kapioi den me afinoun na paw sta edrana na mathw afta pou thelw.epeidi kapioi apofasisan pws egw exw apleta lefta gia petama opote as plirwsw adika akoma enan xrono enoikia.epeidi kapioi kathodigoumenoi apo paratakseis kai kathigites apofasisan na valoun louketo agnoontas apofaseis genikwn sinelefsewn.
Gia ola afta kai akoma perissotero kapioi me anagazoun na katsw ston kanape mou.

Katevikane ,kapsane,fonaksane KAI?
ti katalavan?allakse tpt?OXI..alla etsi san zwa mia zwi se aftin tin koloxwra..oloi san kopadi oti mas poun.Kai otan erxete o astinomikos na epivalei tin taksh ginete o kakos kai ton krazoume.

Re den mas paratate me tin idia karamela kathe fora..xwris agwnes den ginete tpt..to 1821 perase an den to katalavate...oi epanastaseis telos...

Kai btw osoi grafoun se afto to thread exoun kanei ton kopo na diavasoun to arthro 16?
Kserete ti leei?kserete posoi ksevolevonte?apo kathigites mexri oso den paei..alla stin ellada ola afta den exoun simasia...ante geiai istoria kai ta gegonota file mou apodeiknyei oti osa les einai MALAKIES.. 2 fores exoun katargisei nomous psifismenous apo tin vouli kiolas logo entonwn antidrasewn apo tous foitites.. kai tin 1i fora kiolas prothypourgos itan o sinonomatos theios (an den kanw lathos) tou twrinou prothypourgou (1979)

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 06:22 PM
kaffir tha to mia mia fora ok? ayto mou elege o pappous mou ayto mou elege o pateras mou kai me ayto megalwsa
h megalyterh nikh vasizetai sthn apath
kai h apath sto psema
kane to psema alhtheia
kai thn alhtheia psema
h syngxhsh kai o dolos
einai to monopati ths nikhs
katse des to kala ayto einai kathara symvoliko kai den to lew gia allh ennoia aplws katse kai diavase to kala
enas agrafos nomos ths politikhs einai oti kai mono na petakseis kathgories kaneis megalh douleia pros ofelos ths

Ζaster
03-21-2007, 06:24 PM
otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

gia alli mia fora les tis idies mlkies.. aytoi pou petane molotof kai spane ta panta DEN EINAI FOITITES
trava se kamia poreia kai rwta tous foitites (oxi aytous pou spane/petane molotof ktl): "tous 3erete aytous? i estw 1 apo aytous?"
osous exw rwtisei i exoun rwtisei gnwstoi mou exoun lavei tin idia apantisi: "OXI"

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 06:26 PM
kai ti tha sou poun? nai mwre xtes ta piname mazi kai legame diafora?:p

HoHoHo!!!
03-21-2007, 06:56 PM
kaffir tha to mia mia fora ok? ayto mou elege o pappous mou ayto mou elege o pateras mou kai me ayto megalwsa
h megalyterh nikh vasizetai sthn apath
kai h apath sto psema
kane to psema alhtheia
kai thn alhtheia psema
h syngxhsh kai o dolos
einai to monopati ths nikhs
katse des to kala ayto einai kathara symvoliko kai den to lew gia allh ennoia aplws katse kai diavase to kala
enas agrafos nomos ths politikhs einai oti kai mono na petakseis kathgories kaneis megalh douleia pros ofelos ths


Wraia oikogeneia re... Bravo... O papous, na fantastw itan stin katoxi apo tous kurious me tin koukoula e?
Kai o mpampas sto polutexneio xafiedakos???

Pes to etsi nte... etsi eksigountai ola sou ta posts ...
Ante vre, kai asfalitis sou efxomai... GF !

KaFFiR
03-21-2007, 07:07 PM
Eytyxws se allous pollous oi paterades tous elegan, na agwnizesai gia oti thes na petyxeis, na min afineis ta pragmata stin tuxh tous k sta xeria allwn...

Me tin diki sou logiki loipon, an egw diafwnw me tin metarithmisi ayth, pws prepei na antidrasw?Ti prepei na kanw?

Raspoutin
03-21-2007, 07:07 PM
kaffir tha to mia mia fora ok? ayto mou elege o pappous mou ayto mou elege o pateras mou kai me ayto megalwsa
h megalyterh nikh vasizetai sthn apath
kai h apath sto psema
kane to psema alhtheia
kai thn alhtheia psema
h syngxhsh kai o dolos
einai to monopati ths nikhs
katse des to kala ayto einai kathara symvoliko kai den to lew gia allh ennoia aplws katse kai diavase to kala
enas agrafos nomos ths politikhs einai oti kai mono na petakseis kathgories kaneis megalh douleia pros ofelos ths


oi Germanoi einai filoi mas, theloune to kalo mas!! Na ton akoute ton gero-lada!!! (γερο-λαδά)

com
03-21-2007, 07:20 PM
Re milate sovara?? Exetazetai to an einai kleistes oi sxoles dikaia kai an to arthro 16 einai swsto?? Ayto einai mia allh megalh syzhthsh...To thema einai praktikes pou exoun xronia na efarmostoun apo thn astynomia kai exoun polles aities...1 aitia einai na apodynamwthei to foititiko kiima enantia se metarythmiseis pou thygoun ta dikaiwmata tou...na sas pw kai mia 2h?? O kalos ypourgos thelei thn psifo tou kathe fasistomoutrou stis ekloges pou erxontai kai enas poly kalos tropos na to kataferei einai na tou dwsei ayto pou thelei...xylo se opoiadhpote proodeytikh dynamh!

OPOIOS DEN EXEI KATEVEI SE POREIA, DEN EXEI DEI TIS PROKLHSEIS TIS ASTYNOMIAS SE STIGMES HREMIAS, DEN EXEI DEI TOUS ASFALITES ME SKISMENA PANTELONIA KAI KOUKOULES MESA STOUS ANARXIKOUS, DEN EXEI DEI ASFALITES MESA SE SYNELEFSEIS SE AMFITHEATRA(To grapse kai h ELEYTHEROTYPIA), DEN EXEI FAEI DAKRYGWNO XWRIS LOGO /BAN /KILL /MHN GRAFEIS SE AYTO TO THREAD ...o kathenas me th mlkia tou apo ton kanape tou eleos!

BTW to palikari to xerw kai gw einai symfoithths sto etos mou kai prwsopikos gnwstos!


Prosoxh Prosoxh Zarntineres me stolh!

Free Siou!!!

ezealor
03-21-2007, 08:20 PM
Oloi kseroun poso m@l@kes einai aytoi p mas kyvernoun..

Erwtylos
03-21-2007, 09:14 PM
Αχ Παττακός και Παπαδόπουλος που μας χρειάζεται... Ωραία χρόνια τότε....
:twisted:

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 09:21 PM
pou na elega parte to opws sas voleyei.....
pou na mhn elega des to mono san ennoia gia thn epistolh pou evales edw.....
alla fysika o kompleksismos merikwn kai h dynamh tou egw merikwn pou theloun panta kai opou vroun eykaireia na to paiksoun anwteroi tous kathista kati pou den exei megalyterh aksia apo ena skato ti na peis kala lew egw foithtes einai mono to 2% ta ypoloipa einai zwa pou me thn paramikrh etkaireia kanoun ta panta gia na mhn kanoun mathima kai meta thn lene stous ypourgous kai se aytous pou theloun metarythimiseis na mou zhseis ellada
kai ksafnika to "paidi" pou egrapse ayto to provokatoriko triselido panhlithio keimeno einai gnwsto tou l2 bnb gratz gia allh mia prwtia
fitz mhpws na fereis kai asfalites me alla nicks wste na tous kanoun antarsia?
h mhpws na fereis asfalites kai na ftiaxete kana team na pate ct vs foithtes kai na petate smokes?

e re glentia otan kapote deite to dasos kai oxi to dentro(arthro 16) isws katalavete oti xasate enan xrono pou kapoios apo eksw pou tha exei teleiwsei tha erthei edw psaxnontas gia douleia kai fysika tha thn parei kathws oi malakes ekanan katalhpsis kai poreies gia kati pou ousiastika ksevoleyei tous monima volemenous kathigites kai merikous allous pou den tous aresei h idea oti tha xasoun merika lefta....

Alehandro
03-21-2007, 09:29 PM
kai ena kilo feta pes tou.... opws panta pote ma pote den proskeitai kaneis se kamia parataksi...

H αγνοια ειναι ευτυχια , γιαυτο και θα πεθανεις χαζο παιδι χαρα γεματο ; ))

Alehandro
03-21-2007, 09:31 PM
Re milate sovara?? Exetazetai to an einai kleistes oi sxoles dikaia kai an to arthro 16 einai swsto?? Ayto einai mia allh megalh syzhthsh...To thema einai praktikes pou exoun xronia na efarmostoun apo thn astynomia kai exoun polles aities...1 aitia einai na apodynamwthei to foititiko kiima enantia se metarythmiseis pou thygoun ta dikaiwmata tou...na sas pw kai mia 2h?? O kalos ypourgos thelei thn psifo tou kathe fasistomoutrou stis ekloges pou erxontai kai enas poly kalos tropos na to kataferei einai na tou dwsei ayto pou thelei...xylo se opoiadhpote proodeytikh dynamh!

OPOIOS DEN EXEI KATEVEI SE POREIA, DEN EXEI DEI TIS PROKLHSEIS TIS ASTYNOMIAS SE STIGMES HREMIAS, DEN EXEI DEI TOUS ASFALITES ME SKISMENA PANTELONIA KAI KOUKOULES MESA STOUS ANARXIKOUS, DEN EXEI DEI ASFALITES MESA SE SYNELEFSEIS SE AMFITHEATRA(To grapse kai h ELEYTHEROTYPIA), DEN EXEI FAEI DAKRYGWNO XWRIS LOGO /BAN /KILL /MHN GRAFEIS SE AYTO TO THREAD ...o kathenas me th mlkia tou apo ton kanape tou eleos!

BTW to palikari to xerw kai gw einai symfoithths sto etos mou kai prwsopikos gnwstos!


Prosoxh Prosoxh Zarntineres me stolh!

Free Siou!!!


Κακως τα γραφεις .... Πολλοι απο δω μεσα ειναι τοσο κλειστομυαλοι , που πιστευουν οτι οι φοιτητες ειναι απο αλλο πλανητη , ειναι κακα παιδια .

Και η χουντα συνεχιζεται ...

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 09:35 PM
ama h malakia htan podosfairo tha eisoun pagkosmios prwtathilitis
elpizw na se kalypsa katse diadhlwse fae ton kosmo ase tous asfalites na varane tous dikous kai pou kai pou na stelnoun kai sto nosokomeio dikous tous kai ase emena sthn doulitsa m pou exw na exw hdh eksasfalisei to mellon m kai esy na prospatheis meta apo poli kairo na vgaleis ena ptyxio pou telika tha to kremaseis se kana xasapiko ok? apla kai wraia exw mia gnwmh poly kalyterh apo thn dikia sou san tritos kai oudeteros kathws sta paparia mou an zhsete h oxi kai prosopika tha ithela para poly na dwsoun to eleythero epitelous sta ekam na bgoun ston dromo na sas sapisoun sto ksilo kathws paraginate maw taw atoma kai nomizetai oti mono eseis exete dikio alla den koitate giati arage h giannakou ekane to n.16? mhpws ftasame ston pato tou atlantikou? mhpws ftaei oti o kathe prytanhs konteyei na parei ferrari me ta xrhmata pou trwei apo dhthen programmata eksoplismou twn panepisthmiwn? oxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thelei psifous apo thn gsee kai toue emporous pou ta tsirakia twn mpatswn kaine ta magazia tous

crzmanou
03-21-2007, 09:40 PM
Re milate sovara?? Exetazetai to an einai kleistes oi sxoles dikaia kai an to arthro 16 einai swsto?? Ayto einai mia allh megalh syzhthsh...To thema einai praktikes pou exoun xronia na efarmostoun apo thn astynomia kai exoun polles aities...1 aitia einai na apodynamwthei to foititiko kiima enantia se metarythmiseis pou thygoun ta dikaiwmata tou...na sas pw kai mia 2h?? O kalos ypourgos thelei thn psifo tou kathe fasistomoutrou stis ekloges pou erxontai kai enas poly kalos tropos na to kataferei einai na tou dwsei ayto pou thelei...xylo se opoiadhpote proodeytikh dynamh!

OPOIOS DEN EXEI KATEVEI SE POREIA, DEN EXEI DEI TIS PROKLHSEIS TIS ASTYNOMIAS SE STIGMES HREMIAS, DEN EXEI DEI TOUS ASFALITES ME SKISMENA PANTELONIA KAI KOUKOULES MESA STOUS ANARXIKOUS, DEN EXEI DEI ASFALITES MESA SE SYNELEFSEIS SE AMFITHEATRA(To grapse kai h ELEYTHEROTYPIA), DEN EXEI FAEI DAKRYGWNO XWRIS LOGO /BAN /KILL /MHN GRAFEIS SE AYTO TO THREAD ...o kathenas me th mlkia tou apo ton kanape tou eleos!

BTW to palikari to xerw kai gw einai symfoithths sto etos mou kai prwsopikos gnwstos!


Prosoxh Prosoxh Zarntineres me stolh!

Free Siou!!!

nai ok egw 8umamai pou eixa paei perusi se mia poreia me polu kosmo apo th sxolh mou, prwtous prwtous evlepa tous idous mou tous sumfoithtes na petane kadronia xwris na kanoun tpt oi astunomikoi-mat-klp
apla stis poreies polloi pane mono kai mono gia na ta spasoun
twra pou les oti katevainoun gia ta dikaiomata tous ti na sou pw
alloi to vlepoun san hobby kai pane sthn poreia gia na kanoun tis kafriles tous, mh mou peis oti to kapsimo tou fulakiou dipla ston afgnwsto stratiwth htan endeiksh ths aganakthshs gia to ar8ro 16

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 09:44 PM
ekane kryo ekeinh thn wra mwre kai eipan oi foithtes na anapsoun ligo thn atmosfaira etsi gia to gamwto


mallon ta tsirakia evalan fwtia den tous eides po eixan ta shmata kremasmena sto laimo re si?...

ritwn
03-21-2007, 09:50 PM
XOUNTA KANONIKI DLD..epidi zitagane silipseis tis kanane se akirous k a8oous..k tous gnostous agnostous pali eleu8erous..

blade1980vol4
03-21-2007, 09:53 PM
hremia katse na erthoun ta skylia kai na fygei o malakas o polydwras gia na deis gia pote tha piasoun gnwstous agnwstous.......

foithths sthn ellada einai kati san to kokkino sthn ellada panta pername me kokkino gia na leme oti kaname peiraia glyfada se 10 lepta

harisma
03-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Re mages parte to xampari...h aristera kanei koumanto sthn ekpedeysh oso kai an to theloume h oxi....an thelei h papariga kai o alavanos ayrio einai anixta ta panepistimia. Oti poun aftoi ginetai...to kako den einai ayto omws to kako einai oti an poun aftoi oti to tade arthro sas adikei oi perissoteroi san zwa oute pou tha to elenxoun...tha klisoun tis sxoles kai tha katevoun se pories gt etsi tous eipe to boss.

Lypamai giati h aristera sthn ellada exei mia teleiws lahtos opsh twn pragmatwn..mages o Marx den exefraze teties apopseis...xypniste!!!!

com
03-22-2007, 12:52 AM
ama h malakia htan podosfairo tha eisoun pagkosmios prwtathilitis
elpizw na se kalypsa katse diadhlwse fae ton kosmo ase tous asfalites na varane tous dikous kai pou kai pou na stelnoun kai sto nosokomeio dikous tous kai ase emena sthn doulitsa m pou exw na exw hdh eksasfalisei to mellon m kai esy na prospatheis meta apo poli kairo na vgaleis ena ptyxio pou telika tha to kremaseis se kana xasapiko ok? apla kai wraia exw mia gnwmh poly kalyterh apo thn dikia sou san tritos kai oudeteros kathws sta paparia mou an zhsete h oxi kai prosopika tha ithela para poly na dwsoun to eleythero epitelous sta ekam na bgoun ston dromo na sas sapisoun sto ksilo kathws paraginate maw taw atoma kai nomizetai oti mono eseis exete dikio alla den koitate giati arage h giannakou ekane to n.16? mhpws ftasame ston pato tou atlantikou? mhpws ftaei oti o kathe prytanhs konteyei na parei ferrari me ta xrhmata pou trwei apo dhthen programmata eksoplismou twn panepisthmiwn? oxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thelei psifous apo thn gsee kai toue emporous pou ta tsirakia twn mpatswn kaine ta magazia tous

Gia ton prytanh +1!!
Gia ola ta ypoloipa -5641723894632798
Me thn logikh sou afth agori mou pragmati tha pareis ptyxio prin apo mena, pragmati tha vreis katlyterh douleia, otan egw tha xeskizomai na vrw leyta na zhsw esy tha xeis beba cabrio kai tha pineis sfynakia parea me 3 xantha xekwla se kapoio club! Krima gia mena pragmati pou otan vlepw thn vrwma thn geloiothta kai ena swro GLYWDEIS typous gyrw mou ...den mporw na katsw ston kanape mou kai na mhn kanw tpt, h isws na piasw filies mazi tous gia na exw cone ayrio na mou dinoun mizes apo ta dhmosia erga! An esy mporeis magia sou! Alla opws aytoi mia zwh tha gelan mazi mou pinontas chevas 18 me tous filous tous, etsi kai gw tha gelaw mazi tous pinontas ouzakia me tous dikous mou! Kai tha xw kai yshxh thn synhdhsh mou oti den pathsa epi ptwmatwn gia na anevw alla prospathisa estw kai ligo kati na allaxw! Oso gia ta ekam agori mou kai aytoi oi kakomoirhdes ypalhloi einai, Stratokayloi alla ypalhloi! Den ftaine aytoi! ESY ftais kai oloi osoi exoun thn nootrpia sou pou anexontai h symfwnoun me aythn thn katastash!!!

KaFFiR
03-22-2007, 03:25 AM
pou na elega parte to opws sas voleyei.....
pou na mhn elega des to mono san ennoia gia thn epistolh pou evales edw.....
alla fysika o kompleksismos merikwn kai h dynamh tou egw merikwn pou theloun panta kai opou vroun eykaireia na to paiksoun anwteroi tous kathista kati pou den exei megalyterh aksia apo ena skato ti na peis kala lew egw foithtes einai mono to 2% ta ypoloipa einai zwa pou me thn paramikrh etkaireia kanoun ta panta gia na mhn kanoun mathima kai meta thn lene stous ypourgous kai se aytous pou theloun metarythimiseis na mou zhseis ellada
kai ksafnika to "paidi" pou egrapse ayto to provokatoriko triselido panhlithio keimeno einai gnwsto tou l2 bnb gratz gia allh mia prwtia
fitz mhpws na fereis kai asfalites me alla nicks wste na tous kanoun antarsia?
h mhpws na fereis asfalites kai na ftiaxete kana team na pate ct vs foithtes kai na petate smokes?

e re glentia otan kapote deite to dasos kai oxi to dentro(arthro 16) isws katalavete oti xasate enan xrono pou kapoios apo eksw pou tha exei teleiwsei tha erthei edw psaxnontas gia douleia kai fysika tha thn parei kathws oi malakes ekanan katalhpsis kai poreies gia kati pou ousiastika ksevoleyei tous monima volemenous kathigites kai merikous allous pou den tous aresei h idea oti tha xasoun merika lefta....

Einai teleiws afthereto ayto pou les kai toulaxiston geleio... 2 eipan oti ton kseroun... Ksereis ti mou einai emena o Com ??? Mporei na eimaste mia parea, k na kseroume ta idia atoma. Kakomoiris deixneis me ola ayta apla...

ama h malakia htan podosfairo tha eisoun pagkosmios prwtathilitis
elpizw na se kalypsa katse diadhlwse fae ton kosmo ase tous asfalites na varane tous dikous kai pou kai pou na stelnoun kai sto nosokomeio dikous tous kai ase emena sthn doulitsa m pou exw na exw hdh eksasfalisei to mellon m kai esy na prospatheis meta apo poli kairo na vgaleis ena ptyxio pou telika tha to kremaseis se kana xasapiko ok? apla kai wraia exw mia gnwmh poly kalyterh apo thn dikia sou san tritos kai oudeteros kathws sta paparia mou an zhsete h oxi kai prosopika tha ithela para poly na dwsoun to eleythero epitelous sta ekam na bgoun ston dromo na sas sapisoun sto ksilo kathws paraginate maw taw atoma kai nomizetai oti mono eseis exete dikio alla den koitate giati arage h giannakou ekane to n.16? mhpws ftasame ston pato tou atlantikou? mhpws ftaei oti o kathe prytanhs konteyei na parei ferrari me ta xrhmata pou trwei apo dhthen programmata eksoplismou twn panepisthmiwn? oxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thelei psifous apo thn gsee kai toue emporous pou ta tsirakia twn mpatswn kaine ta magazia tous


Synexizeis na ekfrazeis geleies, kseperasmenes akrees apopseis... K deixneis pws den exeis tin aparaititi noimosini wste na katalaveis pws ta epeisodia den kanoun oi foitites, alla anarxikoi .... Akous ekei na mas sapisoun!!! Ti eimai egw re karagkiozi gia na me sapisoun? Paranomos? H epeidi eimai foititis k thewrisa aparaito gia tin zwi mou na mpw se ena anwtato idrima na mathw 5 pramata kai kuriws na ANOIKSEI TO MUALO MOU, kai na min ginw san k sena methavrio!!!!

ekane kryo ekeinh thn wra mwre kai eipan oi foithtes na anapsoun ligo thn atmosfaira etsi gia to gamwto


mallon ta tsirakia evalan fwtia den tous eides po eixan ta shmata kremasmena sto laimo re si?...

Oxi forousan koukoules, k kadronia ta block twn foititwn, opws k oi 10 kopeles pou synelavan... Alla pinakides den eixan!

hremia katse na erthoun ta skylia kai na fygei o malakas o polydwras gia na deis gia pote tha piasoun gnwstous agnwstous.......

foithths sthn ellada einai kati san to kokkino sthn ellada panta pername me kokkino gia na leme oti kaname peiraia glyfada se 10 lepta

Ara kala eipa nwritera pws eisai apo aytous pou pistevoun pws oi foitites, to mono pou kanoun einai na trwne ta lefta twn forologoumenwn, kai den exoun logo uparksis... Nai file mou, mazi sou... Oloi se ayti tin koinwnia prepei na eimaste apaideytoi kai stenomialoi san k sena!!


PS. Mporeis na psakseis OLA mou ta posts k na deis pws oute parektrepomai, oute prosvalw, alla pragmatika, ola osa eipa parapanw gia tin parti sou, me ekanes na ta pw me ayta pou grafeis!!!

Kai pali Gratz gia tis proodeytikes apopseis sou...

Kapoios parapanw milise gia ton pappou ton xafie k ton gerolada... Tinw na sumfwnisw...

BipBip
03-22-2007, 03:38 AM
blade1980vol4 na se rwthsw: exeis teleiwsei kapoia sxolh?

crzmanou
03-22-2007, 03:41 AM
Synexizeis na ekfrazeis geleies, kseperasmenes akrees apopseis... K deixneis pws den exeis tin aparaititi noimosini wste na katalaveis pws ta epeisodia den kanoun oi foitites, alla anarxikoi .... Akous ekei na mas sapisoun!!! Ti eimai egw re karagkiozi gia na me sapisoun? Paranomos? H epeidi eimai foititis k thewrisa aparaito gia tin zwi mou na mpw se ena anwtato idrima na mathw 5 pramata kai kuriws na ANOIKSEI TO MUALO MOU, kai na min ginw san k sena methavrio!!!!

ela mhn katantaei karamela "den ta kanoun foithtes ta episodeia alla anarxikoi" sou lew egw o idios eixa paei se poreia kai evlepa palikaria pou hmaste mazi sta amfi8eatra otan eixame ma8hma kai sthn idia ai8ousa otan eixame ergasthrio
to lete les kai oloi oi foithtes einai aggeloudia
edw peftei ksulo otan plhsiazoun oi foithtikes ekloges metaksu twn parataksewn 8a mou peis oti den kanoune oi foithtes episodeia?
nai de lew uparxoun atoma pou pane mono kai mono stis poreies gia na ta spasoun xwris na exoun kamia sxesh me thn ekpaideush kai xwris na tous afora idiaitera to olo 8ema (an kai olous eprepe na mas psiloapasxolei apofoitous-teleiofoitous-neoeisax8entes-klp)
proswpika de daixomai to epixeirhma "ma den ta kanoun oi foithtes ta episodeia" gt me ta idia mou ta matia exw dei pragmata kai 8aumata

sarcaster
03-22-2007, 04:17 AM
apla kai wraia exw mia gnwmh poly kalyterh apo thn dikia sou san tritos kai oudeteros

δεν πιστευώ ότι χρειάζεται να πεις τίποτα άλλο, τα είπες όλα

kathws sta paparia mou an zhsete h oxi kai prosopika tha ithela para poly na dwsoun to eleythero epitelous sta ekam na bgoun ston dromo na sas sapisoun sto ksilo kathws paraginate maw taw atoma

ελπίζω πραγματικά κάπου εδώ να κάνεις πλάκα



Κάποιοι εδώ μέσα βλέπετε πολύ TV. Σας παραθέτω μερικά πράγματα για να δείτε με τι ψέμα μας λούζουν όλη μέρα.

1)

Μας πρήξανε μια βδομάδα με το μνημείο του αγνώστου στρατιώτη. Και μάλιστα έλεγαν με πάθος (και μια και καλά συγκίνηση) ότι πρώτη φορά έγινε κάτι τέτοιο στην Ελλάδα.
Η αλήθεια? πρωί 26ης Νοεμβρίου 1998 σε πορεία για την τότε εκπαιδευτική μεταρρύθμιση επίθεση 2 ατόμων με μολότωφ κατά των φυλακίων. Πολύ σοβαρότερη περίπτωση αφού στόχος ήταν το ίδιο το μνημείο και η Βουλή.

Τότε
α) δεν ασκήθηκε ποτέ (όπως τώρα) δίωξη σε βαθμό κακουργήματος
β) δεν επισκέφτηκε τότε το μνημείο αντιπροσωπεία του ΠΑΣΟκ( ή της τότε αντιπολίτευσης της Ν.Δ.) για να καταθέσει λουλούδια (!!!)
γ) δεν πέρασε καν από το μυαλό του τότε πρωθυπουργού να κάνει ειδική δήλωση για το θέμα
δ) η υπόθεση δεν έφτασε ποτέ στην Βουλή

2)

Η κυβέρνηση κι ο Πολύδωρας υποστήριξε ότι ουδέποτε έχουν παραταχθεί τα ΜΑΤ μπροστά απ' το μνημείο.
Η αλήθεια??? αυτό είναι συνηθισμένη πρακτική της αστυνομίας κι έγινε και πρόσφατα στις 10 Ιανουαρίου 2007 όταν συζητιόταν η αναθεωρηση.


Σας αφήνω να σκεφτείτε γιατί άραγε και τότε και τώρα 2 άτομα πάνε καθαρά για να κάψουν το φυλάκιο.
Ποιον συμφέρει αυτό??? Μα φυσικά την κυβέρνηση για να πάρει με το μέρος της (με την βοήθεια των ΜΜΕ) τους "αγανακτισμένους" πολίτες.


Αυτά τα λίγα για να πάρετε μια γεύση της εικονικής πραγματικότητας με της οποίας τα ερεθίσματα δημιουργείτε επιχειρήματα.
Τα επιχειρήματα αυτά δεν είναι δικά σας
σας τα χώσαν στο κεφάλι γιατί έτσι τους βολεύει

Raspoutin
03-22-2007, 04:32 AM
Re mages parte to xampari...h aristera kanei koumanto sthn ekpedeysh oso kai an to theloume h oxi....an thelei h papariga kai o alavanos ayrio einai anixta ta panepistimia. Oti poun aftoi ginetai...to kako den einai ayto omws to kako einai oti an poun aftoi oti to tade arthro sas adikei oi perissoteroi san zwa oute pou tha to elenxoun...tha klisoun tis sxoles kai tha katevoun se pories gt etsi tous eipe to boss.

Lypamai giati h aristera sthn ellada exei mia teleiws lahtos opsh twn pragmatwn..mages o Marx den exefraze teties apopseis...xypniste!!!!

no offence, alla gia na les kati tetoio, apla den exeis idea ti ginetai sta panepistimia.
kai na vgei me ntountouka i papariga legontas na stamatisoun oi katalipseis, polu liges tha anoiksoun. gia ton alavano asto kalutera, apla den uparxoun. H aristera stin Ellada den exei sxesi me kke kai sunaspismo. To foititiko kinima episis den exei kamia sxesi me to kke i kapoio allo komma.

crzmanou
03-22-2007, 05:12 AM
sarcaster den einai kati kainourio oti ginetai propaganda
h propaganda htan, einai kai 8a einai apo ta dunatotera opla (vlepe ton polemo sto Iraq)
ta MME den xarakthrixontai adikws 4 eksousia mas pernane apeira mhnumata klp klp gia polles kai diafores katastaseis
o kosmos 8a ma8ei apo ta MME an gurizane ola ta mesa tupos-radio-tv-klp kai legane oti ta idia ta mat valane fwtia sto mnhmio oi perissoteroi (an oxi oloi) 8a to pisteuane, exoun ginei para polla peiramata panw sthn eksousia twn MME 8a h8ela na proxwrhsw ligo se kapoia mikrh analush alla einai perasmenh h wra kai den thn polupaleuw

blade1980vol4
03-22-2007, 08:56 AM
Gia ton prytanh +1!!
Gia ola ta ypoloipa -5641723894632798
Me thn logikh sou afth agori mou pragmati tha pareis ptyxio prin apo mena, pragmati tha vreis katlyterh douleia, otan egw tha xeskizomai na vrw leyta na zhsw esy tha xeis beba cabrio kai tha pineis sfynakia parea me 3 xantha xekwla se kapoio club! Krima gia mena pragmati pou otan vlepw thn vrwma thn geloiothta kai ena swro GLYWDEIS typous gyrw mou ...den mporw na katsw ston kanape mou kai na mhn kanw tpt, h isws na piasw filies mazi tous gia na exw cone ayrio na mou dinoun mizes apo ta dhmosia erga! An esy mporeis magia sou! Alla opws aytoi mia zwh tha gelan mazi mou pinontas chevas 18 me tous filous tous, etsi kai gw tha gelaw mazi tous pinontas ouzakia me tous dikous mou! Kai tha xw kai yshxh thn synhdhsh mou oti den pathsa epi ptwmatwn gia na anevw alla prospathisa estw kai ligo kati na allaxw! Oso gia ta ekam agori mou kai aytoi oi kakomoirhdes ypalhloi einai, Stratokayloi alla ypalhloi! Den ftaine aytoi! ESY ftais kai oloi osoi exoun thn nootrpia sou pou anexontai h symfwnoun me aythn thn katastash!!!
den xreiazetai na pathseis epi ptwmatwn allwste eite sto dhmosio eite se etaireia ama exeis vlepeis gia panw mono me thn douleia den aneveneis kai to ksereis kala ayto.....(genikh diatypwsh)
otan o prytanhs tou emp eixe vgalei programma gia na exoun kai aytoi enan pyriniko antidastira tou 1 kw gia ekpaideytekous skopous kai ayto ekane 4 ekk eyrwapo to 95 ksereis pou exei paei?.....
ksereis poosoi kathigites tha ksevoleytoun ama perasei to nomosxedio pou tha xasoun ta lefta tous kai den tha exoun na synthroun thn bmw x5? ksereis posoi exoun bmw?...tosa bmw den exei to ges milame kai ta exoun merikoi kathigites panepisthmiwn pou ousiastika einai lefta dika mou kai twn gwnion sas alla fysika oi kathigites to kanoun "gia sas"
oso gia thn teleytaia paragrafo to afhnw se sena dhladh ta mat den einai ypalhloi alla ta ekam einai dypo metra kai dyo stahma legetai ayto kai oi dyo ypakoun se entoles den kanoun tou kefaliou tous....(ayto htan to nohma)
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blade1980vol4
03-22-2007, 09:07 AM
Einai teleiws afthereto ayto pou les kai toulaxiston geleio... 2 eipan oti ton kseroun... Ksereis ti mou einai emena o Com ??? Mporei na eimaste mia parea, k na kseroume ta idia atoma. Kakomoiris deixneis me ola ayta apla...




Synexizeis na ekfrazeis geleies, kseperasmenes akrees apopseis... K deixneis pws den exeis tin aparaititi noimosini wste na katalaveis pws ta epeisodia den kanoun oi foitites, alla anarxikoi .... Akous ekei na mas sapisoun!!! Ti eimai egw re karagkiozi gia na me sapisoun? Paranomos? H epeidi eimai foititis k thewrisa aparaito gia tin zwi mou na mpw se ena anwtato idrima na mathw 5 pramata kai kuriws na ANOIKSEI TO MUALO MOU, kai na min ginw san k sena methavrio!!!!



Oxi forousan koukoules, k kadronia ta block twn foititwn, opws k oi 10 kopeles pou synelavan... Alla pinakides den eixan!



Ara kala eipa nwritera pws eisai apo aytous pou pistevoun pws oi foitites, to mono pou kanoun einai na trwne ta lefta twn forologoumenwn, kai den exoun logo uparksis... Nai file mou, mazi sou... Oloi se ayti tin koinwnia prepei na eimaste apaideytoi kai stenomialoi san k sena!!


PS. Mporeis na psakseis OLA mou ta posts k na deis pws oute parektrepomai, oute prosvalw, alla pragmatika, ola osa eipa parapanw gia tin parti sou, me ekanes na ta pw me ayta pou grafeis!!!

Kai pali Gratz gia tis proodeytikes apopseis sou...

Kapoios parapanw milise gia ton pappou ton xafie k ton gerolada... Tinw na sumfwnisw...
xmmm egw teleiwsa oti exei sxesh me to sxoleio file m.... tote me tis desmes you know
mhpws mia kopela apo aytes pou synelavan pou les htan me KRANOS? lew egw twra h me geloun ta matia mou?......
oi apopseis mou mia xara einai xwris aima pote den kerdisame kati antithetws xasame otan vgeis sthn agora ergasias se 4 xronakia etsi opws to pate tha deis oti den yparxoun dyo metra kai dyo stahma alla o dynatoteros epiviwnei
einai oi idioi pou aytoapokalountai ekposopoi twn foithtwn dhladh kapoioi apo esas tou exete dwsei dikaiwma na vgoun sthn tv kai na lene ta dikas tous kai telika na tsakwnontai gia thn pasp kai thn dap axaxaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxaxaxa na xara egw foitites
gia to prwto p.s sou den tha paw makrya sto prohgoumeno thrad gia ayto to thema me eixes vrisei enw egw oxi dioti apla den eixes kati na peis

p.s egw akomh perimenw apanthsh me epeixhrhmata kai oxi aerologies
kai na mhn klegese otan pareis to xarti sou kai sou exei faei hdh enas allos thn thesi :)
kathe sylalhthrio mono foithtes pane kai telika ektws apo tous gnwstous agnwstous varate kai eseis vevaia ena mikro pososto kai oi kopeles (merikes telws pantwn)exoun myalo kai den pane

kai na sou pw kai kati allo? oi kafeteries konta sto spiti mou kathe fora pou paw vlepw foithtries mono kopeles na diavazoun enw sxedon osa agoria exw dei pou einai se pan kathontai kai ta ksinoun na sas xarw mallon h triplh tha mpei poly valtheia kai tha xrwstate ta kerata sas huhu poios einai o stenomyalos?...
ena epeixhrima den exeis dwsei mexri twra........aerologies aerologies aerologies....

blade1980vol4
03-22-2007, 09:11 AM
blade1980vol4 na se rwthsw: exeis teleiwsei kapoia sxolh?
xreiazetai na teleiwsw mia sxolh?......mono se ena party tous na pas katalaveneis polla akoh kai ekei plakwnontai gia to pia parataksh exei tous pio pollous ekei mesa...........


oxi den exw kai oute prokeitai allwste den yparxei logos na to kanw an thelw douleia tha paw eksw na vrw gia na vgalw polla kai na pathsw epi ptwmatwn gia na anevw(xaaxxaxaxaxa)


paides oso pio grhgora synhdotoihsete oti den prokeitai na allaksei kati toso to kalytero allwste pate gia triplh eksetastikh you know......kai to 98% tha meinei apo esas to 2%einai kopeles pou diavazoun.....

LadyKiller7
03-22-2007, 09:33 AM
kai na sou pw kai kati allo? oi kafeteries konta sto spiti mou kathe fora pou paw vlepw foithtries mono kopeles na diavazoun enw sxedon osa agoria exw dei pou einai se pan kathontai kai ta ksinoun na sas xarw mallon h triplh tha mpei poly valtheia kai tha xrwstate ta kerata sas huhu poios einai o stenomyalos?...
ena epeixhrima den exeis dwsei mexri twra........aerologies aerologies aerologies....

re blade auto den einai aerologia ?

MPOUK
03-22-2007, 10:56 AM
den diabasa ta alla posts. apantaw xwris na 3erw ti exete pei.
49 atoma mesa. an ypothesoume pos to 1/5 einai athooi kai ta 4/5 einai opos synithos tous apokaloun tsoglanakia kai oti allo kosmitiko epitheto thelete. ayto shmenei xondrika 10 atoma pou den exoun kanei tipota na pernan olh ayth thn diadikasia.
thelete na to deite allios? pes oti estw kai 1 einai athoos. giati na perasei ayth thn taleporia?
den lew pos kai ti, den anaferome sto an h astinomia eknane kala h oxi, den lew poios kai ti ftaiei. lew pos estw kai enas na htan athoos den tha eprepe na perasei ola ayta.

se paleoterh poria gia to politexnio pou phge gnwsth mou thn dekaetia tou 90, meta apo prosagwgh ths gia e3akribosh ths feran leykh kola xarth gia na ypograpsei. den ypegrapse. ths dwsan mia filikh e3ipiretish me sfaliares kai 3ilo kai entelh meta apo kamposes wres thn afisan eleytherh.

KaFFiR
03-22-2007, 01:09 PM
Den prokeitai na synexisw na xaliemai akougontas tis sapies apopseis sou ...
Monos sou les, gia polemo entipwsewn kai gia to psema pou kerdizei panta...

Legontas pws den sou exw dwsei epixeirimata, prospatheis na kaneis tous upoloipous anagnwstes na pistepsoun pws esu epixeirimatologeis enw egw oxi. Dikaioma, kai magkia sou... Alla pali adiko exeis...

Kai gia na teleiwnoume... To arthro pragmatevetai kuriws tin sumperifora twn mpatswn, kai tis genikoteres anypostates katigories pou apodwthikan stous silifthentes.

1. OPOIOS KAI NA EXEI SULIFTHEI gia OTI kai na exei sulifthei, (poso mallwn nea paidia, pou stin XEIROTERH twn periptwsewn petaksan 2 petres - den sou lew pws petaksan, lew pws as thewrisoume pws petaksan) OFEILOUN na exoun kaluterh antimetwpisi apo tis arxes...

2. Ena akoma thema einai pws, synelifthisan merikoi FOITITES, pou oute eksoplismenoi itan kai sigoura DEN ITAN ta palikaria me ta kadronia tis molotof k tis antiasfiksiogwnes maskes... Giati den epiasan aytous, ta eidwla sou , oi tirites tis takseis ta mpatsakia, alla aoplous (thes k tsampoukalides, giati alloiws den anoigeis ta aytia sou?? - h mallon gia esena opoios pernaei sto panepistimio, metatrepetai aytomata se trampouko, aristero pioni twn kommatwn, pou thelei na katalisei to sustima mesw grammatwn sto internet) foitites...

Dystyxws einai arketoi apaideytoi anthrwpoi pou exoun tis dikes sou apopseis... Tolmw na pw malista pws oi exontes akadimaiki ekpaideysh spaniws (eytyxws) exoun apopseis paraplisies me tis dikes sou... Allh mia apodeiksi pws to panepistimio, PRWTA ANOIGEI TO MUALO, kai meta prosferei efodia gia ergasia... (teleytaia malista me tin anergeia, teinei apla na anoigei to mualo... Alla apoti fainetai einai polutimo kati tetoio... )

By the way, peran tis opoias kontras, prospathise na xrisimopoieis symeia stiksis... Einai idiaitera dyskolodiavasta ta keimena sou xwris ayta...

happyhippo
03-22-2007, 02:05 PM
arxika tha sas po oti meta tin 5i selida stamatisa na diavazo. exo omos mia erotisi (den einai oute eironiki oute tipota apla apo periergeia): oi foitites, pou pane se poreia gia na diadilosoun, otan vlepoun oti kapoioi arxizoun tis mlkies (aka mpaxaloi) gt den kanoun tpt? gt tous afinoun etc na tous xalasoun tin diadilosi?

pyro*
03-22-2007, 02:09 PM
1. OPOIOS KAI NA EXEI SULIFTHEI gia OTI kai na exei sulifthei, (poso mallwn nea paidia, pou stin XEIROTERH twn periptwsewn petaksan 2 petres - den sou lew pws petaksan, lew pws as thewrisoume pws petaksan) OFEILOUN na exoun kaluterh antimetwpisi apo tis arxes...


as thewrisoume oti ths petaksane opws les. ti tha tous paroume kai kammia pipa? ase re.

kai mh les gia anoixta myala apth stigmh pou oloi oi "antipaloi" sas paradexontai pws kai h astynomia kanei malakies enw eseis pote den exete pei "nai kaname malakia". Kai sthn telikh estw oti aytoi htan athwoi, kai oi 49, de sas vlepw na antidrate otan kammia molotof skaei sth mourh tou mpatsou pou anagkazetai na kanei oti kanei.

ta dikaiwmata twn foithtwn kai loipes malakies exoune katanthsei ahdia pia, mas exete priksei ta arxidia koinws. "agwnisou" oso thes, otan ta paidia sou tha exoun ta idia vivlia pou exeis esy twra na doume an tha sou aresei h paideia opws einai.

pyro*
03-22-2007, 02:10 PM
arxika tha sas po oti meta tin 5i selida stamatisa na diavazo. exo omos mia erotisi (den einai oute eironiki oute tipota apla apo periergeia): oi foitites, pou pane se poreia gia na diadilosoun, otan vlepoun oti kapoioi arxizoun tis mlkies (aka mpaxaloi) gt den kanoun tpt? gt tous afinoun etc na tous xalasoun tin diadilosi?


giati na tous stamatisoune? les kai tous noiazei o diplanos tous. les kai tous noiazei an o opoiosdhpote tha kaei zwntanos, les kai tous noiazei an tha spasoune to aytokinhto kanenos. diko tous den tha einai. 35 xiliades atoma pou ola koitane thn parth tous kai pws tha ksysoun ta @@ tous einai.

x_tenda_x
03-22-2007, 02:34 PM
giati na tous stamatisoune? les kai tous noiazei o diplanos tous. les kai tous noiazei an o opoiosdhpote tha kaei zwntanos, les kai tous noiazei an tha spasoune to aytokinhto kanenos. diko tous den tha einai. 35 xiliades atoma pou ola koitane thn parth tous kai pws tha ksysoun ta @@ tous einai.

Ναι εχεις απολυτο δικιο εγω πχ εχω σκεφτει απειρους τροπους να σταματησω ενα ανθρωπο που φοραει κρανος και κραταει ενα σιδηρολοστο στο ενα χερι και μια μολοτοφ στο αλλο αλλα δεν το εκανα επειδη οταν δεν ειναι ενας αλλα ειναι 100-200 ειναι πολυ ευκολο και ειμαι γεννημενος για τα δυσκολα... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/xtendax/wanking.gif

pyro*
03-22-2007, 02:36 PM
Ναι εχεις απολυτο δικιο εγω πχ εχω σκεφτει απειρους τροπους να σταματησω ενα ανθρωπο που φοραει κρανος και κραταει ενα σιδηρολοστο στο ενα χερι και μια μολοτοφ στο αλλο αλλα δεν το εκανα επειδη οταν δεν ειναι ενας αλλα ειναι 100-200 ειναι πολυ ευκολο και ειμαι γεννημενος για τα δυσκολα... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/xtendax/wanking.gif


einai 100 kai eiste 35000, mono otan einai oi mpatsoi kserete na klapsourizete kai na lete ma einai perisoteroi klaps klaps.

later.

happyhippo
03-22-2007, 02:40 PM
dld tenda les pos den kanoun tipota epeidi einai oplismenoi e? alla pane eno xeroune oti tha yparxoun tetoioi anthropoi pou tha xalasoun tin diadilosi. kai pali den kanoun tpt. alla pes dax den boroun na kanoun tpt, meta den akougete kanenas na tous katigorei.

x_tenda_x
03-22-2007, 02:43 PM
Πως φαινεται οτι το πιο extreme πραγμα που εχεις κανει ποτε σου ειναι να βγεις να παρεις τσιγαρα απο το περιπτερο ενω εβρεχε....
Οταν θα κατεβεις σε μια πορεια και θα δεις τι γινετε και τι κατασταση επικρατει θα καταλαβεις οτι επιοικως λες οτι να ναι.

Και στο κατω κατω κανεις δεν ειναι με αυτους που καινε αμαξια ανθρωπων και σαφως δεν γινετε αυτο σε πορειες,οταν ο αλλος θα παει να πεταξει μολοτοφ σε μια τραπεζα στ@@ μου ας της βαλει και βομβα σιγα μην σκασω κιολας.

Και πλακα εχει που πολλοι ειστε με τους μπατσους πως φαινεται οτι δεν εχετε ερθει ποτε αντιμετωποι με κομπλεξικο μικροτσουτσουνο ΜΑΤατζη που θα σε βαρεσει επειδη περναγες απο μπροστα του,για να μην μιλησουμε τωρα για καταστασεις σε κρατητηρια κτλ

Happyhippo που ειδες οτι κανεις δεν του κατηγορει?
Απο τις δηλωσεις 2-3 αριστερων του 1λεπτου που βγαζουν τα δελτια ειδησεων?
Ρωτησες εμενα? Τον αλλον? Τον παραδιπλα?

Σταματηστε να σχηματιζετε αποψη ΜΟΝΟ απο τα δελτια ειδησεων μην δειχνετε στον κοσμο που διαβαζει αυτα εδω ποσο πολυ προβατα εχετε γινει.

KaFFiR
03-22-2007, 04:01 PM
arxika tha sas po oti meta tin 5i selida stamatisa na diavazo. exo omos mia erotisi (den einai oute eironiki oute tipota apla apo periergeia): oi foitites, pou pane se poreia gia na diadilosoun, otan vlepoun oti kapoioi arxizoun tis mlkies (aka mpaxaloi) gt den kanoun tpt? gt tous afinoun etc na tous xalasoun tin diadilosi?

Me kalypse o tenda... Vres mou esu tropo na stamatisw ton Full Armed anarxiko, xwris na kindynepsw egw, k tha to kanw...

giati na tous stamatisoune? les kai tous noiazei o diplanos tous. les kai tous noiazei an o opoiosdhpote tha kaei zwntanos, les kai tous noiazei an tha spasoune to aytokinhto kanenos. diko tous den tha einai. 35 xiliades atoma pou ola koitane thn parth tous kai pws tha ksysoun ta @@ tous einai.

Re megale, k me poion tropo na tous stamatisoun oi 35000 ??? na tous lintsaroun mipws??? K stin teliki analysi, gia tous mpatsous, den zitame tpt idiaitero NA KANOUN SWSTA TIN DOULEIA TOUS... NA TA VALOUN AYTOI K OI ASPIDES TOUS, ME TOUS ANARXIKOUS POU KRATANE SFENTONES K MOLOTOF, K OXI na varane me to glop anapoda, kai me aytosxedies siderogrothies TOUS FOITITES POU KRATANE PANO, KA FWNAZOUN...
Papste na diamorfwnete apopseis apo deltia eidisewn, H toulaxiston deite deltia se diaforetika kanalia tin idia imera, mpas k apoktisete mia sfairikoteri apopsh! an esu enimerwnese apo to kanali tou LAOS, min mou les emena ti ginetai stis poreies...

Kati tetoioi eixan girisei prin 30 xronia k eixan pei "Mazeftikan 100 malakismena sto polutexneio, kai kanane ligaki fasaria"... :twak:

Romeo
03-22-2007, 04:16 PM
poli dakryvrexti istoria gia ta gousta mou.

oute oi astinomikoi ine oi kaliteroi alla oute kai ta kathe logis tsoglania pou katevenoun.kai min mou peite pws aftoi pou katevenoun stis poreies ine foitites giati oute ap'eksw den exoun perasei.

otan petane molotof stous astinomikous ine kala?
otan spane magazia ine kala?
otan kleinoun to kentro xwris na kseroun to logo kathodigoumenoi apo tin maza ine kala?

dld o astinomikos ti prepei na kanei otan vlepei mprosta tou enan oxlo pou kineite me sinthima to via stin via tis eksousias?

opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes.as kathotan spitaki tou opws oi ipoloipoi 45423523463256 foitites pou vlepoun ta eksamina na xanonte kai ta enoikia na trexoun na min pathene tpt.

eisai kala? den prepei na ksereis ti ginete mesa stis poreies giati pote den exeis katebei. katarxin poloi einai autoi pou einai stis genikes sineleuseis kai oi apofaseis gia katalipseis einai mazikotates. deuteron den einai mono autoi pou fonazounbia sti bia tis eksousias alla kai autoi pou fvnazoun dimosia kai dorean paidia eniaia anotati ekpaideusi.
se sumbouleuo na deis ti ginete genikotera me tous foitites kai pos katebainoun stin poria kai meta na milas.

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-22-2007, 07:25 PM
Autoi oi anarxokommounistes giati iparxoun??

_godfather_
03-22-2007, 07:28 PM
Autoi oi anarxokommounistes giati iparxoun??

0i anarxokommounistes san ideologoi i san AK ?

Count Demian
03-22-2007, 07:50 PM
arxika tha sas po oti meta tin 5i selida stamatisa na diavazo. exo omos mia erotisi (den einai oute eironiki oute tipota apla apo periergeia): oi foitites, pou pane se poreia gia na diadilosoun, otan vlepoun oti kapoioi arxizoun tis mlkies (aka mpaxaloi) gt den kanoun tpt? gt tous afinoun etc na tous xalasoun tin diadilosi?
Oi mpaxaloi opos aneferes (dn thelo na thikso ideologous anarxikous i antieksousiastes) pigainoun monoi tous stis poreies i poreia perifroureite einai ayto pou pianontai oloi xeri xeri kai dn afinoun kanena na mpei mesa sto block tous nomizo.
Episis dn exei ginei anafora stous asfalites ntimenous mpaxalous, gia koitakste a bit closer sto videaki me ton kiprio polla paraksena pragmata ginonta..
Kapoios as exigisi ligo kalitera tin ennoia tis perifrourisis se poreies..thx
Ayta

HoHoHo!!!
03-22-2007, 07:58 PM
Re Blade, ti skas toso gia to oikonomiko sou mellon???

O pappous sou o mavragoritis epi katoxis, k o babas o xafies epi xountas, den mazepsane arketo kompodema na exete k su k ta paidakia sou???

H' k ayoi san k sena den skeftikan katholou tous apogonous tous, opote, prepei k su me tin seira sou, na patiseis epi ptwmatwn opws eipes gia na vgaleis ta pros to zein... H mallon gia to EF ZHN!! (Sta @@ sou ayta pou eixe pei o Megaleksandros, "Ston patera mou ofeilw to Zhn, kai ston daskalo mou to Ef Zhn" )... Apedeyte...

KaFFiR
03-22-2007, 08:03 PM
Oi mpaxaloi opos aneferes (dn thelo na thikso ideologous anarxikous i antieksousiastes) pigainoun monoi tous stis poreies i poreia perifroureite einai ayto pou pianontai oloi xeri xeri kai dn afinoun kanena na mpei mesa sto block tous nomizo.
Episis dn exei ginei anafora stous asfalites ntimenous mpaxalous, gia koitakste a bit closer sto videaki me ton kiprio polla paraksena pragmata ginonta..
Kapoios as exigisi ligo kalitera tin ennoia tis perifrourisis se poreies..thx
Ayta

Stin thewria, kala einai ayta, k ontws einai enas kalos tropos perifrourisis poreias aytos!! OMWS... exw dei k anarxikous, nai men na min mpenoun sta block, alla na perpatoun eksw apo ayta... Aytoi, tin douleia tous tin kanoun me ton ena h me ton allo tropo... Mon merikes omades organwmenwn foititwn, katafernoun arketa kala na tous periorisoun... Alla den mporoun ek twn pragmatwn 30.000 atoma na einai toso organwmena oso aytes oi omades, me toso kalh perifrourisi...

happyhippo
03-22-2007, 08:24 PM
ayto pou leo ego den einai oti tha eprepe na tous stamatisoun gt einai poly logiko na min boroun. ayto pou leo einai oti kathe fora pou akouo kapoion na milaei gia mia poreia katigorei ta mat. edo tha po oti nai, symfono, oi matatzides einai malakes (i pleiopsifia). oi misoi apo aytous pou theloun xilo ginontai mpaxaloi kai oi alloi misoi pane sta mat. thelo na katalixo sto oti oloi milate gia ayto monomeros. kanenas den leei: nai, kaname tin tade mlkia...anti loipon na prospathoume na allaxoume tous allous, as ginoume prota kalyteroi oi idoi (kai min pei kaneis oti theorei ton eayto tou teleio, tha ginei rezili)... as toniso episis po DEN eimai kata twn poreiwn kai twn diadilosewn, kathos einai to meson ypostirixis twn dimokratikwn dikaiomatwn. episis na toniso pos den ypostirizo tin astynomia sto synolo (kathoti i pleiospifia apoteleite apo malakes) alla me enoxloun oi genikeyseis. opos kai na to kanoume yparxoun ilithioi. kapoioi apo aytous ginontai matatzides aki kaneis den borei na kanei kati gia ayto...
ps.an to "Πως φαινεται οτι το πιο extreme πραγμα που εχεις κανει ποτε σου ειναι να βγεις να παρεις τσιγαρα απο το περιπτερο ενω εβρεχε...." pigene se emena exo na toniso pos den kapnizo :P. sovara tora ayto gia to "otan pao se poreia" nai tha allaxo gnomi, alla sou exigisa oti den pistevo pos tha borousan na tous stamatisoun (an kai tha eprepe, den ginete) alla na min pernaei sto etc... gt eilikrina den exo akousei kanenan apo aytous pou vrizei ta mat na pei esto kati arnitiko gia tous mpaxalous. den leo oti tous ypostirizoun, apla kanenas den anaferei kati (Arnitiko toulaxiston) gia aytous. kai oxi den vasizomai mono sta deltia eidiseon (ta opoia pleon kai apo prosopiki empeiria lene oti nanai...oxi oti den ixera oti etc itan, gia na min parexigoumaste)

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-22-2007, 08:36 PM
Re Blade, ti skas toso gia to oikonomiko sou mellon???

O pappous sou o mavragoritis epi katoxis, k o babas o xafies epi xountas, den mazepsane arketo kompodema na exete k su k ta paidakia sou???

H' k ayoi san k sena den skeftikan katholou tous apogonous tous, opote, prepei k su me tin seira sou, na patiseis epi ptwmatwn opws eipes gia na vgaleis ta pros to zein... H mallon gia to EF ZHN!! (Sta @@ sou ayta pou eixe pei o Megaleksandros, "Ston patera mou ofeilw to Zhn, kai ston daskalo mou to Ef Zhn" )... Apedeyte...

Mallon san tous dikous sou pou skeutontousan monaxa to Zbntouink! Kapws etsi se silabane kiolas fantazomai, ksereis esi se kamia strofi koutoulisane kai ksetripwses :)

AZXD3333
03-22-2007, 10:47 PM
Ka8e fora ta idia..oi kakoi mpatsoi,oi a8woi foithtes,oi mpaxaloi pou krubonte,epeisodia,antisuntagmatikes katalhpseis,kommata...H paideia pou einai?a nai 3exasa gia thn paideia ginonte ola auta..ok.

x_tenda_x
03-23-2007, 12:10 AM
"Πως φαινεται οτι το πιο extreme πραγμα που εχεις κανει ποτε σου ειναι να βγεις να παρεις τσιγαρα απο το περιπτερο ενω εβρεχε...." pigene se emena exo na toniso pos den kapnizo :P.

Oχι στον Pyro πηγαινε

pyro*
03-23-2007, 02:04 AM
Oχι στον Pyro πηγαινε


Den kserw pws tha sou fanei alla kai se poreia exw paei. Antipolemikh. Mia moufa kai mish htan. Ayto pou einai aksio aporias einai pws paaaanta ginontai fasaries mono stis foithtikes enw oloi oi koukouloforoi einai asfalites kai den ginontai k stis alles poreies.

Nai loipon einai alithia, oloi misoume tous foithtes, eiste ta scapegoats mias terastias plektanhs. Exoume prohgoumena kai theloume na sas pagideysoume. Olos o kosmos asxoleitai mazi sas. Oloi sas misoune. Isws kai na sas parakolouthoun me doryforous kai korious.

Lucius
03-23-2007, 03:19 AM
1on) sti diki mou sxoli toulaxiston oi fainomenika sineiditopoiimenoi politika einai metrimenoi sta daxtila, ti zimia (enoontas to kleisimo-anoigma tis sxolis, parte oto sas simferei) tin ekanan oi protoeteis opou i einai ipervolika poromenoi kata tou arthrou 16 i einai "ouaou katalipsi = diakopes". pare kai katalave meta poioi apofasizoun gia to mellon mas, i dap me ta party tis i oi ipoloipoi me tous agonistikous xairetismous tous.

2on) oi katalipseis arxisan sto politexneio epi epoxi xountas kai kala ekanan. simera pou exoume dimokratia den nomizete pos iparxei kai pio dimokratikos tropos diamartirias? einai dikaioma sou na diamartiritheis, opos einai kai tou allou na kanei mathima omos.

3on) stis poreies den pigaino giati den me ekfrazei autos o tropos diamartirias, opote den mporo na krino gia to ti ginetai. opos proanaferthike polloi mpatsoi einai moggoloi alla kai pollon diadiloton ta thelei o kolos tous. ti vgike omos re paidia me 3 mines poreies? idrose to auti tis mariettas i kanenos allou?

4on) paidia pou theloun na teleiosoun giati einai apo kipro - kriti klp, ti xrostane oi goneis na plironoun extra enoikia, i na einai sinexeia se epagripnisi pote tha teleiosei i katalipsi? einai merikoi pou exoun xrimata kai mporoun na anteksoun auta ta eksoda, einai kai oikogeneies tis eparxias pou poulane xorafia gia to gamoptyxio tou paidiou tous. kai an oi agones ginontai gia na exei mia aksia to ptyxio, poios pistevei pragmatika pos tha anavathmistei i paideia otan teleiosei olo auto?

5on kai kleino) oi dromoi pou kleinoun gia psillou pidima exei katantisei kathimerino fainomeno. prepei na katalavoume pos iparxoun kai alloi anthropoi pou DEN TOUS NOIAZEI I PAIDEIA kai einai dikaioma tous auto. giati na talaiporountai kathimerina gia logous pou den tous aforoun.

signomi gia tin ekthesi, kai pragmatika anoiksoun-kleisoun to giali ragise pleon, varethika

_godfather_
03-23-2007, 10:36 AM
μάλιστα .. δηλαδή η παιδεία είναι καθαρά φοιτητικό θέμα και οχι καθολικού ενδιαφέροντος . . . Τι μαθαίνει κανείς σε αυτά τα forums. Αδυνατώ να μετρήσω την θρεπτική αξία αυτών των δέκα σελίδων σκατολογίας και άφθονης παραδοχής του πόσο μέλι γάλα με την χούντα τα χαμε και τα χουμε. Όσο για κάτι τύπους που έχουν αμφιβολία για το αν ο φοιτητάμπουρας ήταν ανεξάρτητος τους διαβεβαιώ εγώ σε αυτό. Αν ήταν τσοπάναρεος Κνίτης θα είχε αποφυλακιστεί και θα του είχαν κάνει και στοματικό έρωτα οι αστακοί της ΓΑΔΑ... Εξάλλου αυτά τα σκυλιά έχουν πάντα τις καλύτερες σχέσεις μεταξύ τους. Τους έδωσαν λουλούδια κάτι φοιτητές απ΄την θεατρική ομάδα ειρωνικά πάντα και για την μηνιαία αλητεία των ΜΜΕ περί κουκουλοφόρων και για την ασφαλιτολαγνεία των κνιτόσκυλων. Αλλά κρίμα .. εγώ ούτε λουλούδια απο νεκροταφείο δεν θα τους έδινα! Έγιναν σκατά και αυτά, καθώς έχουν το μοναδικό χάρισμα ότι αγγίζουν να γίνεται σκατά. 0 Μίδας δηλαδή σε πιό - φιλική προς τα κόπρανα - έκδοση.. Που κατέληξαν τα λουλούδια κύριοι; .. στο ΠΑΤΩΜΑ βέβαια. που αλλού, εκεί όπου κατέληξαν και τα λουλούδια που τους δόθηκαν στην αντιπολεμική. Αλλά οι ζαρντινιέρες δεδν μυρίζουν έτσι τυχαία .. 5 1/2 χρόνια λοιπόν από ισόβια κάθειρξη ο μπάτσος που έφαγε το παλικάρι στο Ηράκλειο και αυτό μετά από αρκετό καιρό. Ελληνική δικαιοσύνη και εφόσον η ελλάδα είναι η χώρα μηδέν κατ'επέκταση είναι και η δικαιοσύνη μηδενική. Μην ανησυχείτε .. Έρχονται και τα βάζα στρουμφάκια μαζί με τα λουλούδια που πήρατε. Άντε και πάλι συγχαρητήρια. Καμιά δουλεία δεν είναι ΝΤΡΟΠΗ .. ΜΠΑΤΣΟΣ!

MyTHoS_
03-23-2007, 12:24 PM
kai gia poion logo na tous petaksoun eksw apo thn poreia?Epeidh diafwnoun me thn praksh pou kanoun aftoi oi "mpaxaloi"?Kai sto katw katw poios einai aftos pou orizei tis praktikes tou foititikou kinhmatos?Ama den htan aftoi oi mpaxaloi stis 8/3 8a sas elega egw an 8a eixe katalhpsh kamia sxolh twra..Oles oi paratakseis 8elane na to kleisoun gia ekloges prin to pasxa.Den yposthrizw aftous pou eseis apokaleite mpaxalous-to anti8eto einai polles oi fores pou exw diafwnhsei me tis praktikes tous.Afto omws den shmainei oti an eimai se mia alysida den 8a tous afhsw na mpoune mesa sto block.Giati den 8ewrw oti ama tous piasoun oi mpatsoi "8a ma8oun na mhn ta ksanakanoun".Ektos kai an nomizete oti oi fylakes exoun anamorfwtiko xarakthra.
An den htan aftoi oi "mpaxaloi" 8a kaname apo to kalokairi mexri twra kai gamw tous peripatous.San ex8es me th vroxh.8a eixame kai tis gamates sygkrouseis twn eaak kai to foititiko kinhma 8a ginotan xeimaros. Aftoi oi "mpaxaloi" pou anaferete toses selides einai aftoi pou spane kai tis kameres kai o kosmos xeirokrotaei.Kai sto katw katw poios 8a krinei ti epi8ymei kai ti den epi8ymei to foititiko kinhma?An epi8ymei h oxi na kaei mia kamera,h to mnhmeio, h na pesei petropolemos.Mhn akouw loipon ekfraseis tou styl "na mhn tous afhnoume na mpoune sto block".Aftes einai logikes twn knitwn pou to 98 paredwsan san kala paidia 150 atoma sthn astynomia epeidh diafwnousan me tis praktikes tous.

ksanalew oti den yperaspizomai tis praktikes twn "mpaxalwn".
oson afora to an h ekpaidefsh einai eyrhtero zhthma h mono foititiko zhthma einai apla asteio na 8ewrei kapoios oti h ekpaidefsh afora mono tous foitites.Giati se mia allagh enos paragonta diamorfwshs tou synolou pou leme koinwnia de nomizw pws exoun logo mono oi foithtes. Dhladh otan lene oti 8a pairnoume syntaksh sta 65 afto afora mono tous syntaksiouxous? H koinwnia den apoteleitai apo aneksarthta kommatia opws paideia,oikonomia klp. Ola afta ta kommatia pou eseis 8ewreite aneksarthta einai sthn pragmatikothta kommatia tou pazl pou leme koinwnia. Giati loipon den asxoleitai o kosmos me ena toso shmantiko 8ema opws h ekpaidefsh(giati paideia den yparxei) alla adiaforei?Giati o atomikismos kala kratei. Mono ama ginei enas polemos 8a katalavete ti lew.8a ginei afto pou egine sthn amerikh me ton tyfwna katrina opou gynaikes pou to spiti tous eixe dialy8ei, eprepe na sthsoun kwlo gia na vroun mia stegh na meinoun kai na mhn pe8anoun apo ton tyfwna h apo to strato pou pyrovolouse opoion evgaine eksw apo to spiti tou meta tis 9. Kai ama h gynaika den esthne kwlo thn petagane eksw kai thn afhnane na pe8anei epeidh den tous ikanopoihse. Afto einai atomikismos kyrioi alla epeidh den exei er8ei akoma h krisimh periodos, 8ewreite oti to fainomeno ths adiaforias einai logw elef8erias tou atomou. Mono pou den einai giati o an8rwpos zei sto diko tou mikrokosmo pou apokaloume atomo. Sta @@ tou pragmatika oloklhrh h koinwnia. Aftos na einai kala kai as ta vlepei sthn thleorash trwgontas souvlakia. Alla prepei na ginei kati krisimo gia na deite to apokoryfwma tou atomikismou pou exei toso kala ekolaf8ei se oles sxedon tis koinwnies.

_godfather_
03-23-2007, 03:50 PM
Giati ka8esai kai to sizitas to 8ema ka8e fora. Einai pleon geogonos oti kaneis den pei8ei kanenan. Gama to pia, grapse tous kai esi ekei pou tous grafw kai egw kai alloi omoideates. Kouventa ginetai otan exeis na apokomiseis kati apo aftin. Epoikodomitikos dialogos einai aftos pou anexetai thn diaforetikothta kai prow8ei thn sigkrousi apopsewn pote omws me atoma pou agnooun kai paravainoun tis arxes tou. Koinws me iparktous an8rwpous kai oxi kanibalous - dh8en dianooumenous pou xafnika apo to pou8ena sa tin miga sta skata bre8ikan na asxolountai me ta koina kai na ekferoun gnomi gkoux .. xountikwn .. Milas dld me atoma pou mas anaferoun ws apeili gia thn "dhmokratia" tous. Krima pou oi roloi einai antistrofoi... Episis kapou eide to mataki mou oti aftoi pou ta spane einai antieksousiastes / anarxikoi kai tpta allo. Akous afto to prama kai exeis orexi kai dia8esi na sinexiseis tin kouventa ? Xara sto kouragio sou, mlkia kat'eme. Kali sinexeia!

MPOUK
03-23-2007, 06:07 PM
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από µεταφορέας 8:44µµ, Σάßßατο 10 Μαρτίου 2007
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To: Anna Panagiotarea - anpan_2190@jour.auth.gr (anpan_2190@jour.auth.gr)
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Χωρίς σχόλια

Αγαπητή Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα.

Σας απευθύνοµαι ως µέλος της ακαδηµαϊκής κοινότητας που είστε, και συγκεκριµένα σαν Αναπληρώτρια Kαθηγήτρια στο Αριστοτέλειο Πανεπιστήµιο Θεσσαλονίκης, µία θέση που συνεπάγεται δηλαδή την µονιµότητα.

Kαι παίρνω αφορµή επειδή σας ßλέπω συχνά-πυκνά καλεσµένη στην εκποµπή του κ. Γιάννη Πρετεντέρη για τα θέµατα της παιδείας.

H επιλογή του κ. Πρετεντέρη να σας καλεί είναι εξαιρετική.

Αναρωτιέµαι πότε θα την εκµεταλλευτεί κάποιος επιτέλους, καθώς η παρουσία σας σε τέτοιες συζητήσεις Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα είναι η πλέον κατάλληλη για να αποκαλυφθεί η παθογένεια του Eλληνικού Δηµόσιου Πανεπιστήµιου, και το χάλι στο οποίο έχει περιέλθει.

Bλέπετε Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα, το Eλληνικό πανεπιστήµιο πάσχει πρώτα από όλα όχι γιατί οι φοιτητές κάνουν καταλήψεις. Πάσχει γιατί δε µπορούν να σεßαστούν ένα πανεπιστήµιο όπου κάποια σαν και εσάς, χωρίς σηµαντικά ακαδηµαϊκά προσόντα, χωρίς ερευνητικό έργο, χωρίς διεκπεραίωση τον ßασικών υποχρεώσεων που έχετε απέναντι στο πανεπιστήµιο, κατέχει µόνιµη θέση καθηγητού σε αυτό.

Θα αναρωτιέστε µε ποιο δικαίωµα σας απευθύνω τον λόγο.

H απάντηση Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα είναι ότι πρώτα από όλα µε τους φόρους µου πληρώνω τους τρεις µισθούς σας – τον πρώτο στο δηµόσιο πανεπιστήµιο, τον δεύτερο στην δηµόσια τηλεόραση (http://anamartitos.ert.gr/), την E ΡT , τον τρίτο στο Δηµοτικό Ραδιόφωνο της Αθήνας (http://www.athina984fm.gr/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=52&page_id=108). (T ον τέταρτο µισθό σας τον πληρώνει το Ίδρυµα Ωνάση).

Kαι επιπλέον όπως εσείς διατηρείτε το δικαίωµα να κρίνετε τους φοιτητές εγώ ως πολίτης έχω το δικαίωµα να κρίνω εσάς.

Tην αφορµή µου την δίνει η προκλητική και θρασύτατη παρουσία σας στα τηλεοπτικά πάνελς ως τιµητού της κατάστασης στην οποία έχει περιέλθει η παιδεία στη χώρα µας, όταν εσείς είστε το χαρακτηριστικότερο αίτιο.

Kαι εξηγώ:

Eπισκέφθηκα τον διαδικτυακό τόπου του πανεπιστηµιακού τµήµατος στο οποίο διδάσκετε και µόνη εσείς από όλους τους διδάσκοντες (http://www.jour.auth.gr/fdidaktiko.html)δεν αναφέρετε ούτε το αντικείµενο του διδακτορικού σας, ούτε τις δηµοσιεύσεις σας, ούτε την έρευνα την οποία πραγµατοποιείτε;

Γιατί Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα;

Eίναι µυστικά;

Γιατί η ακαδηµαϊκή κοινότητα να µη γνωρίζει την σηµαντική συνεισφορά σας στην επιστήµη την οποία απαιτεί η καθηγητική καρέκλα που καταλάßατε;

Πείτε µας λοιπόν κυρία Παναγιωταρέα, ποια είναι η ερευνητική δουλειά µε την οποία ασχολείστε στην παρούσα φάση;

Σε ποια έγκυρα περιοδικά του εξωτερικού έχουν δηµοσιευθεί εργασίες σας; Για να µην µπερδευτείτε, δεν εννοώ τα άρθρα σας στις εφηµερίδες. Δεν εννοώ το µυθιστόρηµα µας και το ßιßλίο συνέντευξη ενός πολιτικού προσώπου. E ννοώ αυτά τα επιστηµονικά περιοδικά (refereed scientific journals) στα οποία η δηµοσίευση περνάει από κρίση από µέλη της ακαδηµαϊκής κοινότητας, (το λεγόµενο peer review system) και ßάσει των οποίων η διεθνής ακαδηµαϊκή κοινότητα κρίνει τα µέλη της.

Ποιες από τις εργασίες αυτές υπάρχουν στο "Citation Index", τον κατάλογο εκείνο που παρουσιάζει εργασίες άλλων επιστηµόνων που αναφέρονται στο δικό σας επιστηµονικό έργο;

Πόσες διδακτορικές εργασίες έχετε επιßλέψει από τότε που γίνατε καθηγήτρια και που ßρίσκονται οι διδακτορικοί φοιτητές σας σήµερα;

Mε ßάση ποιο επιστηµονικό έργο εκλεγήκατε στην ßαθµίδα του µόνιµου καθηγητή στο δηµόσιο πανεπιστήµιο;

ποιο είναι το θέµα του διδακτορικού σας και που το εκπονήσατε; Που δηµοσιεύθηκαν τα αποτελέσµατα του; Πώς προχώρησε την επιστήµη;

Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα, όταν ßγαίνετε στην τηλεόραση οι τηλεθεατές δεν είναι όλοι ανόητοι όπως εσείς πιστεύετε.

Mερικοί από αυτούς έχουν αποκτήσει και διδακτορικό, έχουν διδάξει σε πανεπιστήµια του εξωτερικού, και γνωρίζουν τη σκληρή, επίµονη, ανελέητη διαδικασία που χρειάζεται για να ανέßει κάποιος τις καθηγητικές ßαθµίδες.

Απαιτείται κουραστική και χρονοßόρα έρευνα, δηµοσίευσή της σε έγκριτα περιοδικά, παρουσίασή της σε συνέδρια, επίßλεψη διδακτορικών εργασιών και ερευνητικού έργου, διδασκαλία σε µεταπτυχιακό επίπεδο και προπτυχιακό επίπεδο (δηλαδή προετοιµασία παραδόσεων, διορθώσεις εργασιών, ßαθµολόγηση εξετάσεων κλπ). Ακόµα και για καθηγητές πανεπιστηµίου που έχουν αποκτήσει τα διδακτορικά τους από πανεπιστήµια τα οποία ßρίσκονται στη διεθνή κατάταξη πολύ υψηλότερα από ότι αυτό στο οποίο έχετε σπουδάσει εσείς, δηλαδή για επιστήµονες µε τεράστιο ταλέντο και µεγάλες επιστηµονικές επιδόσεις, οι απαιτήσεις της καθηγητικής καρέκλας απαιτούν όλο το χρόνο τους, όλη την ενέργειά τους, για πάρα πολλά χρόνια.

Eσείς όµως ζείτε στην Αθήνα, εργάζεστε σε τρεις (τουλάχιστον) διαφορετικές δουλειές εκτός του πανεπιστηµίου, γράψατε ένα µυθιστόρηµα, και ταυτόχρονα προσπαθείτε να µας πείσετε ότι εκπληρώνετε τις υποχρεώσεις σας στο Αριστοτέλειο Πανεπιστήµιο που ßρίσκεται σε µία άλλη πόλη από εκείνη που ßρίσκεται ο τόπος κατοικίας σας και της κύριας εργασίας σας, στη Θεσσαλονίκη.

Kαι αυτό που µε εκπλήσσει Δρ. Παναγιωταρέα, αυτό που µε θυµώνει ως πολίτη και ως µέλους της ακαδηµαϊκής κοινότητας είναι ότι όχι µόνο δεν κρύßεστε, αλλά επειδή έχετε το θράσος να ßγαίνετε στις τηλεοράσεις και να παριστάνετε την αγανακτισµένη µε την κατάντια του Eλληνικού πανεπιστηµίου, στην οποία πρώτη από όλους συνεισφέρετε εσείς.

Tο διαδίκτυο είναι ένα νέο µέσο διαλόγου και µετάδοσης πληροφορίας. Αν σας αδίκησα περιµένω την απάντησή σας την οποία θα δηµοσιεύσω χωρίς περικοπές αυτούσια στο blog

AZXD3333
03-23-2007, 08:22 PM
_godfather_ kathgoreis gia pollosth fora tous "allous" ws stenomualous,parwpides ferontes xountikous pou tous exeis grammenous sta @@ sou.Ti se kanei na pisteueis oti eisai kaluteros tous?
Kai gia teleutaia fora,oi "mpaxaloi" ti einai?Asfalites?Foithtes?Asxetoi?akraio anarxiko kommati?Etc opws ta lete,otan de sumfwneite me auta pou kanoun,"tous kanete" mpatsous,enw otan sumfwneite "ginonte" dikoi sas..(o MyTHoS_ toulaxiston mou to exei 3eka8arisei)

_godfather_
03-23-2007, 10:04 PM
_godfather_ kathgoreis gia pollosth fora tous "allous" ws stenomualous,parwpides ferontes xountikous pou tous exeis grammenous sta @@ sou.Ti se kanei na pisteueis oti eisai kaluteros tous?
Kai gia teleutaia fora,oi "mpaxaloi" ti einai?Asfalites?Foithtes?Asxetoi?akraio anarxiko kommati?Etc opws ta lete,otan de sumfwneite me auta pou kanoun,"tous kanete" mpatsous,enw otan sumfwneite "ginonte" dikoi sas..(o MyTHoS_ toulaxiston mou to exei 3eka8arisei)

nomizw pws eimai o prwtos pou exei te8ei iper twn praktikwn twn mpaxalwn, kati pou (thn skopimh kai simvoli via i antivia) kai o idios o Mpakounin ipostirize. Mesa stous koukouloforous dn mporeis na xereis ti iparxoun. Yparxoume emeis ws ipostiriktes tou anarxismou, iparxoun aektzides tis original, loipoi huliganoi kai asfalites. To na eisai twra anarxikos i hulliganos i to ena kai to allo den anairei tin pi8anotita na eisai kai foithths parallila. Dld aftos pou ferei koukoula einai apo ton Ari ? To exw pei den simfwnw me thn askopi via se mikra magazia kai alla periousiaka stoixeia an8rwpwn pou vriskontai stin idia katastasi me mena. H via pou epikrotw einai i via enantia stin exousia, tin kratiki katastoli kai ola ta alla ipoula orata kai aorata mesa pou epikaleitai gia na mas deixei to ti shmainei "dhmokratia". Koinws to kako kratos iparxei gia na diafilatei ta simferontatwn ligwn kai lissaei se ka8e prospa8eia amfisvitisis aftwn. Thewrw oti otan milame gia platies mazikes sigkrouseis kai gia exegersi ofeiloume na pratoume analoga kai einai apodedeigmeno oti an den pareis ena xalikaki sto xeri sou na xtipiseis tin exousia exegersi DEN kaneis. Twra eite einai huligkanoi eite ontws omoideates eite to ena eite to allo emena ena me endiaferei. Ston skopo mou me voi8ane eite pistevoun pragmatika afto p kanoun eite oxi. Kai pistepse me eimai apo tous prwtous pou otan ginei mlkia 8a trexw me alla pallikaria - syntrofous na tous mazepsoume kai na tous valloume ligo mialo gia thn opoia mlkia ekanan. Twra gia tous asfalites min ginesai strouthokamilos. Kai pes ante dn diavazeis indymedia ton Io tis eleftherotipias den ton eides ? Estw afto apo mia pleon pasokikh efhmerida.. Den kanw san asfalitolagnos opws kati tsopanareoi KNites alla otan den iparxei sigkrousiaki dia8esi kapws prepei na ikanopoih8ei i lissa twn skiliwn.

Den katatasw tous an8rwpous oute tous sigkrinw ( pera apo tous KNITES ). Otan omws akouw oti i kaliteri me8odos gia epitixia stin zwi einai i apati kai o dolos kai malista afto apo patera se gio katanow apolita pws exoume gemisei tosous roufianous, tosous pou lisan na pan sta swmata kai xanalew oti i xounta den teleiwse to '73. Koinws kataligw oti den 8eloume metarrithmiseis, giati i metari8misi den allazei ton fasismo tous. Aporithmisi kai xaos xreiazomaste gia na xtisoume mia koinwnia swsta me ta dika mas idanika ws eleftheroi anthrwpoi me mono 8eo thn allileggih kai vasi ton die8nismo kai thn aftodiaxeirisi. Na xehasoume epitelous afthn thn istoria ntropis kai roufianias pou kouvalaei i xwra mas, opws to idio 8a praxei kai ka8e xwra. As xehasoume tous germanotsoliades, pou twra kapoioi ourliazoun kai onomazoun BEBILWSI to filakio tou epopti sto proavlio tis boulis. Bebaia gt emeis ma8ainoume oti oi Ellines einai irwes kai pote dn deiliasan. Emeis tous misousame tous Nazi, alla tous germanotsoliades kollitaria twn hitlerikwn tous agapame .. <3 Pote i Ellada den einai to poutanaki tou Nato, pote ..Pote i Ellada den epraxe asxima itan panta allileggia xerontas mono na katigorei tis alles xwres pou tin paratisan tin kaimenoula. Kai pou na deis meta .. ai kala . ase. Thn xounta poso thn apexthanontan stin xwra ths dhmokratias tou sklabou. Na deis den ipirxan pou8ena roufianoi kai tagmatasfalites. Ipirxe mia risi kapote gia tous goneis pou epikrotousan tin xounta. " Mono otan skotwsoun kai ta paidia sas 8a vgeite apo ta klouvia sas!". Afta filika. Pes me loipon anistorito me thn seira sou opws gia pollosti fora 8a me peis. Ante!

Count Demian
03-24-2007, 03:43 PM
Ka8e fora ta idia..oi kakoi mpatsoi,oi a8woi foithtes,oi mpaxaloi pou krubonte,epeisodia,antisuntagmatikes katalhpseis,kommata...H paideia pou einai?a nai 3exasa gia thn paideia ginonte ola auta..ok.
Eixa kairo na akouso kati toso spoudaio,axd3333 apla mpravo

Coldeon
03-24-2007, 03:48 PM
Ama htan na paleyame gia kaliteri paidia Me tetoius tropous....asto kalitera.
Gratz kai apo mena AZDX ...

AZXD3333
03-24-2007, 10:51 PM
Thewrw oti otan milame gia platies mazikes sigkrouseis kai gia exegersi ofeiloume na pratoume analoga kai einai apodedeigmeno oti an den pareis ena xalikaki sto xeri sou na xtipiseis tin exousia exegersi DEN kaneis.

Mahatma Gandhi.

_godfather_
03-24-2007, 10:59 PM
Mahatma Gandhi.

thimise mou thn koinwnia sthn opoia zouse ... ;p

AZXD3333
03-25-2007, 06:40 AM
Agglikh apoikia.Den eixan oute plastikes sfaires,oute dakrugona tote..shoot to kill.

_godfather_
03-25-2007, 06:51 AM
Agglikh apoikia.Den eixan oute plastikes sfaires,oute dakrugona tote..shoot to kill.

opws eixan kai aganaktismenous apo tous apoikous katoikous, pou 8a dexontan thn anatropi kai epi8imousan tin epanastasi apenanti ston dinasti, ton koino ex8ro tous. To sistima omws den parousiazetai ws ex8ros alla ws filos kai distixws den apotelei koino ex8ro !

Tourgon
03-25-2007, 03:37 PM
Vasika sto paradeigma tu Gandhi to thema einai oti oi Indoi kateixan oles tis theseis paragwgis kai ousiastika stamatwntas apla na douleuoun (diladi xwris na xrisimopoiisun via) tus gamisan tus Agglus. Episis isxiei auto pu eipe o godfather, diladi oti eixan ethniki omoiogeneia kai itan enwmenoi enantia stus Agglus (oi opoioi stin sigekrimeni itan kai to sistima).

AZXD3333
03-25-2007, 10:31 PM
polu kala ta lete,alla den katalavate kai tpt(soz kiolas).O stoxos sas 8a eprepe na einai h enhmerwsh kai h afupnish twn upoloipwn(auto sunepagetai kai e3ugiansh tou xwrou sas) kai oxi o polemos enantia sto opoio "ka8estws" 8ewreite oti uparxei apo monoi sas,alla apo koinou.Diaforetika vlepeis ta apotelesmata,se 8ewroun ex8ro autoi pou esu 8es na "afupniseis"(gt apla adiaforeis gia thn apopsh tous),esu tous xleuazeis,peri8wriopoihse kai sto telos...na xame na legame...Poios 8a se parei sta sovara?
h 8a tous dwseis na katalaboun poios einai o koinos ex8ros,h ta paratas gt polu apla den exeis thn ikanothta h gt h pleiopshfia de sumfwnei mazi sou.Bia kai antiBia einai gia 3egkaulwma.

_godfather_
03-25-2007, 11:12 PM
polu kala ta lete,alla den katalavate kai tpt(soz kiolas).O stoxos sas 8a eprepe na einai h enhmerwsh kai h afupnish twn upoloipwn(auto sunepagetai kai e3ugiansh tou xwrou sas) kai oxi o polemos enantia sto opoio "ka8estws" 8ewreite oti uparxei apo monoi sas,alla apo koinou.Diaforetika vlepeis ta apotelesmata,se 8ewroun ex8ro autoi pou esu 8es na "afupniseis"(gt apla adiaforeis gia thn apopsh tous),esu tous xleuazeis,peri8wriopoihse kai sto telos...na xame na legame...Poios 8a se parei sta sovara?
h 8a tous dwseis na katalaboun poios einai o koinos ex8ros,h ta paratas gt polu apla den exeis thn ikanothta h gt h pleiopshfia de sumfwnei mazi sou.Bia kai antiBia einai gia 3egkaulwma.

gnomi sou. Egw sou lew oti aftoi pou skeptontai kai ligo einai simfwnoi me thn iparxi tou anarxikou xwrou (nai men ws antivaro stin ideologiki diapali, alla kai ws xwros swsths an8rwpinis zimwsis.. Epanalamvanw den imaste remalia, eimaste anrwpoi pou 8eloume na eimaste elef8eroi .. ) kai xeroun ti esti pragmatika anarxikos xwros alla kai poies oi en merei praktikes kai me8odefseis tou ( xanalew i antivia den einai koini epi8imia olou tou xwrou ). Koinws sou xanaepanalamvanw exw kanei akoma kai egw o idios apeires prospa8eies pei8ous, trikakia, afises, anakoinwseis, to ena to allo. Ginontai ka8imerina politismikes ekdilwseis apo thn plevra tou xwrou pou einai anoixtes gia olous. Loipon egw proswpika dn eida apotelesma.. Ara pali gnwmi sou kai gnwmi mou.

Tourgon
03-26-2007, 12:35 AM
To thema einai ti exei megalitero apotelesma. To na ta spas i to na pliroforeis? Kai otan den petixainei i pliroforisi, mipws to na ta spas einai apla i eukoli lisi? Pu den odigei puthena? Pu telika isws se merikes periptwseis na einai lathos?

pyro*
03-26-2007, 01:05 AM
gnomi sou. Egw sou lew oti aftoi pou skeptontai kai ligo einai simfwnoi me thn iparxi tou anarxikou xwrou (nai men ws antivaro stin ideologiki diapali, alla kai ws xwros swsths an8rwpinis zimwsis.. Epanalamvanw den imaste remalia, eimaste anrwpoi pou 8eloume na eimaste elef8eroi .. ) kai xeroun ti esti pragmatika anarxikos xwros alla kai poies oi en merei praktikes kai me8odefseis tou ( xanalew i antivia den einai koini epi8imia olou tou xwrou ). Koinws sou xanaepanalamvanw exw kanei akoma kai egw o idios apeires prospa8eies pei8ous, trikakia, afises, anakoinwseis, to ena to allo. Ginontai ka8imerina politismikes ekdilwseis apo thn plevra tou xwrou pou einai anoixtes gia olous. Loipon egw proswpika dn eida apotelesma.. Ara pali gnwmi sou kai gnwmi mou.


H prospathia omws den einai syllogikh. Kai polles fores den einai kai organwmenh. Proxthes ksereis pou hmoun? Sth synavlia gia thn enisxysh twn sylifthentwn. Den mporeis na dianohtheis ti legane atoma "tou xwrou". Ayto pou akousa kai epatha mounoplaka htan pou gyrnaei ena apta paidia pou htan ston pagko kai rwtaei ton diplano tou "telika ti egine re, perase o nomos?"

OH EM GEE.

Kserw pws isws na antitithetai stis ideologies sas, alla kalo gia sas tha htan na organwthei kati san "epitroph" h "enwsh" me enan pyrhna atomwn pou na enhmerwnontai kai na enhmerwnoun swsta kai oxi xleyazontas emas tous "allothriskous". Opws sou exw ksanapei arnoumai na akousw thn apopsh kapoiou pou vrizei ayto pou pistevw me skopo na traviksei thn prosoxh mou -- sthn prokeimenh periptwsh h arnhtikh diafhmhsh PARAMENEI arnhtikh, den einai show biz.

Feanaro
03-26-2007, 06:18 AM
To thema einai ti exei megalitero apotelesma. To na ta spas i to na pliroforeis? Kai otan den petixainei i pliroforisi, mipws to na ta spas einai apla i eukoli lisi? Pu den odigei puthena? Pu telika isws se merikes periptwseis na einai lathos?

Endiaferon thema.
Sigoura to na ta spas den einai lush. Alla pali h aplh plhroforhsh sigoura den arkei gia na allaksei suneidhseis. Skepsou oti o aplos anthropos zei se mia kathhmerinothta opou h pleiopsifia twn epirown tou droun pros thn antitheth kateuthinsh. H douleia tou, to kathimerino agxos kai oi upoxrewseis stis opoies prepei na antapekselthei, h psuxagogia tou kai h enhmerwsh tou droun anastaltika sthn diadikasia afth.
O poio apotelesmatikos tropos einai, kata thn gnwmh mou, na ton baleis sthn drash. Me mia apergies, katalhpseis, poreies etsi wste na diamorfwseis ena allo plaisio kai mia "kathimerinothta" diaferetikh apo thn sunhthismenh, estw kai gia ligo kairo.

Twra apokei kai pera, mias pou mpika sthn koubenta. Sxetika me to kommati twn "mpaxalwn" sumfwnw se genikes grammes me ton Mytho, an kai den tha diafwnousa ligo sto kommati pou apodidei se autous epituxies tou foithtikou kinhmatos.
Ektos apo tous probokatores, se kamia periptwsh den thewrw tous mpaxalous exthrous mou. To lew ksekathara kai thewrw teleiws lanthasmenh kai upokritikh thn antilhpsh pou probalei osous epilegoun thn sugkroush san to "problhma". Den uparxei antidrash xwris na exei prohghthei drash. Oi mpaxaloi einai meros auths ths antidrashs pou ekfrazetai me lanthasmeno tropo. Antidrash se mia koinwnikh katastash pou h anthrwpinh zwh apokta oloena kai mikroterh aksia mprosta sto kerdos kai tous oikonomikous sxediasmous twn "megalwn". Auto einai kati pou prospathoun na apokripsoun ta MME.
Loipon, thewrw thn poreia mia kinhmatikh diadikasia mesa sthn opoia ginontai politikes zhmwseis kai oxi ena pedio maxhs me ta MAT. Wstoso se kamia periptwsh den tha edina kapoion pou antidra enantia se auto pou antidrw ki egw sta MAT kai thn astunomia.
Den zw se enan oneiriko kosmo, kserw ton rolo ths astunomias.

Exw mia antilhpsh gia to pws leitourgei auto to susthma kai den htan ola kala kai wraia prin erthei to thema ths anathewrhshs tou arthrou..

MyTHoS_
03-26-2007, 10:55 AM
H prospathia omws den einai syllogikh. Kai polles fores den einai kai organwmenh. Proxthes ksereis pou hmoun? Sth synavlia gia thn enisxysh twn sylifthentwn.
Sto 8hseio?pws sou fanhke?:p
Den mporeis na dianohtheis ti legane atoma "tou xwrou". Ayto pou akousa kai epatha mounoplaka htan pou gyrnaei ena apta paidia pou htan ston pagko kai rwtaei ton diplano tou "telika ti egine re, perase o nomos?"rofl

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-26-2007, 11:15 AM
ε ναι ρε για χαβαλε πανε αφου το 90% ειναι ζωα απο δαυτους.

pyro*
03-26-2007, 03:43 PM
Sto 8hseio?pws sou fanhke?:p
rofl


Kala htane an kai den ekatsa poly, me eixe kopsei h lorda kai den eixa parei kai mpoufan o mlks kai to dagkwsa :P Oi oxra wxra den kserw pws legontai wraia mousikh, ligo fwnh prepei na ftiaksoune O.O

Tourgon
03-26-2007, 04:38 PM
Feanaro to thema einai oti oi poreies ginontai 1-2-3 kai op ginane kai autes sinithismenes. Edw xerw anthrwpus pu legane "aurio einai pempti den pairnw autokinito tha paw me to metro panepistimiu". To sinithizeis. O monos tropos na drastiropoiithei kapios einai na allaxei idiosigrasia, optiki, ideologia, tropo skepsis kai sinepws zwis. To sistima den einai kati to xeno, to sistima einai oloi, kai to sistima exei terasties dinatotites afomoiwsis. Apla diamorfonetai analoga me ta ekastote "thelw" twn anthrwpwn. O monos tropos na allaxei kati, einai na allaxun oi anthrwpoi, kai auto ginetai apo ton kathena atomika, me euthini atomiki diki tu, me eleutheria diki tu stin opoia den exei dikaiwma na epemvei kaneis. Kai auto mporei na ginei mono me pliroforisi. Akoma kai ean den allaxei tipota se oli su ti zwi, den exeis dikaiwma na paraviaseis tin eleutheria tu allu anagazontas ton ousiastika na adidrasei. Kai telika den petixainei auto.

AZXD3333
03-26-2007, 05:11 PM
gnomi sou. Egw sou lew oti aftoi pou skeptontai kai ligo einai simfwnoi me thn iparxi tou anarxikou xwrou (nai men ws antivaro stin ideologiki diapali, alla kai ws xwros swsths an8rwpinis zimwsis.. Epanalamvanw den imaste remalia, eimaste anrwpoi pou 8eloume na eimaste elef8eroi .. ) kai xeroun ti esti pragmatika anarxikos xwros alla kai poies oi en merei praktikes kai me8odefseis tou ( xanalew i antivia den einai koini epi8imia olou tou xwrou ). Koinws sou xanaepanalamvanw exw kanei akoma kai egw o idios apeires prospa8eies pei8ous, trikakia, afises, anakoinwseis, to ena to allo. Ginontai ka8imerina politismikes ekdilwseis apo thn plevra tou xwrou pou einai anoixtes gia olous. Loipon egw proswpika dn eida apotelesma.. Ara pali gnwmi sou kai gnwmi mou.

vlepeis otan o pateras mou akouge oti 8a paw se ekdhlwsh pou diorganwnetai apo anarxikous,mou elege "mh tuxon",3es gt?Gt evlepe ta kamwmata twn mpaxalwn sth thleorash,etc ena mikro paradeigma tou pws dinete dikaiwmata gia na sas "pare3hgoun" kai oi ekdhlwseis pou kanete na einai ena eidos prive party,afou amfivalw an 8a eperne kapoios thn oikogeneia tou na paei.
Proswpika eimai uper ths upar3hs tou anarxikou xwrou,alla se kammia periptwsh auths ths morfhs!

sta upoloipa sumfwnw me Tourgon.

_godfather_
03-26-2007, 09:28 PM
kai eixe tampelitsa anarxikos vre Pyro mou ?
I to 8ewrises esi apo to look. Giati allo Punkides kai allo anarxikoi. Polles fores vevaia simpiptei kai afto. Den exei simasia omws. Dld afto pou 8elw na katalavw einai to pws 8ewrises oti aftoi itan anarxikoi..

Loipon sinithws eparxies exoun anarxikous pirines p.x anarxikos pirinas Xalkidas, Volou klp klp. E twra athina kai thessaloniki p.x exoun kai pirines kai anarxikes sispeirwseis stekia, katalipseis, to ena to allo. Enimerwsi iparxei kai mesw tou diadiktiou kai mesw anarxikwn filladwn kai mesa apo ta diafora filladia pou eite moirazontai ston dromo eite stis sxoles. 8ewrw oti einai adinaton na exei meinei kapoios endiaferomenos animerwtos, poli apla mallon dn endiaferotan, gt mporei na epeses kai se hulligkano tis original xerw gw .

En telei azxd, den 8a allaxw egw tin simperifora mou. O Afthormitismos mou kai i eilikrineia stis praxeis mou einai to mono oplo pou exw gia na zw me axioprepeia. An afto o pateras sou kai esi to 8ewreis katakriteo, e tote einai katanoiti i 8esi sou oxi mono apenanti mas, alla kai apenanti se sena kai thn zwh sou.

pyro*
03-26-2007, 10:15 PM
kai eixe tampelitsa anarxikos vre Pyro mou ?
I to 8ewrises esi apo to look. Giati allo Punkides kai allo anarxikoi. Polles fores vevaia simpiptei kai afto. Den exei simasia omws. Dld afto pou 8elw na katalavw einai to pws 8ewrises oti aftoi itan anarxikoi...


Epeidh kserw 2 apo ta paidia ths pareas ekeinhs, kai einai apo to antieksousiastiko steki kapoias sxolhs.

_godfather_
03-26-2007, 10:40 PM
Epeidh kserw 2 apo ta paidia ths pareas ekeinhs, kai einai apo to antieksousiastiko steki kapoias sxolhs.

Kala sto xanalew oti dilwseis eisai edw. Polloi silogoi tis original p.x einai kai anarxikoi (kai kala). Twra pws enas anarxikos fanatizetai me thn mpala kai einai melos sillogou podosfairikis omadas . no one knows .

MyTHoS_
03-26-2007, 11:22 PM
kai epeidh den hksere?so what?provlhma tou.Malakia tou den lew alla ok mhn ftasoume se shmeio na leme oti kaneis den kserei ti tou ginetai opws h kalh mas magia..
@Azxd: profanws kai ginontai se orismena party malakies..Gia afto kai se polla party pleon yparxoun atoma pou perifrouroun thn ekdhlwsh kai einai etoimoi na epemvoun se ka8e periptwsh.Pantws egw sthn synavlia sto 8hseio pou egine thn paraskevh eida poly asxeto kosmo na arazei kai na parakolou8ei opws epishs kai pollous touristes me ta paidia tous.Profanws kai exoun ginei kai mpaxala se party klp klp alla den exoun ginei se ola.Kai einai panta analoga sthn krish tou ka8enos na genikefsei h oxi.To provlhma loipon einai oti o kosmos genikevei poly efkola.Fysika kai yparxei elleipsh plhroforhshs ston kosmo(imo panta).Pantws 8ewrw oti h yparksh pollwn stekiwn se sxoles symvalei 8etika sto na allaksei thn optikh pou exei o kosmos gia polla pragmata(oxi mono gia tous anarxikous.allwste den einai ola ta stekia anarxika).

AZXD3333
03-27-2007, 12:29 AM
@godafather,MyTHoS
einai fusiko enas aplos an8rwpos na genikeuei otan de gnwrizei,opote adika psaxneis to la8os stous allous,gt den apeu8unesai mono se osous endiaferonte,alla se olo to kosmo,prospa8eis na afupniseis th maza kai oxi autous pou gnwrizoun hdh.
MyTHoS o pateras mou(pisteuw o ka8e goneas) den ekrine vash autwn pou evlepe se kapoia ekdhlwsh,alla vash autwn pou evlepe sth T.V. apo tous mpaxalous.Yparxei terastia sugxhsh sto xwro kai auth vgenei pros ta e3w,anti8etws h plhroforhsh einai asteia.Ki egw otan upoula phga ton patera mou se sunaulia sto agalma tou Meg.Alexandrou sth paralia,aporouse pws htan dunato na einai anarxikoi autoi pou evlepe sth T.v.

_godfather_
03-27-2007, 12:59 AM
Tote den eixe apopsi. Giati gia na exeis apopsi prepei na ksereis kai apo pou pairneis afthn thn apopsi kai efoson den thn pire apo ton idio alla apo thn thleorash einai h apopsi tis tileorasis kai mono. Logiko einai mme kai kiverniseis - exousiastes na kataskevazoun mia koinwniki pragmatikothta, ena psema koinws. Se mia plasti koinwnia, h ali8eia einai alli mia fasi tou psematos. Prepei na to zhseis monos sou, na sinanastrafeis me tetoia atoma (anarxikous), na kateveis se poreies, na katanoiseis ton tropo skepsis tous. Alliws oles oi apopseis pigazoun apo kapou allou kai den einai dikes sou aftes ka8'aftes.

pyro*
03-27-2007, 01:19 AM
Tote den eixe apopsi. Giati gia na exeis apopsi prepei na ksereis kai apo pou pairneis afthn thn apopsi kai efoson den thn pire apo ton idio alla apo thn thleorash einai h apopsi tis tileorasis kai mono. Logiko einai mme kai kiverniseis - exousiastes na kataskevazoun mia koinwniki pragmatikothta, ena psema koinws. Se mia plasti koinwnia, h ali8eia einai alli mia fasi tou psematos. Prepei na to zhseis monos sou, na sinanastrafeis me tetoia atoma (anarxikous), na kateveis se poreies, na katanoiseis ton tropo skepsis tous. Alliws oles oi apopseis pigazoun apo kapou allou kai den einai dikes sou aftes ka8'aftes.



opws kai monos sou les omws o kathenas einai oti leei, synepws kai pali oi apopseis pou tha sxhmatiseis synanastrefomenos me opoion dhlwnei anarxikos einai oi apopseis pou sou epivlithikan apo aytous pou dhlwnoun anarxikoi, xwris aparaithta na einai "swstoi" an mporw na to pw etsi.

EDIT: @ Mythos. Den genikeysa, profanws polla atoma ekei gnwrizoune ti ginetai, alla alliws tha to dw egw (kai o opoios exei asxolithei sto elaxisto) --eite epeidh to exoume liwsei to thema edw eite epeidh tyxainei na gnwrizw diaforous tou xwrou-- kai alliws o perastikos pou arakse na dei ti paizei ekei. Den nomizeis?

_godfather_
03-27-2007, 01:36 AM
nomizw oti eisai ikanos na katalabeis poios exei apopsi kai poios oxi !

Feanaro
03-27-2007, 04:41 AM
Feanaro to thema einai oti oi poreies ginontai 1-2-3 kai op ginane kai autes sinithismenes. Edw xerw anthrwpus pu legane "aurio einai pempti den pairnw autokinito tha paw me to metro panepistimiu". To sinithizeis. O monos tropos na drastiropoiithei kapios einai na allaxei idiosigrasia, optiki, ideologia, tropo skepsis kai sinepws zwis. To sistima den einai kati to xeno, to sistima einai oloi, kai to sistima exei terasties dinatotites afomoiwsis. Apla diamorfonetai analoga me ta ekastote "thelw" twn anthrwpwn. O monos tropos na allaxei kati, einai na allaxun oi anthrwpoi, kai auto ginetai apo ton kathena atomika, me euthini atomiki diki tu, me eleutheria diki tu stin opoia den exei dikaiwma na epemvei kaneis. Kai auto mporei na ginei mono me pliroforisi. Akoma kai ean den allaxei tipota se oli su ti zwi, den exeis dikaiwma na paraviaseis tin eleutheria tu allu anagazontas ton ousiastika na adidrasei. Kai telika den petixainei auto.

Koita sxetika me auto pou les gia tis poreies, milaw kuriws gia osous summetexoun genika. Kai gia tous upoloipous to thewrw thetiko, aplws den exei thn idia epidrash.
Den diafwnw me auta pou les gia tous anthrwpous, aplws edw einai kai to olo thema. Pws tha allaksoun oi anthrwpoi. Kai edw apla nomizw oti xreiazetai kati poio isxuro apo thn plhroforhsh. Kai epeidh oi anthrwpoi diamorfwnontai kai apo to plaisio sto opoio zoune sigoura den mporeis na perimeneis na allaksei o kathenas apo monos tou. Giati to twrino plaisio den sumbalei sto na allaksoun pros thn kateuthinsh pou thes kai h plhroforhsh pou exeis thn dunatothta na parexeis einai sigoura polutimh kai aparaithth, alla adunamh mprosta ston kathe Pretenterh. Xreiazetai kati poio dunato, isws prwsopikh empeiria kai drash. Gi' auto kai anefera apergies kai katalhpseis giati, mporoun na "epemboun" sthn routina tou ergazomenou h foithth antistoixa, kai na dhmoiourghsoun ena diaforetiko plaisio erethismatwn.
Fusika den ennow na ton anagkaseis na mpei se autes tis diadikasies, ennoeitai.
Twra mhn nomizeis pws exw mia ksekatharh apopsh sto mualo mou, aplws mou edwses to erethisma gia suzhthsh. :)

Btw, auto pou les gia thn apokleistika atomikh euthinh einai epishs megalh suzhthsh kai mallon tha diafwnhsw.

Tourgon
03-27-2007, 08:27 AM
Vasika, to thema tis atomikis euthinis einai mia mperdemeni katastasi. Alla kalitera na mi to sizitisume auto to thema epeidi ki egw den xerw ousiastika ti pisteuw sto sigekrimeno.

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Pws tha simmetexun se autes tis diadilwseis/poreies/katalipseis/apergies? Gia na skeftun na simmetasxun kan tha prepei (to ligotero) na exun kapoies "adidrastikes" (pesto liberal, pesto euritero aristero xwro) apopseis.
Autoi pu den exun oute kan tetoies apopseis? I giagia pu exei eikonitsa tu Papadopoulou, o xrisaugitis, o karatzaferikos k.o.k ti ginontai? Epeidi milame gia edelws diaforetiki nootropia, imo diaforetiki adilipsi zwis.
Tlsp genika den exw kapoia kathari apadisi gia to pws allazun oi anthrwpoi pros to kalitero, alliws tha to lega ki apexw apto forum ;p

DaM0n
03-27-2007, 07:41 PM
file mou kathome ston kanape mou ksereis giati?epeidi kapioi den me afinoun na paw sta edrana na mathw afta pou thelw.epeidi kapioi apofasisan pws egw exw apleta lefta gia petama opote as plirwsw adika akoma enan xrono enoikia.epeidi kapioi kathodigoumenoi apo paratakseis kai kathigites apofasisan na valoun louketo agnoontas apofaseis genikwn sinelefsewn.
Gia ola afta kai akoma perissotero kapioi me anagazoun na katsw ston kanape mou.

Katevikane ,kapsane,fonaksane KAI?
ti katalavan?allakse tpt?OXI..alla etsi san zwa mia zwi se aftin tin koloxwra..oloi san kopadi oti mas poun.Kai otan erxete o astinomikos na epivalei tin taksh ginete o kakos kai ton krazoume.

Re den mas paratate me tin idia karamela kathe fora..xwris agwnes den ginete tpt..to 1821 perase an den to katalavate...oi epanastaseis telos...

Kai btw osoi grafoun se afto to thread exoun kanei ton kopo na diavasoun to arthro 16?
Kserete ti leei?kserete posoi ksevolevonte?apo kathigites mexri oso den paei..alla stin ellada ola afta den exoun simasia...ante geia

Klap Klap !!Sigxaritiria gia tin foveri epidixi mikroastismou palikari mou..

"Oi epanastaseis telos" Auto einai to quote tou aiwna...

Otan gia na spoudasei o gios sou i i koroula sou 8a prepei na valis ypo8iki to spiti sou opws ginetai stin ameriki ela na mou peis gia ta enoikia pou plirwses..

pyro*
03-27-2007, 09:40 PM
Otan gia na spoudasei o gios sou i i koroula sou 8a prepei na valis ypo8iki to spiti sou opws ginetai stin ameriki ela na mou peis gia ta enoikia pou plirwses..

lol...

katw apo 400e to mhna den paizei na ksodevei kapoios foithths ektos polhs. An ta valeis katw pas se mia xara idiwtiko me ta idia lefta.

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-27-2007, 10:58 PM
lol...

katw apo 400e to mhna den paizei na ksodevei kapoios foithths ektos polhs. An ta valeis katw pas se mia xara idiwtiko me ta idia lefta.

Eides ti trello zwiliki peftei?

Pare paradeigma tou proigoumenou post tou damon kai simpereneis giati iparxei toso anergeia.

DaM0n
03-28-2007, 01:49 PM
lol...

katw apo 400e to mhna den paizei na ksodevei kapoios foithths ektos polhs. An ta valeis katw pas se mia xara idiwtiko me ta idia lefta.
Se idiwtiko IEK elpizw na ennoeis...

Kai ola auta ta peraiterw exoda autou tou fititi apo tin stigmi pou dn na pigainei se dimosio panepistimio alla se idiwtiko pauoun na ifistantai??

DaM0n
03-28-2007, 01:50 PM
Eides ti trello zwiliki peftei?

Pare paradeigma tou proigoumenou post tou damon kai simpereneis giati iparxei toso anergeia.

Giati yparxei tosi anergia??

_godfather_
03-28-2007, 02:44 PM
γιατι κάποιοι μιλούν πιο γρήγορα απ'ότι σκέφτονται.

pyro*
03-28-2007, 03:48 PM
Se idiwtiko IEK elpizw na ennoeis...

Kai ola auta ta peraiterw exoda autou tou fititi apo tin stigmi pou dn na pigainei se dimosio panepistimio alla se idiwtiko pauoun na ifistantai??


ta 400e pou eipa einai h minimum katanalwsh (pou katw apo 500e/mhna den exw akousei alla leme twra) gia enoikio-revma-nero-thlefwno-koinoxrhsta-super market. Valta katw.

12 x 400 = 4800e.
4 (minimum eth, kai mh mou peis oti ksereis pollous pou teleiwnoun sta 4 xronia) = 19.200e

Kostos spoudwn sto Deree:

510e peripou ana mathima, me 38 mathimata aparaithta gia na teleiwseis me bachelors.

38 x 510 = 19.380e.


Oi arithmoi ths allhs pollhs thimisou einai to MINIMUM pou mporei na vrei kapoios, ektos an valeis sygkatoikhsh pou einai poly ypoanaptykth edw. Proswpika den kserw kanenan pou na sygkatoikei. Ta peraiterw eksoda (eksodoi, tsigara, faghto apeksw, k.o.k.) paramenoun ta idia, mhn sou pw kai ligotera sthn dikh tou polh.

Tourgon
03-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Giati nomizeis oti tha ginun idiwtika se kathe gwnia tis Elladas? Kai pali tha pigainei se alli poli, kai pali tha plirwnei auta pu eipes mono pu tha plirwnei kai ta dio.
Diladi P=P1+P2 k tetoia => P=19.200e+19.380e=38.580e

Raspoutin
03-28-2007, 06:26 PM
kai kati allo. mpainontas se idiwtiko panepistimio, akoma kai stin poli sou me tin oikogeneia sou, ta eksoda gia na ziseis midenizontai? sorry pyro, alla den einai sovaro to epixeirima sou

pyro*
03-28-2007, 09:48 PM
Tourgon: ma den tha ginoun ta panta idiwtika.

Raspoutin: Epeidh synexizete na mhn to niwthete kai poly na sou to pw apla. Ta 400 evrw pou tha dineis sthn allh polh gia na zhseis, tha ta dwseis sthn dikia sou polh gia na pas sto idiwtiko. Dhladh tonizw pws dhmosia paidia se allh polh kai idiwtikh paidia sthn dikia sou einai mia h allh. Na kanw kai kaka?

MyTHoS_
03-28-2007, 11:08 PM
Tourgon: ma den tha ginoun ta panta idiwtika.
Kala arxika 8a yparxoun kai dhmosia..Alla mh mou peis oti perimeneis oti afth h apotomh afkshsh tou antagwnismou 8a voh8hsei sto na veltiw8oun ta dhmosia panepisthmia.Pistevw pws 8a katalavaineis oti 8a ginei afto pou egine kai se alles xwres opou ta dhmosia den anteksan ton antagwnismo,epesan teleiws sta matia tou kosmo me apotelesma kapoia stigmh na arxizoun na eksafanizontai.Den eimai yper twn dhmosiwn panepisthmiwn kai genika aftou tou eidous ekpaidefshs alla h eksafanish tous apo idiwtika pistevw 8a epiferei mia terastia diafora sthn tseph tou kosmou...

Raspoutin: Epeidh synexizete na mhn to niwthete kai poly na sou to pw apla. Ta 400 evrw pou tha dineis sthn allh polh gia na zhseis, tha ta dwseis sthn dikia sou polh gia na pas sto idiwtiko. Dhladh tonizw pws dhmosia paidia se allh polh kai idiwtikh paidia sthn dikia sou einai mia h allh. Na kanw kai kaka?Den pistevw pantws oti ta idiwtika panepisthmia 8a einai sthn vash pou einai ta iek afth thn periodo.Dhladh de nomizw oti apla 8a plhrwneis gia na pas na spoudaseis se ena idiwtiko panepisthmio ths polhs sou.Profanws(kata thn apopsh mou) 8a prepei na petyxaineis se ena diaforetiko(alla kai pali) tropo aksiologhshs(aka eksetashs).Kai fysika mhn ksexname oti ta lefta den ta plhrwnoun oi goneis mono otan to paidi tous paei panepisthmio.Ta plhrwnoun toulaxiston 2-3 xronia pio prin opou stelnoun to paidi tous se fronthsthrio.To frontisthrio isxyei akoma kai mesa sta panepisthmia.Kai akoma kai an kapoios dextei oti ta dhmosia panepisthmia 8a ginoun pio antagwnistika me thn idrysh twn idiwtikwn, de nomizw na pistevei oti kati tetoio 8a shmainei oti 8a afksh8ei to epipedo ths ekpaideftikhs diadikasias.Anti8etws 8a afksh8ei to krithrio me to opoio kapoios 8a dikaioutai na parei ptyxio.Dhladh h antagwnistikothta 8a kri8ei sto poios vgazei tous pio gamatous ergates.Me liga logia o foithths 8a diavazei ta idia akatalavistika vivlia kai isws kai pio akatalavistika sto mellon,8a agorazei pali monos tou vivlia(alla se megalytero va8mo) pou oi idioi oi ka8hghtes tou tou proteinoun gia voh8eia,8a phgainei sta idia fronthsthria(alla pio mazika) pou oi idioi oi ka8hghtes tou merikes fores tou proteinoun kai doulevoun se afta, me skopo na antapeksel8ei sta dyskolotera krithria pou o antagwnismos twn panepisthmiwn 8a exei 8esei.

pyro*
03-29-2007, 12:00 AM
Kala arxika 8a yparxoun kai dhmosia..Alla mh mou peis oti perimeneis oti afth h apotomh afkshsh tou antagwnismou 8a voh8hsei sto na veltiw8oun ta dhmosia panepisthmia.Pistevw pws 8a katalavaineis oti 8a ginei afto pou egine kai se alles xwres opou ta dhmosia den anteksan ton antagwnismo,epesan teleiws sta matia tou kosmo me apotelesma kapoia stigmh na arxizoun na eksafanizontai.Den eimai yper twn dhmosiwn panepisthmiwn kai genika aftou tou eidous ekpaidefshs alla h eksafanish tous apo idiwtika pistevw 8a epiferei mia terastia diafora sthn tseph tou kosmou...
Den pistevw pantws oti ta idiwtika panepisthmia 8a einai sthn vash pou einai ta iek afth thn periodo.Dhladh de nomizw oti apla 8a plhrwneis gia na pas na spoudaseis se ena idiwtiko panepisthmio ths polhs sou.Profanws(kata thn apopsh mou) 8a prepei na petyxaineis se ena diaforetiko(alla kai pali) tropo aksiologhshs(aka eksetashs).Kai fysika mhn ksexname oti ta lefta den ta plhrwnoun oi goneis mono otan to paidi tous paei panepisthmio.Ta plhrwnoun toulaxiston 2-3 xronia pio prin opou stelnoun to paidi tous se fronthsthrio.To frontisthrio isxyei akoma kai mesa sta panepisthmia.Kai akoma kai an kapoios dextei oti ta dhmosia panepisthmia 8a ginoun pio antagwnistika me thn idrysh twn idiwtikwn, de nomizw na pistevei oti kati tetoio 8a shmainei oti 8a afksh8ei to epipedo ths ekpaideftikhs diadikasias.Anti8etws 8a afksh8ei to krithrio me to opoio kapoios 8a dikaioutai na parei ptyxio.Dhladh h antagwnistikothta 8a kri8ei sto poios vgazei tous pio gamatous ergates.Me liga logia o foithths 8a diavazei ta idia akatalavistika vivlia kai isws kai pio akatalavistika sto mellon,8a agorazei pali monos tou vivlia(alla se megalytero va8mo) pou oi idioi oi ka8hghtes tou tou proteinoun gia voh8eia,8a phgainei sta idia fronthsthria(alla pio mazika) pou oi idioi oi ka8hghtes tou merikes fores tou proteinoun kai doulevoun se afta, me skopo na antapeksel8ei sta dyskolotera krithria pou o antagwnismos twn panepisthmiwn 8a exei 8esei.

Safws kai tha prepei na aksiologountai oi spoudes ktl ktl ktl kai safws oi goneis exoune ta eksoda ayta apo prin mpoun ta paidia se kapoia sxolh, genika symfwnw sta perissotera pou les, isws na diafwnw ligo sthn "provlepsh" pou ekanes gia thn paideia. apla estiasa sto oikonomiko kommati ws reply ston dam0n.

Koita den exw kai polla epixeirhmata h endeikseis gia to pws tha kataliksei h paideia, alla den nomizw na ypovathmistei TOSO h dhmosia. O kairos tha deiksei, isws kai na kanw lathos. Kai vevaia mhn ksexnas oti epeidh perase enas nomos ayto den paei na pei oti twra oi etairies lene a perase o nomos ara oi twn idiwtikwn einai gamatoi.

Kai IMHO panta yparxoun kapoies sxoles sthn Ellada sygkekrimena pou den tha tis kseperasei kammia idiwtikh se poiotiko epipedo. (Arxitektones, Giatroi, Pol. Mhxanikoi, k.o.k.)

EDIT: kai na symplirwsw oti akoma kai sta idiwtika kratane kapoious kanonismous gia na diasfalisoun poiothta, oso apisteyto k an fenetai se kapoious. Sygkekrimena se emas an exeis gia panw apo 1 xrono M.O. katw tou 2/4 paizei na se diwksoune, panw apo 2 xronia eisai out sigoura. Kai an o M.O. sou einai katw apo 2/4 den mporeis kai na apofoithseis. Ayta ta oliga apo emena (nai kserw atoma pou ta diwksane ;p)

Tourgon
03-29-2007, 12:27 AM
Genika to thema einai oti stin "agora tis paideias" (po ti apaisia ekfrasi><) de tha iparxei igieis adagwnismos afu ta dimosia tha xekinisun apo POLU katw epipedo, me liga xrimata k.o.k. Prepei prwta na anavathmistun, na eleutherwthoun oi periousies apo ta xeria tu kratus, na iparxei autonomi oikonomiki diaxeirisi, +epidotiseis, +alla polla pragmata. Opote to na milame tora gia idiwtika einai tulaxiston lathos.

MyTHoS_
03-29-2007, 12:45 AM
Kai vevaia mhn ksexnas oti epeidh perase enas nomos ayto den paei na pei oti twra oi etairies lene a perase o nomos ara oi twn idiwtikwn einai gamatoi.
profanws..mhn ksexnas oti tpt den ginetai en mia nykti..H poreia pros thn idiwtikopoihsh exei arxisei edw kai polla xronia.

Kai IMHO panta yparxoun kapoies sxoles sthn Ellada sygkekrimena pou den tha tis kseperasei kammia idiwtikh se poiotiko epipedo. (Arxitektones, Giatroi, Pol. Mhxanikoi, k.o.k.)
diafwnw giati toulaxiston gia tous kladous pou aneferes exei hdh epel8ei enas mini koresmos opote siga siga to endiaferon 8a pesei.eidika otan ginei pio fanerh h strofh ths agoras sthn plhroforikh sto management kai sto marketing.Isws sthn telikh na ginei kati san thn fash twn TEE(kai siga siga twn TEI) twra.Ta idiwtika na vgazoun tous grafeiades kai ta dhmosia aftous pou 8a trwne to louki.


EDIT: kai na symplirwsw oti akoma kai sta idiwtika kratane kapoious kanonismous gia na diasfalisoun poiothta, oso apisteyto k an fenetai se kapoious. Sygkekrimena se emas an exeis gia panw apo 1 xrono M.O. katw tou 2/4 paizei na se diwksoune, panw apo 2 xronia eisai out sigoura. Kai an o M.O. sou einai katw apo 2/4 den mporeis kai na apofoithseis. Ayta ta oliga apo emena (nai kserw atoma pou ta diwksane ;p)
Yeap to kserw afto an kai amfivallw to kata poso enas va8mos sto ptyxio deixnei ti exei ma8ei kapoios se mia sxolh(to eipa poly ap'eksw gia na mhn anoiksoume kouventa kai gia thn aksiologhsh twra ;p)

Genika to thema einai oti stin "agora tis paideias"
mikrh dior8wsh: imo(kai pistevw pws 8a symfwnhseis) den einai paideia ;p

Tourgon
03-29-2007, 01:03 AM
correct u r

pyro*
03-29-2007, 10:48 AM
profanws..mhn ksexnas oti tpt den ginetai en mia nykti..H poreia pros thn idiwtikopoihsh exei arxisei edw kai polla xronia.

edw thelw na rwtisw giati kaneis den paraponethike tosa xronia pou exei arxisei.. (den eimai eirwnikos ktl, aporia)

diafwnw giati toulaxiston gia tous kladous pou aneferes exei hdh epel8ei enas mini koresmos opote siga siga to endiaferon 8a pesei.eidika otan ginei pio fanerh h strofh ths agoras sthn plhroforikh sto management kai sto marketing.Isws sthn telikh na ginei kati san thn fash twn TEE(kai siga siga twn TEI) twra.Ta idiwtika na vgazoun tous grafeiades kai ta dhmosia aftous pou 8a trwne to louki.

Egw proswpika gia plhroforikh den empistevomai idiwtikes sxoles. Gia marketing kai management nai. Gia ayto pou les me grafeiades - ergates den nomizw na ftasei se ayto to akro, alla kai an ftasei panta tha yparxoun kai apo tous 2 kai sta dyo kommatia mesa se mia epixeirhsh.


Yeap to kserw afto an kai amfivallw to kata poso enas va8mos sto ptyxio deixnei ti exei ma8ei kapoios se mia sxolh(to eipa poly ap'eksw gia na mhn anoiksoume kouventa kai gia thn aksiologhsh twra ;p)

Mwre to ptyxio den leei tipota apo opou kai an to pareis. to thema einai na eisai kalos sth douleia sou. Exw akousei gia kosmo pou allo spoudasane kai allo kanoune, kai to kanoune kai poly epityxws. Apla to anefera giati h karamela "ta skaei kai pairnei ptyxio" tous vazei olous sto idio saki me merikes anthyposxoles pou poulane anavoles...

MyTHoS_
03-29-2007, 11:30 AM
edw thelw na rwtisw giati kaneis den paraponethike tosa xronia pou exei arxisei.. (den eimai eirwnikos ktl, aporia)
giati h aristera panta eixe thn emmonh stous nomous kai oxi sto ti ginetai sthn ka8hmerinothta.Opws epishs kai oi perissoteroi an8rwpoi.Dhladh an kati ginetai to opoio einai enantia sto nomo kai apla ginetai se mikro va8mo, de 8a kanei kanena na parapone8ei.An omws nomimopoih8ei kati tetoio arxizoun kai fwnazoun oloi..einai ligo koulo alla dystyxws afto symvainei

_godfather_
03-29-2007, 02:01 PM
afta pa8aineis otan afineis tin zwi sou sta xeria tsopanidwn aristeristwn!

Fitz_Roy
03-29-2007, 02:15 PM
afta pa8aineis otan afineis tin zwi sou sta xeria tsopanidwn aristeristwn!

oi tsopanides aristeristes kyvernane?
ela re

_godfather_
03-29-2007, 02:31 PM
oi tsopanides aristeristes kyvernane?
ela re


οχι .. οι τσοπάνηδες αριστεριστές ασχολούνται με "εξεγέρσεις" ενώ δεν έχουν ιδέα με αποτέλεσμα να σπιλώνουν τον όρο..

Feanaro
03-30-2007, 05:26 AM
Genika to thema einai oti stin "agora tis paideias" (po ti apaisia ekfrasi><) de tha iparxei igieis adagwnismos afu ta dimosia tha xekinisun apo POLU katw epipedo, me liga xrimata k.o.k. Prepei prwta na anavathmistun, na eleutherwthoun oi periousies apo ta xeria tu kratus, na iparxei autonomi oikonomiki diaxeirisi, +epidotiseis, +alla polla pragmata. Opote to na milame tora gia idiwtika einai tulaxiston lathos.

Γενικότερα το επειχήρημα ότι η ίδρυση ιδιωτικών πανεπιστημίων θα κάνει τα δημόσια ανταγωνιστικότερα είναι απλά παραπλανητικό. Και αυτό διότι απλά ο ανταγωνισμός συμβαίνει στα πλαίσια της αγοράς. Κάτι που σημαίνει πως για να ανταγωνίζονται τα δημόσια πανεπιστήμια τα ιδωτικά πρέπει να μπουν στην αγορά, δηλαδή ουσιαστικά να πάψουν να είναι δημόσια. :???:

Και για ποιό λόγο π.χ. μία επιχείρηση να επενδύσει τα λεφτά της στην παιδεία; Μα για να έχει έτοιμο εργατικό δυναμικό, καταρτισμένο συμφωνα με τις απαιτήσεις της και γνώση στην υπηρεσία των αναγκών της.
Δηλαδή δεν μιλάμε πλέον για παιδεία, αλλά την παραγωγή εργαζομένων κομμένων και ραμμένων στα μέτρα των επιχειρήσεων και την υποταγή της γνώσης στις ανάγκες της αγοράς.

AZXD3333
03-30-2007, 05:32 AM
Feanaro kata kapoio tropo emeis to arxisame auto,oi perissoteroi dialegoun mia sxolh me vash to posa leuta 8a vgazoun metepeita sth douleia tous kai to epipedo anergias sto ka8e klado.Opote einai logiko h idia h paideia na kanei thn idia strofh analoga me tis dikes mas anages.H poreia auth einai amfidromh.

Feanaro
03-30-2007, 05:55 AM
Feanaro kata kapoio tropo emeis to arxisame auto,oi perissoteroi dialegoun mia sxolh me vash to posa leuta 8a vgazoun metepeita sth douleia tous kai to epipedo anergias sto ka8e klado.Opote einai logiko h idia h paideia na kanei thn idia strofh analoga me tis dikes mas anages.H poreia auth einai amfidromh.

Δεν νομίζω. Άλλωστε το γεγονός ότι τα πανεπιστήμια θα βγάζουν ποιό καταρτισμένους εργαζόμενους δεν σημαίνει πως οι επιχειρήσεις θα αποφασίσουν ξαφνικά να αυξήσουν τον αριθμό των υπαλλήλων τους. Η ανεργία δεν θα μειωθεί. Απλώς θα έχουν αυτό που θέλουν. Ποιό καταρτισμένο εργατικό δυναμικό που τις βοηθήσει να γίνουν ποιό ανταγωνιστικές, καθώς οι "απαιτήσεις" της αγοράς αυξάνονται διαρκώς. Το πολύ πολύ να απολύσουν παλιότερους, λιγότερο καταρτισμένους υπαλλήλους για να προσλάβουν νέους που θα έχουν τις απαραίτητες δεξιότητες και μάλιστα με μικρότερο μισθό.

MyTHoS_
03-30-2007, 08:29 AM
Feanaro kata kapoio tropo emeis to arxisame auto,oi perissoteroi dialegoun mia sxolh me vash to posa leuta 8a vgazoun metepeita sth douleia tous kai to epipedo anergias sto ka8e klado.Opote einai logiko h idia h paideia na kanei thn idia strofh analoga me tis dikes mas anages.H poreia auth einai amfidromh.

kala otan eixe arxisei na ginetai h strofh apo thn ypotipodh paideia sthn ekpaidefsh gia th douleia emeis de zousame kan(milame gia gyrw sta 200 xronia prin toulaxiston) :D
Genika gia na allaksei kati tetoio kai na mporoume na milame gia paideia, prepei na allaksoun paara polla kai oxi mono ston tomea ths paideias

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-30-2007, 10:33 AM
kala otan eixe arxisei na ginetai h strofh apo thn ypotipodh paideia sthn ekpaidefsh gia th douleia emeis de zousame kan(milame gia gyrw sta 200 xronia prin toulaxiston) :D
Genika giana allaksei kati tetoio kai na mporoume na milame gia paideia, prepei na allaksoun paara polla kai oxi mono ston tomea ths paideias

a re papadopoulos pou xreiazete edw!

MyTHoS_
03-30-2007, 12:01 PM
sure mate.
continue you nap now

χέστηκε_η_φοράδα_σταλώνι
03-30-2007, 12:07 PM
sure mate.
continue you nap now

Ta logia sou kanw paste.

Imho, ba8ia mesa sto asinidito sou epizitas akribws auto.

:cheers:

AZXD3333
03-31-2007, 06:29 PM
@Feanaro
akoma kai tis "apaithseis" ths agoras EMEIS tis au3anoume,h vlakeia mas kai h katanalwtikh koinwnia pou emeis dhmiourghsame kai zoume.tespa einai megalh suzhthsh..

@MyTHoS
gia na alla3oun ola auta,polla prepei na alla3oun(opws polu swsta les) kai h paideia 8a akolou8hsei opws kai h koinwnia genikotera(gnwmh mou).

_godfather_
04-01-2007, 01:13 AM
einai ekpaidefsi kai oxi paideia. . Siggnwmi p eimai migas alla etsi einai. Paideia den 8a apokthsei kaneis pote apo ekmorfwtes kratikous. Twra an bebaia orizeis tin ka8odigoumeni "paideia" ws paideia, allo 8ema. Kai afto den isxiei mono gia thn Ellada einai geniko fainomeno ektos an peseis se ka8igites periptwseis pou exoun katalabei ti psofia einai i kratiki tous paideia kai prospa8oun na se paidefsoun me thn kali ennoia. Den 8eloume kratiki dimosia "dwrean" paideia, alla dwrean dhmosia koinwniki paideia, pou vgazei an8rwpous kai oxi sklabous tou sistimatos. Mia paideia pou na apaxiwnei kai na epiti8etai me thn nohsh kai mono stin "ierothta" ths ergasias, o ka8enas na orizei atomika tous orous diaviwsis tou kai oxi na einai ermaio sta xeria ergodotwn - poutanwn..

ToothPick
04-08-2007, 08:28 AM
opoios mplekei me ta pitoura ton trwne oi kotes????????
Eimaste sovaroi?? Me tin diki sou logiki, den diadilwnoume pote, den leme pote to ti theloume na allaksei ston topo pou zoume, kathomaste spiti mas, k perimenoume na perasoun ta xronia mexri tis epomenes ekloges, k apo kei na ekfrasoume tin diafwnia mas gia kati??

Wraia,kanate pories klp klp..thelw na mou peis ti kataferate??
Na s pw egw?Na kanete mathimata to kalokairi i dn kserw k egw ti allo..
Episeis polloi goneis(goneis=laos=psifos empistosinhs)enantiwthikan apenanti stous foithtes
kai poli diskola oi opoioi agwnes ginoun apo dw kai pera gia otidipote paromio dn tha exoun apotelesma..
Afta..kthnx

Raspoutin
04-09-2007, 03:28 PM
http://www.edopolytexneio.org/mediawiki/images/c/c8/Civrights-booklet.pdf

AZXD3333
04-11-2007, 08:42 PM
yiiiioouuuuhhhh...

SoUzAnAkI85
04-12-2007, 09:13 PM
just...
ena einai to sun8hma pou panta mas enonei..
oi mpatsoi einai aderfia mas...

SoUzAnAkI85
04-12-2007, 10:23 PM
kai meis aderfoktonoi..!!!

tier7
04-13-2007, 01:41 AM
siga re kake

SoUzAnAkI85
04-13-2007, 10:45 AM
kakia parakalw kai nai
eimai :D

tier7
04-14-2007, 11:38 PM
KAKIA?
YOOOHHOOOOO
mipos exeis msn?pio einia to mail sou ?to kinito sou?to stathero?
thes na pame gia kafe?
eisai toso omorfi anypomono na se gnwrisw.
steile photo
a/s/l?

SoUzAnAkI85
04-15-2007, 12:13 AM
KAKIA?
YOOOHHOOOOO
mipos exeis msn?pio einia to mail sou ?to kinito sou?to stathero?
thes na pame gia kafe?
eisai toso omorfi anypomono na se gnwrisw.
steile photo
a/s/l?

to msn mou einai kato apo to avatar
to mail mou einai 13rodoul1@freemail.com
to kinhto mou einai 696 666 6666
to sta8ero mou einai 090 53 24 875
gia kafe euxaristws....
kai h photo mou..

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/61/250pxamericaferrerauglywc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

MyTHoS_
04-15-2007, 01:26 AM
nai ok
go join a chat room

SoUzAnAkI85
04-15-2007, 01:46 AM
nai ok
go join a chat room

eisai eleoC

:/

tier7
04-15-2007, 02:02 AM
no it was mythos in a bad day ;p
plaka ekana min pareksigithw lol.

SoUzAnAkI85
04-15-2007, 02:07 AM
no it was mythos in a bad day ;p
plaka ekana min pareksigithw lol.

ego pali ebala alh8ina stoixeia :P
tespa kapoios allos to parekshgise...

happyhippo
04-15-2007, 02:10 AM
alithina stoixeia e? oraios arithmos kinitou....

SoUzAnAkI85
04-15-2007, 11:02 AM
alithina stoixeia e? oraios arithmos kinitou....

ty... :D:D:D