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bad_guy
12-20-2006, 07:06 AM
LOIPON Vgenei H tenia 300 tou lewnida kai exei ginei tis poutanas sto forum tou youtube ! Pragmatika exw karafliasei konteuw na xasw kai ta ypoloipa malia mou gia to ti legete ekei pera apo skatotourkous/aglous/amerikanous ! APLA PREPEI NA PATE NA TO DEITE ! ENA DEIGMA EDW PERA !

ll ask you one question only one regarding what you just said ! You really know why you called Constantinopole Instabul? I meen hey very clever name indeed !
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badguygr (43 minutes ago)
Otoman soldiers were the best for sure regarding the issue that Europe was already in war with eachother ! So yeah they were they atacked a whole continent when this continent was in its worst years good job !!!
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bigbest123 (1 month ago)
my ass
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NocturnalTurk (1 month ago)
in the history ottomans nearly didn't lose any battle just like now(Turkey). we conquered all the way from Austria to Egypt and around. By the way .turks have and had the biggest internal problems in the world. Just like now, all the world hated us and jackass armenians and kurds traited us and the soil they lived on, in every battle in every condition. I am really sure that Greeks didn't have such problems.
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NocturnalTurk (1 month ago)
And if using better weapons is being pussies, then the most powerfull armies in the world are pussies. And pls don't use such words with me.

APLA GIA NA DEITE TI PEZEI !

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 07:17 AM
exigise kai se mas giati apo to sugkekrimeno apospasma konteueis na karafliaseis?

bad_guy
12-20-2006, 07:26 AM
Re man o diavase to apo katw pros ta panw ! Mlkia e? ! Apla an deis grafoun ekei mesa gia tous ellines tin istoria mas kai genika ti alles paparies PRAGMATIKA KONTEUW NA XASW OTI MOU EXEI APOMEINEI APO MALIA ! Kai ola ksekinisan me ena aplo video tou frank miller gia tin tenia pou vgenei 300 !

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 07:36 AM
ama o kathenas krinei analoga m auta pou tou lene sto sxolieoi ki oxi m auta pou kathise o idios na diavasei(gia istoria milaw) tote eidika emeis oi ellines den prepei na milame kai polu

lonely4ever.
12-20-2006, 08:35 AM
fantasou oti ta atoma pou postaroun sto youtube einai to idio eksupna kai kollhmena me thn patrida tous oso einai kai ta dika mas tsakalia tou bnb forum kai kollhmena me thn idea Rebel Without a cause(g@mW t00s p@nt3s me liga logia)

bad_guy
12-20-2006, 08:53 AM
Na sou pw kati re war ne exeis dikio den prepei na milame kai poly ! ALLA OXI KAI NA MOU LEEI PSEMA ton Hrodoto pou egrapse gia tis 8ermopyles klp klp klp ! Kserw exoume kanei mlkies san e8nos px Kypros kai mikrasiatiki katastrofH ALLA OXI KAI NA MOU LEEI oti san e8nos oi tourkoi itan eiriniki filoi kai oti i8elan apla na dwsoun ston kosmo ta fwta tou politismou tous? Re eilikrina exw dei para pola ALLA KAI AYTO PARAPAEI RE MAN !

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 10:58 AM
ama o kathenas krinei analoga m auta pou tou lene sto sxolieoi ki oxi m auta pou kathise o idios na diavasei(gia istoria milaw) tote eidika emeis oi ellines den prepei na milame kai polu

Gia tin istoria tin opoia mas didaskoun sto sxoleio tha simfoniso mazi sou.
Opoios thelei pragmatika na mathei tin istoria mas prepei na psaksei arketa kai na dosei distixos arketa xrimata gia auto.

Alla den mporo na simfoniso me to gegonos oti theoreis oti oi Ellines einai to idio me tous allous laous (den leo poious).
Ta lathi pou kaname san ethnos einai metrimena sta daxtila mas se sxesi me allous laous pou to exoun kanei epistimi.
Kai den anafero to gegonos to oti eimaste apo tous pio polipatheis laous.

An exeis kapoia antitheti gnomi parakalo na mas to peis me epixeirimata.

SpirusTheVirus
12-20-2006, 11:03 AM
ti sxesi exei to thread me lineage 2 bnb?
:spam: ? :twisted:

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 11:08 AM
ti sxesi exei to thread me lineage 2 bnb?
:spam: ? :twisted:

Kati to diaforetiko vre aderfe na ksefigoume ligo kai apo to lineage gia ligaki an kai vlepo na to metaferoun sta general.

Pantos einai kalo thema pro sizitisi.

crazycow
12-20-2006, 11:10 AM
pou kolane oi 300 tou leonida me tin o8omaniki autokratoria? :S
kai btw GIATI LEME 300 TOU LEONIDA KAI DEN LEME KAI GIA TOSU 700 8IVEOUS POU ITANE EKEI? FFS

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 11:19 AM
pou kolane oi 300 tou leonida me tin o8omaniki autokratoria? :S
kai btw GIATI LEME 300 TOU LEONIDA KAI DEN LEME KAI GIA TOSU 700 8IVEOUS POU ITANE EKEI? FFS

Wrong oxi Thivaoi alla Thespieis file.

:)
:)

crazycow
12-20-2006, 11:21 AM
Wrong oxi Thivaoi alla Thespieis file.

:)
:)

pezei kai na ekana la8os alla 3ero pos upirxan ;P

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 11:25 AM
pezei kai na ekana la8os alla 3ero pos upirxan ;P

Ναι ipirxan kai oi 700 oi opioi kai autoi epesan mazi me ton Leonida.
Itan aftoi pou filagan ta nota ton Spartiaton.

Exei meinei oi 300 tou Leonida dioti autoi itan pou kratousan ton kirio ogko tou Persikou stratou se apostasi kai tou proksenisan tis perissoteres apoleies,xoris na ipovivazei kaneis fisikia tin andreia ton 700 Thespiwn.

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 11:36 AM
Gia tin istoria tin opoia mas didaskoun sto sxoleio tha simfoniso mazi sou.
Opoios thelei pragmatika na mathei tin istoria mas prepei na psaksei arketa kai na dosei distixos arketa xrimata gia auto.

Alla den mporo na simfoniso me to gegonos oti theoreis oti oi Ellines einai to idio me tous allous laous (den leo poious).
Ta lathi pou kaname san ethnos einai metrimena sta daxtila mas se sxesi me allous laous pou to exoun kanei epistimi.
Kai den anafero to gegonos to oti eimaste apo tous pio polipatheis laous.

An exeis kapoia antitheti gnomi parakalo na mas to peis me epixeirimata.

edaxei den eimai istorikos o kathenas oti diavazei opws to pes.Ta lathi pou exoume kaneis ws laos nomizw omws oti polu perissotera apo auta pou les,ton aiwna pou mas perase mono ektos apo to 1922 oli i periodos 1945-1974 itan gemath lathi.Oso gia to allo den xerw an eimaste polupathos laos toso oso oti mas voleuei kathe fora pou pathainoume kati na ta rixnoume ston xeno daktulo

Fitz_Roy
12-20-2006, 11:37 AM
htan arketoi perissoteroi apo 300 gia thn akriveia... alla pali polles fores ligoteroi apo tous 50,000 (h' 100,000 kat'allous) Perses.

an goustarete istorika mythistorhmata, proteinw anepifylakta tis "Pyles ths Fwtias" (Gates of Fire) tou Steven Pressfield.
Makran to kalytero tou eidous kai diko mou all time favorite.

necr0mancer
12-20-2006, 11:40 AM
Wrong oxi Thivaoi alla Thespieis file.

:)
:)

Νομίζω ότι έμειναν 400 Θηβαίοι και 700 Θεσπιείς εκτός από τους 300 Σπαρτιάτες. Είδα το trailer της ταινίας και δε μου άφησε τις καλύτερες εντυπώσεις. Όσο για τα forum γενικά, υπάρχουν για την ελεύθερη ανταλλαγή απόψεων, οπότε ο καθένας μπορεί να ισχυρίζεται ό,τι θέλει.

PS1 Welcome back Fitz
PS2 Καλημέρα...

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 11:48 AM
episis min ksehnate oti o Hrodotos opws to leei o idios den grafei toso istoria oso kati pou na euxaristei autous pou tha to akousoun.Ara den einai kai eukolo na ton pareis kai sta sovara,eidika otan perigrafei gegonota sta opoia den einai autoptis marturas alla tou ta xoun pei.Endiaferon tha eixe na mathaine kaneis pws ta idia gegonota perigrafontai apo tin "alli pleura".Oso gia ton filo pou eipe parapanw oti akoustike pws oi tourkoi ithelan me tin autokratoria tous na diadosoun ton politismo tous,entaxei den einai kai toso tromero na to akous:P edw akous oti o megas alexandros itan enas megalos anthrwpistis kai to pisteueis kiolas!

GodHand
12-20-2006, 11:52 AM
Egw ena 3erw osa den ftanei h alepou ta kanei kremastaria

darkspawn
12-20-2006, 11:57 AM
off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic

darkspawn
12-20-2006, 11:58 AM
plz ας μην ξεκινησουμε συζητηση περι ιστοριας δεν θα σταματησουμε ποτε....

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 12:02 PM
edaxei den eimai istorikos o kathenas oti diavazei opws to pes.Ta lathi pou exoume kaneis ws laos nomizw omws oti polu perissotera apo auta pou les,ton aiwna pou mas perase mono ektos apo to 1922 oli i periodos 1945-1974 itan gemath lathi.Oso gia to allo den xerw an eimaste polupathos laos toso oso oti mas voleuei kathe fora pou pathainoume kati na ta rixnoume ston xeno daktulo

Sorry alla kapou pareksigithika otan ennousa lathi ithela na po egklimata se varos allon laon kai ethnotiton.
Ta lathi pou kaname san laos metaksi mas einai fisika polla perissotera den to sizitame.
Alla parola auta eimaste apo tous ligous laous pou an kai ipeferan ta pandeina kataferame na orthopodisoume se ligotero apo 100 peripou xronia (to teleutaio kommati dothike stin Ellada to 1945 an den me apataei i mnimi mou tora)

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 12:04 PM
htan arketoi perissoteroi apo 300 gia thn akriveia... alla pali polles fores ligoteroi apo tous 50,000 (h' 100,000 kat'allous) Perses.

an goustarete istorika mythistorhmata, proteinw anepifylakta tis "Pyles ths Fwtias" (Gates of Fire) tou Steven Pressfield.
Makran to kalytero tou eidous kai diko mou all time favorite.

Pragmati ena poli oraio vivlio kai euxaristo sto diavasma.
To sinisto anepifilakta alla min kanete to lathos na to theorisete san istoriko vivlio opos leei kai o Fitz.

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 12:12 PM
episis min ksehnate oti o Hrodotos opws to leei o idios den grafei toso istoria oso kati pou na euxaristei autous pou tha to akousoun.Ara den einai kai eukolo na ton pareis kai sta sovara,eidika otan perigrafei gegonota sta opoia den einai autoptis marturas alla tou ta xoun pei.Endiaferon tha eixe na mathaine kaneis pws ta idia gegonota perigrafontai apo tin "alli pleura".Oso gia ton filo pou eipe parapanw oti akoustike pws oi tourkoi ithelan me tin autokratoria tous na diadosoun ton politismo tous,entaxei den einai kai toso tromero na to akous:P edw akous oti o megas alexandros itan enas megalos anthrwpistis kai to pisteueis kiolas!

Ekanes to lathos na krineis me ti dikes mas ithikes aksies to Alexandro,alles epoxes alles aksies.
Min ksexnas oti ekane polemo file mou kai ston polemo panta ginontai egklimata oso agathoi kai an einai oi skopoi tou.
Einai o monos pou dimiourgise pano apo 100 poleis kai metedose se autous tous laous ton klassiko Elliniko politismo pou oute na to fantastoun mporousan tote oloi oi laoi.

Gia ton Hrodoto to mono pou den mporeis na pistepseis einai oi arithmoi ton antipalon ta opoia parathetei kata ta alla ta gegonota einai opos mas ta leei,alloste auto to apodiknioun kai alloi istorikoi meletites.

Gom
12-20-2006, 01:46 PM
off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic off topic
Aha!Lew k egw...

Re seis gamwto tou l2 section postarete off topic themata k ta vazetai se ena asxeto section gamwto...Eleos dld pia!yparxoun k alla sections sto forum ...ffs!

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 03:01 PM
o klassikos ellinikos politismos gia ton opoio uperifaneuomaste xilades xronia meta stirixitke panw sti logiki na mamaw ton adunamo(i arxaia athina megalourgise etc).gi auto kai simera einai paralogo na diamarturomaste oti eimaste adunamoi kai oti mas kanoun oti theloun,giati tha prepe na xeroume apo 1o xeri ti simainei na exeis mia autokratoria kai opoios sou antimilaei na ton "exafanizeis"

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 03:38 PM
o klassikos ellinikos politismos gia ton opoio uperifaneuomaste xilades xronia meta stirixitke panw sti logiki na mamaw ton adunamo(i arxaia athina megalourgise etc).gi auto kai simera einai paralogo na diamarturomaste oti eimaste adunamoi kai oti mas kanoun oti theloun,giati tha prepe na xeroume apo 1o xeri ti simainei na exeis mia autokratoria kai opoios sou antimilaei na ton "exafanizeis"

Den exeis idea ti esti Klassikos Ellinikos Politismos.
Sou lene mipos tpt i lekseis Philosophia,Tragodia (Theatro),Iatriki,Mixaniki mallon tpt apo tis paparies pou mas les.

Eisai allos enas imimathis pragma pou einai xeirotero ampo tin amatheia.

Gia auto ante anoikse kana vivlio kai diavase prin anoikseis to stomataki sou kai arxiseis na petas oti mlk akouses apo edo kai apo ekei.

Den sinithiso na ta xono alla otan akouo tetoia aneuthina kai dixos vasi logia vgaino ektos eautou.

An den eisai perifanos pou eisai Ellinas tote kallista mporeis na pas apenanti.

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Den exeis idea ti esti Klassikos Ellinikos Politismos.
Sou lene mipos tpt i lekseis Philosophia,Tragodia (Theatro),Iatriki,Mixaniki mallon tpt apo tis paparies pou mas les.

Eisai allos enas imimathis pragma pou einai xeirotero ampo tin amatheia.

Gia auto ante anoikse kana vivlio kai diavase prin anoikseis to stomataki sou kai arxiseis na petas oti mlk akouses apo edo kai apo ekei.

Den sinithiso na ta xono alla otan akouo tetoia aneuthina kai dixos vasi logia vgaino ektos eautou.

An den eisai perifanos pou eisai Ellinas tote kallista mporeis na pas apenanti.

megale 1on milas se anthrwpo pou spoudazei kapoia apo auta pou aneferes stin arxi(tragwdia)
2on egw ematha na ektimaw auton ton politismo krinontas ton kai vlepontas tis adunamies tou kai oxi apothewnontas ton akrita opws kanei o kathe patriwtis tis dekaras
3on dustuxws oute esu oute polloi alloi den exoun idea ti esti ontws klassikos ellinikos politismos giati polu apla autos o politismos den mathainetai apo ta metafrasmena se nea ellinika keimenakia twn 10seirwn, alla apo to prwtotupo keimeno...auto einai klassikos(mias kai to tonizeis kai to les 100 fores pane mathe na skuveis panw apo to arxaio keimeno na niwseis kai ase tis korwnes)
4on oson afora to uponooumeno gia apenanti den mpainw kan ston kopo na sto epistrepsw...genies kai genies ellinwn san ki esena exoun megalwsei mathainontas oti o politismos MAS einai dithen anwteros apo politsmous allwn.an den to xerei to mualoudaki sou kalo einai na sto thuimisw:panw s auti ti logiki (tiws anwterwtitas twn politismwn) exoun ginei pagkosmioi polemoi, enw kai simera akoma oi dunatoi ths ghs auto to prosxima exoun gia na epivallontai...
Ase tin pipila gia ton megalo klassiko elliniko politismo gia osous akoune to Xristodoulo kai tin patriwtiki dexia stin ellada(kai tin akra aristera) oi upoloipoi exume mathei na krinoume

warsmithzaf
12-20-2006, 04:18 PM
kai valto kala sto mualoudaki sou...to megaleio autou tu politismou(pou einai oti exei apomeinei s auti ti xwra na perifaneuetai afou i sugxroni ellada einai anuparkti) einai oti evale ta themelia gia na krinoun antrwpoi orthologika,na apoktisoun kritiki skepsi,ara kai na mporoun na krinoun kai na amfisvitoun ta panta(akoma kai tous progonous nai nai!!) kai telos vale kai kati allo sto mualo sou.oti genniesai ellinas den simainei oti exeis sto dna sou ton platwna kai ton ippokrath kai to sofokli...oxi dustuxws ama den tous meletiseis den simainei oti gennithikes kai eisai ki esu foreas autou tou klassikou

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 05:04 PM
megale 1on milas se anthrwpo pou spoudazei kapoia apo auta pou aneferes stin arxi(tragwdia)
2on egw ematha na ektimaw auton ton politismo krinontas ton kai vlepontas tis adunamies tou kai oxi apothewnontas ton akrita opws kanei o kathe patriwtis tis dekaras
3on dustuxws oute esu oute polloi alloi den exoun idea ti esti ontws klassikos ellinikos politismos giati polu apla autos o politismos den mathainetai apo ta metafrasmena se nea ellinika keimenakia twn 10seirwn, alla apo to prwtotupo keimeno...auto einai klassikos(mias kai to tonizeis kai to les 100 fores pane mathe na skuveis panw apo to arxaio keimeno na niwseis kai ase tis korwnes)
4on oson afora to uponooumeno gia apenanti den mpainw kan ston kopo na sto epistrepsw...genies kai genies ellinwn san ki esena exoun megalwsei mathainontas oti o politismos MAS einai dithen anwteros apo politsmous allwn.an den to xerei to mualoudaki sou kalo einai na sto thuimisw:panw s auti ti logiki (tiws anwterwtitas twn politismwn) exoun ginei pagkosmioi polemoi, enw kai simera akoma oi dunatoi ths ghs auto to prosxima exoun gia na epivallontai...
Ase tin pipila gia ton megalo klassiko elliniko politismo gia osous akoune to Xristodoulo kai tin patriwtiki dexia stin ellada(kai tin akra aristera) oi upoloipoi exume mathei na krinoume

1) Kanenas Pagkosmios Polemos den exei ginei gia anoterotita politismon.
kai oi 2 eginan gia ton perifimo zotiko xoro kai gia allous oikonomikous paragontes.Opote eisai akyros peri anoterotitas politismon.

2) Poli kala kaneis kai vlepeis kai ta meionektimata ton politismon alloste pote den ipirkse kai oute tha iparksei o teleios politismos logo tis anthropinis adinamias.Pote den isxiristika oti Ellinikos Politismos einai o teleios alla eite to theloun eite oxi pano se auton patisan oloi kai ftasame se auto to simeio simera.
Opos kai na exei dosame perissotera kala kai proksenisame ligotera deina apo opiodipote politismo pou exei perasei apo autin tin gi.

3)Poios sou eipe oti den den gnorizo arxaia Ellinika,viazesai na vgaleis grigora simperasmata.
Pragmati polles metafraseis einai athlies alla iparxoun kai vivlia me iperoxes metafraseis,opote min ta vazeis ola se ena tsouvali kai ta petas.

4) Den pistevo to kathe Xristodoulo kai ton kathe poromeno deksio i aristero.
Vazisomai pano stis gnoseis kai se auta pou kathe mera diavazo kai mathaino.

5)An theoreis oti kapoios pou agapa tin patrida tou kai ektimaei ta erga tou ton progonon tou pou dosane kai tin zoi tous gia na milame emeis eleuthera pos einia Ethnikistis kai fasistas tote nai eimai.

6)Pes mou mia epistimi pano stin opoia den stirixtikan oloi oi sigxronoi epistimones pou den ksekinise apo tin Ellada.
Kai min mou peis tora kamia pliroforiki giati kai auti pano sta mathimatika einai stirigmeni.

Mallon esy ase tin pipila loipon pou exei ginei kai tis modas na apaksionoume ton politismo mas kai tin prosfora tou.Kai apo ta legomena sou eimai sigouros pos den spoudazeis kan pano sto antikeimeno tis istorias kathoti ta epixeirimata sou einai atopa.
Gia auto ante na peis se kapoion allon tis eksipnades sou kai panta na prosexeis pou anoigeis to stomataki otan den ksereis poios einai apenanti sou.

Opos kai na exei an diafoneis perimeno epixeirimata kai apodeikseis an theleis na sinexisoume tin antiparathesi mas.
Theoro anousio na milao me kapoion pou den stirizei tis apopseis tou.

WAFFEN
12-20-2006, 05:09 PM
kai valto kala sto mualoudaki sou...to megaleio autou tu politismou(pou einai oti exei apomeinei s auti ti xwra na perifaneuetai afou i sugxroni ellada einai anuparkti) einai oti evale ta themelia gia na krinoun antrwpoi orthologika,na apoktisoun kritiki skepsi,ara kai na mporoun na krinoun kai na amfisvitoun ta panta(akoma kai tous progonous nai nai!!) kai telos vale kai kati allo sto mualo sou.oti genniesai ellinas den simainei oti exeis sto dna sou ton platwna kai ton ippokrath kai to sofokli...oxi dustuxws ama den tous meletiseis den simainei oti gennithikes kai eisai ki esu foreas autou tou klassikou

Aniparkti i sigxroni Ellada?????????
An itan aniparkti tora tha milouses alli glossa apo ta Ellinika.
Gia des pote prosartithike to teleutaio kommati stin Ellada kai des ti almata exoume kanei se sxesi me alles xores pou den anamixtikan se kanena polemo ed kai 100 xronia.

Mathe istoria loipon kai meta mila.

Opos eipa i imimatheia einai xeiroteri apo tin amatheia.

Gargod
12-20-2006, 06:38 PM
gamise ta i tainia einai TELEIOS istorika anakrivis. ama deite to trailer opou tous spartiates tous parousiazei os varvariko lao tha katalavete. episis to koino sto opoio apefthinetai einai oi kathisterimenoi pou den exoune tin paramikri gnosi. ( vlepe posts )

btw exo postarei kai ego 2-3 fores gia na krakso tous malakes pou legane oti na nai. thimamai enas xaraktiristika eipe "Lacedaemonians were a very cool people, with A on their shields for Alpha." toulaxiston ama den ksereis oti einai Λ mhn peis tipota re aderfe :?

tier7
12-20-2006, 07:45 PM
ti enois me tin enoia varvaros?gia mena oi spartiates varvaroi itan.
i mipos les to pas mi ellin varvaros.
to na pigeneis apo ta 7 sta stratopeda to na zeis klevontas gia mena einai varvarotita kai den proagi sosto tropo zwis kai anaptiksi tou eswterikous kosmou ton tote anthropwn mias kai den ypirxan os atoma alla os sunola.

wonnabe ellines tou thread prosexte min arxisete na petate apo ti megali ti magia pou sas epiase olous molis sas thiksane to ethnos.

racer
12-20-2006, 09:18 PM
Popo, anxwthika twra...ksanampenw sto game na to ksexasw:P

Lycanthroat_
12-20-2006, 09:22 PM
lol
otomans?
poioi eisaste p eisaste poios stratos p akoma xezete sta parka?
apaxiw n asxolhthw,....
gelia atoma..

MyTHoS_
12-20-2006, 10:15 PM
sto telos 8a mas peite kai oti h arxaia ellada htan o idanikos politismos
btw kyrioi o hrodotos DEN htan istorikos opws eipe kai o warsmithzaf
spartiates varvaroi?hmmm
nai.
300 spartiates emeinan stis 8ermopyles <= h tan h epi tas(poly eksypno afto btw)

oso gia to oti ola ksekinhsan apo thn arxaia ellada,siga re katouriste kai ligo me th logikh en arxh hn h ellas kai ystera gennh8hke o politismos
Anti na perhfaneveste eseis pou ek8eiazete ton arxaio ellhniko politismo,8a eprepe na ntrepeste giati eiste kai eseis ypef8ynoi gia thn anyparkth synexeia tou sth shmerinh koinwnia.
San dhmosiografoi akougeste pou klaigontai gia liges meres sta kanalia kai meta asxolountai me thn griph ths galopoulas tou mparmpa giwrgou

Tourgon
12-21-2006, 01:48 AM
Btw i neolaia twn Spartiatwn exei para polla koina me tin neolaia tou Hitler.
Auto gia osous kaulwnun me tetoia perierga ethnikistika ellinika pseudo-istorika pragmata pu pote stin zwi mu den katalava ton logo na xairetai kaneis me tetoia.


Ps: I tainia exei oraia atmosfaira kai einai i metafora enos oraiou comic. Xeste mas me ton gamw-leonida sas.

Gargod
12-21-2006, 02:14 AM
ti enois me tin enoia varvaros?gia mena oi spartiates varvaroi itan.
i mipos les to pas mi ellin varvaros.
to na pigeneis apo ta 7 sta stratopeda to na zeis klevontas gia mena einai varvarotita kai den proagi sosto tropo zwis kai anaptiksi tou eswterikous kosmou ton tote anthropwn mias kai den ypirxan os atoma alla os sunola.

wonnabe ellines tou thread prosexte min arxisete na petate apo ti megali ti magia pou sas epiase olous molis sas thiksane to ethnos.
den eimai wannabe ellinas ^^

kamia sxesi, oi spartiates mporei na itane katapliktikoi stratiotes and all, kai ekpaideymenoi mono gia polemo, alla itan politismenos laos.

WAFFEN
12-21-2006, 10:36 AM
sto telos 8a mas peite kai oti h arxaia ellada htan o idanikos politismos
btw kyrioi o hrodotos DEN htan istorikos opws eipe kai o warsmithzaf
spartiates varvaroi?hmmm
nai.
300 spartiates emeinan stis 8ermopyles <= h tan h epi tas(poly eksypno afto btw)

oso gia to oti ola ksekinhsan apo thn arxaia ellada,siga re katouriste kai ligo me th logikh en arxh hn h ellas kai ystera gennh8hke o politismos
Anti na perhfaneveste eseis pou ek8eiazete ton arxaio ellhniko politismo,8a eprepe na ntrepeste giati eiste kai eseis ypef8ynoi gia thn anyparkth synexeia tou sth shmerinh koinwnia.
San dhmosiografoi akougeste pou klaigontai gia liges meres sta kanalia kai meta asxolountai me thn griph ths galopoulas tou mparmpa giwrgou

Kai pios anefere oti itan idanikos politismos o Ellinikos!!!!!!!

Kai gia pes kai se mena ti itan o Hrodotos???
Na do ti allo tha diavaso edo mesa.

Oloi sas pipilate sto stoma sas tin aniparkti synexeia ton Ellinon xoris na kserete kan tin sigxroni istoria mas kai esy eisai enas apo autous simfona me ta legomena sou.

An eimastan eniparktoi i Ellada tha stamatouse stin Sterea Ellada an eimastan aniparktoi oute kan tha gnorizate oloi sas tin theoria tis sxetikotitas.
Den thelo na anafero alla paradeigmata apla anoikste kana vivlio kai diavaste ligo.

Kai otan eisai moderator prepei na gnorizeis kala ena antikeimeno prin arxiseis na milas.

WAFFEN
12-21-2006, 10:41 AM
ti enois me tin enoia varvaros?gia mena oi spartiates varvaroi itan.
i mipos les to pas mi ellin varvaros.
to na pigeneis apo ta 7 sta stratopeda to na zeis klevontas gia mena einai varvarotita kai den proagi sosto tropo zwis kai anaptiksi tou eswterikous kosmou ton tote anthropwn mias kai den ypirxan os atoma alla os sunola.

wonnabe ellines tou thread prosexte min arxisete na petate apo ti megali ti magia pou sas epiase olous molis sas thiksane to ethnos.

1) Gnorizeis giati oi Spartiates diatirousan panta toso aksiomaxo strato??
2) Kaneis to lathos na sigkrineis diaforetikes epoxes me tis simerines aksies kai idanika.
3) Mas aneferes oti oi Spartiates (anilika) eklevan gia na zisoun alla kai edo den gnorizeis tpt para mono oti akouse apo to sxoleio.

tier7
12-21-2006, 04:25 PM
wannabe iptamene file mou.
den sugrinw diafoertikes epoxes me tis dikes mas apla den exeis katalabei oti oi anthwpoi gia na proodeusoun den xriazontai louriki alla eleftheria kati pou DEN upirxe oso kai na xtupiese.
gia pes re poludiavasmene neo ellina oi spartiates den klebane gia na zisoun?i mipos kai afto psemata einai?mipos mpenan apo ta 7 sta tratopeda kai bgenan sta 60 xwris na exoun zisei KATHOLOU tin zwi tous os anthrwpoi alla mono ws mixanes polemou ?oreos laos re na ton xerese.
mipos den tous afinan na bgoun apo ta sunora gia na min doun allous laous kai zilepsoun alli mia polu kala praksi eleftherou kai eksipnou anthropou.
min mas ta zalizeis allo pigene ksanadiavase ta 52163541 biblia sou kai ase mas emas sta sxolika mas biblia.

otan ksekolisei to mualo sou apo ta outopika senaria pou platheis ela ksana mipos kanoume swsti sizitisi giati me ellinarades den katadexome na milisw gia tetia themata.

gargod den enoousa esena aftous pou enoousa to katalaban.

happyhippo
12-21-2006, 04:33 PM
apo poion klevane re seis? ayto proti fora to akouo... den diafono apla leo oti den to exo xanaakousei...
kata ta alla gia tin eleftheria se sxesi me tin proodo den polyisxyei... alla kai pali exartatai apo to ti ennoeis proodo, giati an ennoeis ayto pou ekanan oi athinaioi oute aytoi eixan eleftheria... mono oi plousioi. oi ypoloipoi apla tous ypiretousan.an ennoeis kati allo pes to.

tier7
12-21-2006, 05:30 PM
den eipa oti eixan proodo i athineoi kai profanos den enow proodo to na kaneis to odipote kato apo to louriki kapiou eite theou eite anthropou.
polla omorfa pragmata eginan katw apo ta mastigia ligwn alla den itan proodos.

oi spartiates klevane apo tous idous tou suntrofous kai sumpolites tous kai ama tous epianan tous ekoban to xeri an den kanw lathos.px otan ekanan polemous kanane doo stis poleis kai klebane enw oi upolipoi plironan gia promithies.

MyTHoS_
12-21-2006, 05:42 PM
Oloi sas pipilate sto stoma sas tin aniparkti synexeia ton Ellinon xoris na kserete kan tin sigxroni istoria mas kai esy eisai enas apo autous simfona me ta legomena sou.

Profanws kaneis den einai agios.Alla h diafora mas ksereis poia einai?Oti esy koitas kai ek8eiazeis to parel8on kai e8elotyfleis gia to mellon anapolontas to parel8on ws kati kalytero apo to shmerino.Profanws to twra einai skata alla an esy goustares tous doulous kai 8ewreis oti htan poly wraia tote einai ligo provlhmatikh h skepsh sou.

An eimastan eniparktoi i Ellada tha stamatouse stin Sterea Ellada an eimastan aniparktoi oute kan tha gnorizate oloi sas tin theoria tis sxetikotitas.
Den thelo na anafero alla paradeigmata apla anoikste kana vivlio kai diavaste ligo.gia ta diasthmoploia 8a gnwrizame?Sorry kiolas alla ama exw 100 doulous na kanoun ta panta gia mena kai arazw se mia karekla, 8a pw 1000 malakies alla 8a pw kai kati swsto.Great philosophers' my ass

Kai otan eisai moderator prepei na gnorizeis kala ena antikeimeno prin arxiseis na milas.
sorry alla ypodeikseis apo enan typo me nick WAFFEN den prokeitai pote na dextw.8ewrw too much to gegonos oti ka8omai kai sou apantaw.To nick Hitler htan piasmeno?

happyhippo
12-21-2006, 09:57 PM
den eipa oti eixan proodo i athineoi kai profanos den enow proodo to na kaneis to odipote kato apo to louriki kapiou eite theou eite anthropou.
polla omorfa pragmata eginan katw apo ta mastigia ligwn alla den itan proodos.

oi spartiates klevane apo tous idous tou suntrofous kai sumpolites tous kai ama tous epianan tous ekoban to xeri an den kanw lathos.px otan ekanan polemous kanane doo stis poleis kai klebane enw oi upolipoi plironan gia promithies.
den diafono alla kai pali den exigises ti theoreis os proodo
episis exo tin entyposi pos ayto pou les os klepsia einai lafyra kataktisis... kai an thimamai kala eixan leilatisei mia poli gia na paroun trofima gia tin navmaxia xoris na vlapsoun kanenan... ayto einai lafyra...
ps. den ypostirizo kanenan oute diafono me kanenan. apla prospatho na katalavo to skeptiko sas

dead walker
12-21-2006, 11:04 PM
epishs Waffen,gt proswpiko einai to 8ema, dn exw prob me kammia allh apopsh, symfwnw me tous allous,
eisai kai pseyths ektos apo anohtos. eimai 100% sigouros, oti ola osa eipes dn einai istorikes ali8eies, apla 8ewrhses logiko na einai ali8eia.se kammia periptwsh dn exeis melethsei sth zwh sou istoria k an exeis anoixei istoriko biblio einai epeidh se ypoxewse kapoios.

oi apopseis sou dn einai la8os, o tropos skepshs sou einai asteios.mporw na ton kanw mia frash"oi ellhnes gamane" eleos dld. ase me thn allh vlakeia pou eipes "ma poios eipe tous ellhnes idaniko politismo??"
ehmm.. esy?

tier7
12-22-2006, 12:07 AM
ama milaga gia lafura polemou tha elega.Lafyra polemou kai den milaw gia afta.
klevane apo tous idious tous tous simpolites.
ti enoow proodo?proodo onomazw tin anaptuksi tou politismou se sunthikes pou kanenas na min uperteri apo tous upolipous kai kaneis na min einai upodoulos kanenos.
giati min ksexname kai oi aiguptioi kanane foveres pyramides alla apo fobo tis ftiaksane oxi epidi to ithelan oi idioi.

MyTHoS_
12-22-2006, 12:19 AM
A nai kai epeidh ksexastika kai mou to 8ymise o dead walker
Kai pios anefere oti itan idanikos politismos o Ellinikos!!!!!!!

Pote den isxiristika oti Ellinikos Politismos einai o teleios alla eite to theloun eite oxi pano se auton patisan oloi kai ftasame se auto to simeio simera.Opos kai na exei dosame perissotera kala kai proksenisame ligotera deina apo opiodipote politismo pou exei perasei apo autin tin gi.

Pes mou mia epistimi pano stin opoia den stirixtikan oloi oi sigxronoi epistimones pou den ksekinise apo tin Ellada.
Kai min mou peis tora kamia pliroforiki giati kai auti pano sta mathimatika einai stirigmeni.

Aniparkti i sigxroni Ellada?????????
An itan aniparkti tora tha milouses alli glossa apo ta Ellinika.
Gia des pote prosartithike to teleutaio kommati stin Ellada kai des ti almata exoume kanei se sxesi me alles xores pou den anamixtikan se kanena polemo ed kai 100 xronia.
Ta efkolws ennooumena paraleipontai
greece maw taw ftw opou ta panta ksekinhsan apo emas,xarh se emas den eimaste akoma sta dentra(hmm ataka vgalmenh apo sygkekrimena atoma),oi sfages pou kaname den htan sfages alla htan "apelef8erwseis" pou voh8hsan tous laous kai tous ekpolitisan(eimai sigouros pws o alexandros kata va8os afto h8ele kai se kamia periptwsh den thn eixe dei katakthths)(gia afto eftase se shmeio na ton krazei o idios tou o stratos kai na zhtaei na gyrisei pisw.Epeidh katalavan oti h8ele na prosferei ton politismo se olo ton kosmo)
btw
An den eisai perifanos pou eisai Ellinas tote kallista mporeis na pas apenanti.
Otan les apenanti ennoeis tous kakous tourkous kai tous kakous alvanous?Ma aftoi einai varvaroi kale!Den to piasa sthn ellada dhladh prepei na menoun mono ellhnes kai sygkekrimena perifanoi ellhnes?Alla ksexasa oi progonoi mas otan polemousan, polemousan gia thn ellada kai se kamia periptwsh den polemousan epeidh h yparxousa "elef8eria" tous kindyneve.Se kamia periptwsh den polemhsan gia tis oikogeneies tous kai gia to spiti tous.Polemousan kyriws gia thn pefwtismenh ellada sthn opoia sigoura ezhse kai o prwtos an8rwpos,sthn opoia sigoura yphrkse o prwtos politismos kai apo thn opoia o kosmos exei ftasei se afto to shmeio proodou pou vrisketai shmera.Yes suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 01:02 AM
ama milaga gia lafura polemou tha elega.Lafyra polemou kai den milaw gia afta.
klevane apo tous idious tous tous simpolites.
ti enoow proodo?proodo onomazw tin anaptuksi tou politismou se sunthikes pou kanenas na min uperteri apo tous upolipous kai kaneis na min einai upodoulos kanenos.
giati min ksexname kai oi aiguptioi kanane foveres pyramides alla apo fobo tis ftiaksane oxi epidi to ithelan oi idioi.
symfonoi. kai tora onomase mou ena kratos pou eixe i exei tetoia proodo...

tier7
12-22-2006, 01:19 AM
pote usxiristika oti kserw kapio tetio kratos kai den to thimame?
as to skeftoume afto omos ligo.giati enas kratos pou PANTA kubernate apo ligous na thelei oi polites na exoun teties gnwseis kai eleftheries?ta xrimata theloun oxi tin proodo twn anthropwn.se ena kratos den tha deis pouthena teties prakseis mono idees kai skepseis opos edw kanenan megalo den ton sumferei opote kalutera na bgaleis apo to mualo sou ena "teleio" kratos pou i proodos pragmatopihte.
kai min kaneis kiali erwtisi den eimai egguklopedia.

bad_guy
12-22-2006, 05:56 AM
Re pedia eilikrina omws peite mou o aleksandros pou anaferate an den pigene mexri ekei pou pige oi alloi laoi 8a eixan politismo? Kai ne apo ellines ksekinisane ola ! Emeis den eixame Dhmokratia?? Emeis den psifizame? Den eixame 8eatra gia ton lao klp klp klp klp! Opote? Ne apo emas ksekinisan ola !
Ne kaname la8oi re file ALLA DEN KANAME GENOKTONIES oso gia tous polemous ne itan kataktitikoi alla re pedia poio pola dwsame para pirame ! Ne mporei na eimoun o kaliteros ma8itis sto gymnasio/lykeio kapoia pramata ta kserw omws oxi apo to sxoleio alla apo ta mnimia pou akoma stekonte kai mas lene EDW EINE ELLADA !!! Oso gia tin tenia kapoio la8os kanete tous perses dixnei san varvarous tous ellines tous deixnei opws prepei ! Kai kati last akouw apo ta forum tou youtube oti epeidH oi ellines prin ton polemo alivontousan me ladi itan GAY ! ELEOS !! Apla kai omorfa to kaname ayto kai kala wste na glystrame kai na min mporei o ex8ros na mas poiasei sta xeria ! ELEOS ayto eine istoria 1hs gymnasiou !


Stin tenia mpenei ena onoma Stelios ! Ne kserw stelios den eine arxeo onoma alla o Frank Miller to evale pros timin kapoio Steliou pou ton filoksenise sto spiti tou oso aytos meletouse tin elliniki istoria sxetika me tous 300 ! Kai fysika 8a exei kai fantastika simia tenia eine !

bad_guy
12-22-2006, 06:03 AM
A nai kai epeidh ksexastika kai mou to 8ymise o dead walker







Ta efkolws ennooumena paraleipontai
greece maw taw ftw opou ta panta ksekinhsan apo emas,xarh se emas den eimaste akoma sta dentra(hmm ataka vgalmenh apo sygkekrimena atoma),oi sfages pou kaname den htan sfages alla htan "apelef8erwseis" pou voh8hsan tous laous kai tous ekpolitisan(eimai sigouros pws o alexandros kata va8os afto h8ele kai se kamia periptwsh den thn eixe dei katakthths)(gia afto eftase se shmeio na ton krazei o idios tou o stratos kai na zhtaei na gyrisei pisw.Epeidh katalavan oti h8ele na prosferei ton politismo se olo ton kosmo)
btw

Otan les apenanti ennoeis tous kakous tourkous kai tous kakous alvanous?Ma aftoi einai varvaroi kale!Den to piasa sthn ellada dhladh prepei na menoun mono ellhnes kai sygkekrimena perifanoi ellhnes?Alla ksexasa oi progonoi mas otan polemousan, polemousan gia thn ellada kai se kamia periptwsh den polemousan epeidh h yparxousa "elef8eria" tous kindyneve.Se kamia periptwsh den polemhsan gia tis oikogeneies tous kai gia to spiti tous.Polemousan kyriws gia thn pefwtismenh ellada sthn opoia sigoura ezhse kai o prwtos an8rwpos,sthn opoia sigoura yphrkse o prwtos politismos kai apo thn opoia o kosmos exei ftasei se afto to shmeio proodou pou vrisketai shmera.Yes suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

Mporei na to kanan gia opoion logo goustarane alla min mou peis oti kai to oti eimaste perifanoi ellines kai stekomaste ligoi apenantia se polous den itan enas logos gia na polemisoume Tourkous/Germanous/Italous klp klp klp klp klp! To oti pigename me xamogelo ston polemo sou leei kati? Sou 8ymizei kati? Giati emena mou 8ymizei pola apo arxea istoria mexri kai simerini istoria !

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 06:11 AM
Mporei na to kanan gia opoion logo goustarane alla min mou peis oti kai to oti eimaste perifanoi ellines kai stekomaste ligoi apenantia se polous den itan enas logos gia na polemisoume Tourkous/Germanous/Italous klp klp klp klp klp! To oti pigename me xamogelo ston polemo sou leei kati? Sou 8ymizei kati? Giati emena mou 8ymizei pola apo arxea istoria mexri kai simerini istoria !

sto plaisio tis muthopoihshs twn progonwn nai exei graftei kai auto gia to xamogelo opws kai gia to xtenisma prin tis thermopules ki alla polla:P

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 06:15 AM
Re pedia eilikrina omws peite mou o aleksandros pou anaferate an den pigene mexri ekei pou pige oi alloi laoi 8a eixan politismo? Kai ne apo ellines ksekinisane ola ! Emeis den eixame Dhmokratia?? Emeis den psifizame? Den eixame 8eatra gia ton lao klp klp klp klp! Opote? Ne apo emas ksekinisan ola !
Ne kaname la8oi re file ALLA DEN KANAME GENOKTONIES oso gia tous polemous ne itan kataktitikoi alla re pedia poio pola dwsame para pirame ! Ne mporei na eimoun o kaliteros ma8itis sto gymnasio/lykeio kapoia pramata ta kserw omws oxi apo to sxoleio alla apo ta mnimia pou akoma stekonte kai mas lene EDW EINE ELLADA !!! Oso gia tin tenia kapoio la8os kanete tous perses dixnei san varvarous tous ellines tous deixnei opws prepei ! Kai kati last akouw apo ta forum tou youtube oti epeidH oi ellines prin ton polemo alivontousan me ladi itan GAY ! ELEOS !! Apla kai omorfa to kaname ayto kai kala wste na glystrame kai na min mporei o ex8ros na mas poiasei sta xeria ! ELEOS ayto eine istoria 1hs gymnasiou !


ta sumposia tou platwna sou thimizoun kati?oso gia to allo pou les gia to ladi thumizei to"vale ladi ki ela vrady" nai re file itan gayoules tou kerata.o alexandros protimouse na paei me ton persh eunouxo para me ti rwksanh ti na kanoume dld epeidi sto mualo mas exoume ena macho leader antrakla etc prepei na nai kiolas?alli mia megali apodeixi poso pio "proxwrhmenoi" itan apo emas oi arxaioi einai kiauto akoma: oti den itan pouritanoi pigainan oloi me olous.edaxei simera den mporoume na to katanoisoume auto,alla etc einai

MyTHoS_
12-22-2006, 09:55 AM
Re pedia eilikrina omws peite mou o aleksandros pou anaferate an den pigene mexri ekei pou pige oi alloi laoi 8a eixan politismo? Kai ne apo ellines ksekinisane ola ! Emeis den eixame Dhmokratia?? Emeis den psifizame? Den eixame 8eatra gia ton lao klp klp klp klp! Opote? Ne apo emas ksekinisan ola !
Oxi 8a htan akoma oloi sta dentra.Emeis eixame dhmokratia,emeis eixame kai doulous, emeis petagame kai ston kaiada ta paidia.
Kai kati last akouw apo ta forum tou youtube oti epeidH oi ellines prin ton polemo alivontousan me ladi itan GAY ! ELEOS !! Apla kai omorfa to kaname ayto kai kala wste na glystrame kai na min mporei o ex8ros na mas poiasei sta xeria ! ELEOS ayto eine istoria 1hs gymnasiou!
ela twra giati gia tous spartiates oloi oi istorikoi panw katw an tous zoriseis ligo 8a sou to poun oti eixane stenous desmous metaksy tous ;)
Mporei na to kanan gia opoion logo goustarane alla min mou peis oti kai to oti eimaste perifanoi ellines kai stekomaste ligoi apenantia se polous den itan enas logos gia na polemisoume Tourkous/Germanous/Italous klp klp klp klp klp! To oti pigename me xamogelo ston polemo sou leei kati? Sou 8ymizei kati? Giati emena mou 8ymizei pola apo arxea istoria mexri kai simerini istoria !Koita den kserw kata poso isxyei to oti phgainane ston polemo xamogelontas alla an isxyei,tote milame gia hli8ious.Sorry man alla den pas sto luna park,pas ston polemo na skotwseis allous an8rwpous.Edw krazoume tous amerikanous se kati fwtografies pou gelane otan vasanizoune sto irak kai esy mou les san kalo epixeirhma oti phgainane xamogelontas ston polemo oi dikoi mas?

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 02:27 PM
pote usxiristika oti kserw kapio tetio kratos kai den to thimame?
as to skeftoume afto omos ligo.giati enas kratos pou PANTA kubernate apo ligous na thelei oi polites na exoun teties gnwseis kai eleftheries?ta xrimata theloun oxi tin proodo twn anthropwn.se ena kratos den tha deis pouthena teties prakseis mono idees kai skepseis opos edw kanenan megalo den ton sumferei opote kalutera na bgaleis apo to mualo sou ena "teleio" kratos pou i proodos pragmatopihte.
kai min kaneis kiali erwtisi den eimai egguklopedia.
milisa gia tin proodo epeidi eipes oti den eixan tetoia i spartiates kai apla sou edeixa oti kanenas allos den eixe... einai san na les se ena kosmo opou oloi einai asximoi oti o tade einai asximos...
ego den exo sto myalo mou kanena tetoio kratos xero oti kati tetoio einai outopiko. gia afto prospatho na katalavo me poious sigrineis tous spartiates kai tous vgazeis "kakous".
gia na teleionoume i sparti opos kai kathe arxaia elliniki poli-kratos itan mia xara kai kamia amerikaniki tainia den prokeite POTE na antikatoptrisei to ti theoroume emeis sosto i to ti parousiazete apta ellinika keimena...
les kai einia i proti fora pou i tainia pou tha vgei einai vasismeni se elliniki mythologia-istoria kai einai anakrivis.
ps. eggyklopedia i prosopiki apopsi? apo pote?

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 02:29 PM
Profanws kaneis den einai agios.Alla h diafora mas ksereis poia einai?Oti esy koitas kai ek8eiazeis to parel8on kai e8elotyfleis gia to mellon anapolontas to parel8on ws kati kalytero apo to shmerino.Profanws to twra einai skata alla an esy goustares tous doulous kai 8ewreis oti htan poly wraia tote einai ligo provlhmatikh h skepsh sou.
gia ta diasthmoploia 8a gnwrizame?Sorry kiolas alla ama exw 100 doulous na kanoun ta panta gia mena kai arazw se mia karekla, 8a pw 1000 malakies alla 8a pw kai kati swsto.Great philosophers' my ass

sorry alla ypodeikseis apo enan typo me nick WAFFEN den prokeitai pote na dextw.8ewrw too much to gegonos oti ka8omai kai sou apantaw.To nick Hitler htan piasmeno?

1)Ksereis ti simainei i leksi WAFFEN giati apo oti vlepo tin exeis mperdepsei me ta WAFFEN-SS.Opote edo eisai entelos lathos,den xrisimopoio vlepeis tin leksi SS alla mono to WAFFEN.

2)Den mou apantises akomi ti einai o Hrodotos akomi perimeno.Mipos itan gamer tou lineage 2!!!!!!!!

3)Oraio paradeigma me ta diastimoploia edoses gratz mexri ekei ftanei i ironeia sou alla tespa.Akou loipon na mathaineis gia na pas sto diastima prepei na gnorizeis ti sto kalo einai prin dokimaseis otidipote.
Gia pes mou loipon pioi anakalipsan tous planites? Pioi eipan protoi oti i gi einai sfairiki? Pioi ipologisan tin diametro ti gis kai tis selinis? Pioi ikseran pote tha exei ekleipsi? kai alla polla pioi pou sigoura den ta ksereis.
Mporei loipon na min anakalipsan to diastimoploio alla itan autoi pou edosan tis vaseis gia na skeftoun kapioi na pane sto diastima.
Akomi tha plakonontan an i gi einai epipedi i oxi.

4)Vgazeis apo monos sou dika sou simperasmata.Sou anefera ego pote oti to parelthon einai kalitero apo to simera!!!!!!!!!!!!,
An den mporeis na mou tin peis me epixeirimata kalo einai na min milas,den vrisketai apenanti sou kana aniliko kai amorfoto paidaki.
Opote i dikia sou skepsi einai provlimatiki dioti oti sou katevainei to grafeis edo mesa xoris na exeis apodeikseis.

Opos vlepeis ego sou apantao analitika se oti mou les kai an den mporeis kai esy na apantiseis se auta pou se rotao tote kalitera min grafeis katholou.

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 02:33 PM
to thema waffen einai oti kai oi ellines apo kapou allou piran tis vaseis gia na ftasoun sto epipedo pou eftasan...

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 02:38 PM
epishs Waffen,gt proswpiko einai to 8ema, dn exw prob me kammia allh apopsh, symfwnw me tous allous,
eisai kai pseyths ektos apo anohtos. eimai 100% sigouros, oti ola osa eipes dn einai istorikes ali8eies, apla 8ewrhses logiko na einai ali8eia.se kammia periptwsh dn exeis melethsei sth zwh sou istoria k an exeis anoixei istoriko biblio einai epeidh se ypoxewse kapoios.

oi apopseis sou dn einai la8os, o tropos skepshs sou einai asteios.mporw na ton kanw mia frash"oi ellhnes gamane" eleos dld. ase me thn allh vlakeia pou eipes "ma poios eipe tous ellhnes idaniko politismo??"
ehmm.. esy?

To an exo diabavasei istoria den mporeis na to krineis esy pantos sigoura.`
Tis gnoseis kapiou se otidipote thema mporei na tis katalavei apo ta epixeirimata ta opoia dinei.
Mallon esy exeis anoiksei mono ena vivlio otan edo kai se tosa post anafereis oti oi Spartiates klevane xoris na mas tpt allo apo tin Arxaia Ellada.
Den gnorizeis kan ton logo giati klevane.

Gia deikse mou to post pou anafero ton Elliniko Politismo san idaniko se parakalo kathoti auto einai diko sou simperasma kai oxi dika mou logia.

Kai an thes na to pame se prosopiko epipedo np alla na milame me epixeirimata apo edo kai pera kai na apantame o kathenas stis erotiseis tou allou.

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 02:47 PM
ama milaga gia lafura polemou tha elega.Lafyra polemou kai den milaw gia afta.
klevane apo tous idious tous tous simpolites.
ti enoow proodo?proodo onomazw tin anaptuksi tou politismou se sunthikes pou kanenas na min uperteri apo tous upolipous kai kaneis na min einai upodoulos kanenos.
giati min ksexname kai oi aiguptioi kanane foveres pyramides alla apo fobo tis ftiaksane oxi epidi to ithelan oi idioi.

Kai pios politismos einai autos pou den anaptixthike se varos kapiou allou?

Den ipirkse kai oute tha iparksei ena tetoios politismos apotelei mia outopia distixos.

History now : Tis piramides den tis kanane sklavoi stin arxaia Aigypto alla (eleutheroi) polites dioti theorousan timi na vriskontai kato apo tis diatages tou Pharaoh.Min ksexnate oti gia autous itan epigeios Theos kai i ergasia auti simaine oti tha eixan mia thesi dipla tou stin alli zoi.
Opote mono apo fovo den tis ekanan.
Gia alli mia fora deixneis oti den gnorizeis apo istoria kai apla les oti sou mathane sto sxoleio kai eides se amerikanikes tainies.

Ti eipes oti spoudazeis!!!!!!!!!!

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 02:51 PM
gia tin akriveia den thelane apla theorousan ton pharaoh os ekprosopo tou theou sti gi kai parallila ton fovontan kai ton sevontan... omos den tis eftiaxan mono aigiptioi tis pyramides ypirxan kai alloi laoi ypodouloi stous aigyptious pou xrisimopoiithikan os sklavoi stin kataskevi twn pyramidwn..
opos kai na exei den boro na katalavo ti ypostirizeis... ayto to thread einai gia tin tainia (asxeta an einai entelos akyro kai axristo) kai gia tous spartiates sigekrimena... pos to eftases stin sigxroni ellada xoris na ypostirizeis kati sigekrimeno den xero....

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 02:54 PM
to thema waffen einai oti kai oi ellines apo kapou allou piran tis vaseis gia na ftasoun sto epipedo pou eftasan...

Sosta file mou alla eite kapioi to theloun eite oxi pirame 2 kai dosame 20.

Den ipotimisa kanenan lao kai politismo.

Alla den mporo na akouo apo anistoritous oti vlakeia exoun akousei apo deksia kai aristera xoris na exoun anoiksei kanena vivlio.

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 02:58 PM
den leo, oti pirame to veltiosame kata arketa... to idio kai kapoioi alloi... episis kai ta vivlia apo aytous pou ta lene exoun graftei opote na min ta ypostirizeis me toso pathos... eidika ta sxolika. opos kai na exei meta apo tosa xronia den boreis na eise sigouros gia to ti egine opote den exei kanena noima na daifonoume pano sayto...

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 03:04 PM
gia tin akriveia den thelane apla theorousan ton pharaoh os ekprosopo tou theou sti gi kai parallila ton fovontan kai ton sevontan... omos den tis eftiaxan mono aigiptioi tis pyramides ypirxan kai alloi laoi ypodouloi stous aigyptious pou xrisimopoiithikan os sklavoi stin kataskevi twn pyramidwn..
opos kai na exei den boro na katalavo ti ypostirizeis... ayto to thread einai gia tin tainia (asxeta an einai entelos akyro kai axristo) kai gia tous spartiates sigekrimena... pos to eftases stin sigxroni ellada xoris na ypostirizeis kati sigekrimeno den xero....

Ksekola apo ta sxolika vivlia.
Den itan ekprosopoi alla theoi to exeis mperdepsei me allous laous (vlepe Romaioi)
Den xrisimopoithikan douloi gia tis piramides para mono ena poli mikros arithmos to 95% itan (eleutheroi) Aigiptioi.
Mpes National Geographic History kai tha deis ti leo.

Profanos den exeis diavasei pos ksekinise olo to thread para mono diavase apospasmata tou.

Kai stin sigxroni Ellada eftasa dioti kapoios anefere oti eimaste aniprkti tin sigxroni epoxi (an diavazes olo to thread tha to evlepes kai den tha to aneferes)

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 03:11 PM
den leo, oti pirame to veltiosame kata arketa... to idio kai kapoioi alloi... episis kai ta vivlia apo aytous pou ta lene exoun graftei opote na min ta ypostirizeis me toso pathos... eidika ta sxolika. opos kai na exei meta apo tosa xronia den boreis na eise sigouros gia to ti egine opote den exei kanena noima na daifonoume pano sayto...

Pote the theorisa ta istorika sxolika vivlia pigi gnoseis kai alitheias kathoti an psakseis arketa tha deis oti exoun megales istorikes anakriveies kai kena (polla ithilemena)

Panta otan thelo na meletiso kapoio istoriko thema to opoio den gnorizo anazito polles kai egkires piges prin katalikso kapou.
To megalitero lathos einai na diavaseis mono ena istoriko vivlio kai na patas pano ekei.

happyhippo
12-22-2006, 03:15 PM
ki omos to diavasa... apla leo pos den einai logiko se ena thread to opoio anaferete stis anakriveies tis tainia apo mia apantisi na to ftasoume se diamaxi gia to epipedo tis Arxaias-neas elladas... kai poios mou leei oti to national gegraphic history leei tin alitheia? kai an tin leei apo pou tin emathe? kai apo ekei pou tin emathe elege tin alitheia? epeidi den boreis na eise sigouros gia kati an den to exeis dei esy (pou oute kai tote boreis na eise 100% sigouros merikes fores) kalitera einai na mi daifoneite gia kati tetoia...
i diafora anamesa se theo kai ekprosopo theou otan metafrazeis apo ieroglyfika borei kai na min einai megali... ego etc exo diavasi etc pistevo... borei na kano lathos borei kai oxi.. esy omos den boreis na eise sigouros oti kano lathos. ektos ki an eise time-traveller, opote pao paso...

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 03:30 PM
ki omos to diavasa... apla leo pos den einai logiko se ena thread to opoio anaferete stis anakriveies tis tainia apo mia apantisi na to ftasoume se diamaxi gia to epipedo tis Arxaias-neas elladas... kai poios mou leei oti to national gegraphic history leei tin alitheia? kai an tin leei apo pou tin emathe? kai apo ekei pou tin emathe elege tin alitheia? epeidi den boreis na eise sigouros gia kati an den to exeis dei esy (pou oute kai tote boreis na eise 100% sigouros merikes fores) kalitera einai na mi daifoneite gia kati tetoia...
i diafora anamesa se theo kai ekprosopo theou otan metafrazeis apo ieroglyfika borei kai na min einai megali... ego etc exo diavasi etc pistevo... borei na kano lathos borei kai oxi.. esy omos den boreis na eise sigouros oti kano lathos. ektos ki an eise time-traveller, opote pao paso...

Pote den mporeis na eisai sigouros 100% gia kati pou sinevi prin xiliades xronia kai eidika otan prokeitai gia polemous.
Alla mporeis na eisai 100% sigouros gia ta mathimatika,gia tin geometria,gia tin astronomia,gia tin arxitektoniki kai gia polles alles thetikes epistimes.

Apla to olo thema ksekinise apo tin pliris apaksiosi kapoion gia ton politismo mas.


O Ra itan pharaoh opos kai o Osiris pou latrevontan san Theoi stin arxaia Aigypto.

tier7
12-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Tis piramides den tis kanane sklavoi stin arxaia Aigypto alla (eleutheroi) polites dioti theorousan timi na vriskontai kato apo tis diatages tou Pharaoh.

ok ok.
afto einai to telefteo post mou se afto to thread halasa arketo xrono kai upomoni me ton megalo istoriko WAFFEN.

happy hippo gia na katalabeis oti kati den paei kala den xriazese sugriseis apli logiki thes tpt idietero.

WAFFEN tha eimoun to ligotero ilithios an eimoun ena aplo ferefono gia tous upolipous ferefono apo amerikanikes tainies kai sxoleio.alla bebea oti erxete se antithesi me tous ellinarades einai amerikaniko giati min to ksexname oi amerikanoi kai oi albanoi ftene gia ola.

apla prospathise na swseis ligo to kefali sou giati stoxoun kapsei.

telos waffen oi aiguptioi itan upodouloi sto THEO TOUS PHARAOH giati gia theo ton eixan OXI EKLEKTO TOU THEOU ALLA THEO.i moni eleftheria pou mporeis na tous anagnwriseis einai oti an itan douleftarades apo hamilides mporousan na doulepsoun gia ton theo tous.i parapliroforisi i idia eisai WAFFEN perneis meridio apo tin Xrusi Avgi ?

i proodos epitigxanete me eleftheria oxi me sklabia.

dead walker
12-22-2006, 03:50 PM
apla +1 ston tier kai bravo pou dn ton evrise

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 03:51 PM
ok ok.
afto einai to telefteo post mou se afto to thread halasa arketo xrono kai upomoni me ton megalo istoriko WAFFEN.

happy hippo gia na katalabeis oti kati den paei kala den xriazese sugriseis apli logiki thes tpt idietero.

WAFFEN tha eimoun to ligotero ilithios an eimoun ena aplo ferefono gia tous upolipous ferefono apo amerikanikes tainies kai sxoleio.alla bebea oti erxete se antithesi me tous ellinarades einai amerikaniko giati min to ksexname oi amerikanoi kai oi albanoi ftene gia ola.

apla prospathise na swseis ligo to kefali sou giati stoxoun kapsei.

telos waffen oi aiguptioi itan upodouloi sto THEO TOUS PHARAOH giati gia theo ton eixan OXI EKLEKTO TOU THEOU ALLA THEO.i moni eleftheria pou mporeis na tous anagnwriseis einai oti an itan douleftarades apo hamilides mporousan na doulepsoun gia ton theo tous.i parapliroforisi i idia eisai WAFFEN perneis meridio apo tin Xrusi Avgi ?

i proodos epitigxanete me eleftheria oxi me sklabia.


An den to prosekses to eleutheroi to exo valeis mesa se eisagogika pou pofanos den ksereis ti simainoun.

Mipos ta mperdepses ligaki me ta post ore palikare!!!!!

Ego eipa otin itan Theoi oi pharaoh gia tous Aigiptious kai kapoios allos aneferai oti itan eklektoi kai ton diorthosa me paradeigmata.
Oute ksereis ti diavazeis pleon ta exeis xasei entelos prospathontas na mou tin peis pragma to opoio opos apedeikses gia alli mia fora den mporeis.

Des ti grafo kai meta mila.

Eite eimai koumounistis eite xrisaugitis eite otidipote allo ofeileis na to sevasteis kai an den mporeis na kaneis dialogo me ton ipiodipote giati den gnorizeis min ton arxizeis.
Kai pano sto thema istorias eisai entelos asxetos.
Ante loipon pane anoikse kana vivlio mpas kai matheis tpt.

Exeis tin entiposi oti den eisai ferefono kanenos akomi!!!!
Tora pos to piges sto ferefono ton amerikanon den ksero.
Ego apla anefere tainies tou hollywood me thema tin arxaia Aigipto tespa ta exeis mperdepsei ola sto mialoudaki sou kai den ksereis ti les.

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 03:53 PM
Ksekola apo ta sxolika vivlia.
Den itan ekprosopoi alla theoi to exeis mperdepsei me allous laous (vlepe Romaioi)
Den xrisimopoithikan douloi gia tis piramides para mono ena poli mikros arithmos to 95% itan (eleutheroi) Aigiptioi.
Mpes National Geographic History kai tha deis ti leo.

Profanos den exeis diavasei pos ksekinise olo to thread para mono diavase apospasmata tou.

Kai stin sigxroni Ellada eftasa dioti kapoios anefere oti eimaste aniprkti tin sigxroni epoxi (an diavazes olo to thread tha to evlepes kai den tha to aneferes)

gia pes mou loipon esu me paradeigmata sti sugxroni epoxh, stin ellada tou 2007 me to kalo pou uparxoume?des oles tis ekfanseis ths dhmosias zwis autou tou topou kai pes mou uparxoume?politismo simera paragoume?ki an nai pou provalletai?

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:07 PM
teleiws proswpika milwntas uparxei ena kratos edw pera tou opoiou i istoria eidika meta to 1821 kai meta nomizeis oti tin exoun grapsei papades,nomizeis oti uparxei mia veltiwmeni ekdosi tou iran,enos kathestwtos dld theokratikou.Milame gia ena kratos pou den exei ta kotsia na valei sti thesi tis tin ekklisia...gia ena kratos pou oi axiwmatouxoi tou dilwnoun opou stathoun ki opou vrethoun tin pisti tous stin orthodoxia kai stin arrhkti sxesi tou ellinismou me to xristianismo.Apo pou ki ws pou?na i antifasi tous amesws,miloun gia ta katorthwmata tis Arxaias Elladas,mias Elladas pou o xristianismos kunigise kai diwxe lussasmena.
kai telospantwn milame gia mia xwra pou 15 xronia meta to skopiano den exei kaneis tin tolmh na bgei kai na pei oti xerete kati palia oi skopianoi anikan stin euruteri valkaniki perioxi pou onomazotan Makedonia,den pa na legontai opws theloun se teliki analusi?mia xwra pou o prwthupourgos tis sta imia den ixere ti na kanei kai zitouse na mathei kanones emplokis ti stigmi pou oi alloi eixan mountarei sti vraxonisida.mia xwra pou didaskei ton arxaio politismo me enan ilithio tropo sta sxoleia kanontas ta paidia na ton antipathoun.mia xwra pou epi 7xronia eixe diktatoria,den eixe maziki antistasi kai to megalo pososto tou laou itan eutuxismeno mias kai moirazontan lefta(ta provlimata tis xuntas arxisan na emfanizontai otan parousiastikan ta megala oikonomika provlimata).kai pou to 90/100 twn politikwn tis exoun karriera provalontas tin antidiktatoriki tous stash (ek Parisiwn....)

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:08 PM
gia pes mou loipon esu me paradeigmata sti sugxroni epoxh, stin ellada tou 2007 me to kalo pou uparxoume?des oles tis ekfanseis ths dhmosias zwis autou tou topou kai pes mou uparxoume?politismo simera paragoume?ki an nai pou provalletai?

Esy theleis na sou po gia to 2007 mono ksexnontas oti i sigxroni istoria tis Elladas exei molis meta vias 200 xronia zoi.

Alla tha sou po ksexnas oti eimaste Kratos melos tis EE kai autin tin stigmi kratame sta xeria mas tin Tourkia gia na lithei to Kypriako kai i ifalokripida.

Tha simfoniso oti politismo den paragoume distixos,dioti edo kai 60 xronia trogomaste metaksi mas gia ta politika.Vlepoume o enas ton allon san exthro kai anti na leitourgoume gia to koino kalo vlepoume mono to prosopiko kerdos mas.
Panta to eixame auto to meionektima san laos alla simera i katastasi einai tragiki.

To mono sigouro einai oti an den valoume grigora mialo tha to plirosoume asxima.
Gia auto prepei na ksipnisoume grigora apo ton lithargo ston opoio zoume oloi mas se autin tin xora.

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:11 PM
i tourkia exarta tin eisodo tis stin EE apo tis diatheseis kai ta sumferonta twn Amerikanwn kata kurio logo kai twn megalwn(?) eurwpaikwn dunamewn kata 2o.ama theloun autoi na tin valoun tha ti valoune me to zori stin EE.oso gia to ti kerdizoume emeis apo tin EE einai megali kouventa.to sigouro einai oti to 2013 an den kanw lathos telos osa fagame kai osa ipiame,terma ta lefta kai na dw meta poso tha theloume na eimaste meros mias enwsis anuparktis politika(apenanti stous amerikanous panta)

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:18 PM
kai nai uparxei ena terastio egklima pou egine to 1922,otan kapoioi pou den ithelan dithen na prodwsoun ta thelw tou laou eftasan sto simeio na theloun na ftasoun stin agkura kai stin Kwn/polh,enw eixan kataferei na paroun ti Smurnh.Epedi eipwthike polles fores gia to an exume kanei egklimata,oxi gennoktonies den kaname,alla exoume kanei ithika terastia egklimata.otan oi prosfuges erxontan to 1922 i pleiopsifia twn ellinwn antivenizelikwn(nikitwn stis ekloges)tous elegan tourkosporous...gia na mi ftasoume sto simerino terastio egklima kai deigma poso mikroi eimaste se sxesi me tous progonous
gia pes mou i lexh alvanos simera mporei kallista na thewrithei vrisia nai i oxi?dustuxws simera akous auti ti lexi kai eisia sigouros oti den anaferetai stin ethnikotita tou allou.Exoume ftasei sto simeio na vrizoume autous pou mas evalan stin EE(nai nai autoi) autous pou mazi me allous pakistanous klp kanane tous olumpiakous agwnes(oxi den tous ekane i Gianna,autoi tous ekanan).

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:19 PM
teleiws proswpika milwntas uparxei ena kratos edw pera tou opoiou i istoria eidika meta to 1821 kai meta nomizeis oti tin exoun grapsei papades,nomizeis oti uparxei mia veltiwmeni ekdosi tou iran,enos kathestwtos dld theokratikou.Milame gia ena kratos pou den exei ta kotsia na valei sti thesi tis tin ekklisia...gia ena kratos pou oi axiwmatouxoi tou dilwnoun opou stathoun ki opou vrethoun tin pisti tous stin orthodoxia kai stin arrhkti sxesi tou ellinismou me to xristianismo.Apo pou ki ws pou?na i antifasi tous amesws,miloun gia ta katorthwmata tis Arxaias Elladas,mias Elladas pou o xristianismos kunigise kai diwxe lussasmena.
kai telospantwn milame gia mia xwra pou 15 xronia meta to skopiano den exei kaneis tin tolmh na bgei kai na pei oti xerete kati palia oi skopianoi anikan stin euruteri valkaniki perioxi pou onomazotan Makedonia,den pa na legontai opws theloun se teliki analusi?mia xwra pou o prwthupourgos tis sta imia den ixere ti na kanei kai zitouse na mathei kanones emplokis ti stigmi pou oi alloi eixan mountarei sti vraxonisida.mia xwra pou didaskei ton arxaio politismo me enan ilithio tropo sta sxoleia kanontas ta paidia na ton antipathoun.mia xwra pou epi 7xronia eixe diktatoria,den eixe maziki antistasi kai to megalo pososto tou laou itan eutuxismeno mias kai moirazontan lefta(ta provlimata tis xuntas arxisan na emfanizontai otan parousiastikan ta megala oikonomika provlimata).kai pou to 90/100 twn politikwn tis exoun karriera provalontas tin antidiktatoriki tous stash (ek Parisiwn....)


Sto thema Ekklisias-Kratous milas poli sosta kai simfono mazi sou.Prepei pleon na diaxoristoun auta ta 2 kai na einai entelos aneksartita metaksi tous.
Den mporei to sintagma na leei pos o kathenas mporei na pistevei opou thelei kai to idio to kratos na einai antitheto pros tin dimiourgia Tzamion kai allon ekklision apo alles thriskeies stin xora mas.

Alla distixos kanenas politikos den exei ta kotsia na kanei auton to diaxorismo dioti vlepei to politiko kostos pou auto metafrazetai se psifous.

Simfono kai se ola ta alla pou les kai auto deixnei peritrana poso provata mas exoun kanei.Simera tous vrizoume kai aurio tous xeirokrotame kai tous psifizoume.

Alla kati paei na allaksei an doume kai apo ta pososta apoxis ton teleutaion eklogon,kapoia merida arxizei na ksipnaei esto kai deila stin arxi.
Alla otan ksipnisei gia ta kala tha tous parei olous o diaolos kai to exoun katalavei gia auto kathe mera oi politikoi mas kai ta MME oriontai sta deltia tous.

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:25 PM
i tourkia exarta tin eisodo tis stin EE apo tis diatheseis kai ta sumferonta twn Amerikanwn kata kurio logo kai twn megalwn(?) eurwpaikwn dunamewn kata 2o.ama theloun autoi na tin valoun tha ti valoune me to zori stin EE.oso gia to ti kerdizoume emeis apo tin EE einai megali kouventa.to sigouro einai oti to 2013 an den kanw lathos telos osa fagame kai osa ipiame,terma ta lefta kai na dw meta poso tha theloume na eimaste meros mias enwsis anuparktis politika(apenanti stous amerikanous panta)

Idi ta prota prostima apo tin EE exoun pesei varia stin plati mas logo kakodiaxeiriseis ton ekastote kiverniseon mas.

Kai pragmati to 2013 ola stop kai tha mas kanoun elegxo ti kaname ola ta xrimata pou mas dosane gia tin anaptiksi tis xoras mas.
Kai pios tha ta plirosei les?
Mipos oi politikoi mas kai ta lamogia mipos?
Mpa
Emeis ta gidia tha ta plirosoume kai autoi tha zoune mesa stn xlidi.

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:28 PM
gi auto sou eixa pei stin arxi tou thread oti i monimi klapsa twn ellinwn kathe fora pou niwthoun na thigontai kai na fainontai poso adunamoi einai pagkosmiws, einai o arxaios klassikos politismos mas.ma emeis prwtoi didaxame ston kosmo ti dihmokratia i opoia ti einai en telei pes mou?einai i epivoli twn pollwn(kai dunatwn) stis adunames meiopsifies.i arxaia elliniki dhmokratia tis athinas ekane auto akrivws,leitourgouse vash tou sumferontos tis kai dielue sto zenith tis opoion antidrouse.H politistiki anaptuxi tis se megalo pososto apo ekei proerxetai,na sou thumisw mono tis katigories enantia ston Perikli oti soufrwne lefta apo to tameio tis athinaikis hgemonias kai eftiaxe ton Parthenwna to sumvolo tis megalhs autis dhmokratias.

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:35 PM
kai nai uparxei ena terastio egklima pou egine to 1922,otan kapoioi pou den ithelan dithen na prodwsoun ta thelw tou laou eftasan sto simeio na theloun na ftasoun stin agkura kai stin Kwn/polh,enw eixan kataferei na paroun ti Smurnh.Epedi eipwthike polles fores gia to an exume kanei egklimata,oxi gennoktonies den kaname,alla exoume kanei ithika terastia egklimata.otan oi prosfuges erxontan to 1922 i pleiopsifia twn ellinwn antivenizelikwn(nikitwn stis ekloges)tous elegan tourkosporous...gia na mi ftasoume sto simerino terastio egklima kai deigma poso mikroi eimaste se sxesi me tous progonous
gia pes mou i lexh alvanos simera mporei kallista na thewrithei vrisia nai i oxi?dustuxws simera akous auti ti lexi kai eisia sigouros oti den anaferetai stin ethnikotita tou allou.Exoume ftasei sto simeio na vrizoume autous pou mas evalan stin EE(nai nai autoi) autous pou mazi me allous pakistanous klp kanane tous olumpiakous agwnes(oxi den tous ekane i Gianna,autoi tous ekanan).


Pragmati to egklima tou 1922 itan me lita logia aparadekto.
Vlepeis otan oi politikoi vazoun to prosopiko kerdos tous pano apo ta ethnika simferonta tetoia tha ginontai panta.

Nai i leksi Alvanos exei katantisei vrisia alla mipos gia auto ftaiei o viopalestis Ellinas??
Mipos ena megalo meros tis euthinis feroun kai oi idioi oi Alvanoi?
Kai gia na min pareksigitho stin douleia exo Alvanous polites pous tou theoro polli perissotero aksious apo pollous Ellines pou gnorizo.

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:35 PM
ki epeidi anaferthike sto thread kapoies fores,nai o Hrodotos thewreitai o pateras tis istorias,giati einai o prwtos pou prospathei na perigrapsei istorika gegonota ki oxi na grpasei paramuthia opws oi prin apo auton.dinei vaseis gia tous epomenous(opws o thoukididis pou einai o megaluteros istorikos apo tote pou uparxei autos o kosmos) alla den einai axiopistos giati panta exei sto mualo tou tin euxaristisi autwn pou ton diavazoun,eksou kai oi polles upervoles tou(auto giati apo tus 300 tou lewnida xekinise to post)

warsmithzaf
12-22-2006, 04:39 PM
Pragmati to egklima tou 1922 itan me lita logia aparadekto.
Vlepeis otan oi politikoi vazoun to prosopiko kerdos tous pano apo ta ethnika simferonta tetoia tha ginontai panta.

Nai i leksi Alvanos exei katantisei vrisia alla mipos gia auto ftaiei o viopalestis Ellinas??
Mipos ena megalo meros tis euthinis feroun kai oi idioi oi Alvanoi?
Kai gia na min pareksigitho stin douleia exo Alvanous polites pous tou theoro polli perissotero aksious apo pollous Ellines pou gnorizo.

xereis ti exei xathei simera ligo polu?auti i ennoia tou viopalaisti.o ellinas simera dustixws einai tou tpt, tou aera tis arpaxtis,na piasoume tin kali suntomai kai eukola.episis o ellinas simera dilwnei anergos alla tautoxrona aporriptei tis douleies pou kanoun oi alvanoi ki alloi metanastes.tis thewrei upodeesteres,poios o ellinas pou exei paei sti germania kai ton diaolostelnan oli mera,pou exei paei ameriki australia kai exei kanei douleies "xeiroteres" apo autes pou kanoun oi metanastes stin ellada simera.To thlivero de einai na vlepeis anthrwpous apo prosfugikes perioxes na vrizoun tous metanastes ksexnwntas tis idies tus tis rizes,tous prosfuges pou irthan edw stin ellada kai kinigithikan polu mexri na steriwsoun.

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:44 PM
ki epeidi anaferthike sto thread kapoies fores,nai o Hrodotos thewreitai o pateras tis istorias,giati einai o prwtos pou prospathei na perigrapsei istorika gegonota ki oxi na grpasei paramuthia opws oi prin apo auton.dinei vaseis gia tous epomenous(opws o thoukididis pou einai o megaluteros istorikos apo tote pou uparxei autos o kosmos) alla den einai axiopistos giati panta exei sto mualo tou tin euxaristisi autwn pou ton diavazoun,eksou kai oi polles upervoles tou(auto giati apo tus 300 tou lewnida xekinise to post)

To anefera gia ton Hrodoto oti den mporei na apotelesei aksiologi pigi toulaxiston os pros tous arithmos pou parathetei.

To thema me ton Hrodoto an eides ksekinise dioti kapios ton amfisvitise san Istoriko,profanos den didaxtike opos ortha eipes pos theoreitai o pateras tis istorias.

Akomi pantos perimeno na mou pei ti itan.

WAFFEN
12-22-2006, 04:48 PM
gi auto sou eixa pei stin arxi tou thread oti i monimi klapsa twn ellinwn kathe fora pou niwthoun na thigontai kai na fainontai poso adunamoi einai pagkosmiws, einai o arxaios klassikos politismos mas.ma emeis prwtoi didaxame ston kosmo ti dihmokratia i opoia ti einai en telei pes mou?einai i epivoli twn pollwn(kai dunatwn) stis adunames meiopsifies.i arxaia elliniki dhmokratia tis athinas ekane auto akrivws,leitourgouse vash tou sumferontos tis kai dielue sto zenith tis opoion antidrouse.H politistiki anaptuxi tis se megalo pososto apo ekei proerxetai,na sou thumisw mono tis katigories enantia ston Perikli oti soufrwne lefta apo to tameio tis athinaikis hgemonias kai eftiaxe ton Parthenwna to sumvolo tis megalhs autis dhmokratias.

Apoliti dimokratia den ipirkse kai oute tha iparksei pote.
Nomizoume oti exoume dimokratia giati nomizoume oti emeis eklegoume autous pou mas kivernane eno stin pragmatikotita eimaste peithinia organa tous.

Kai na itan mono o Periklis paei kala.Ela omos pou einai kai o Sokratis,o Themistoklis,o Alkiviadis k.a.

Eipame auto to kako to exoume sto DNA mas.

MyTHoS_
12-22-2006, 09:18 PM
To thema me ton Hrodoto an eides ksekinise dioti kapios ton amfisvitise san Istoriko,profanos den didaxtike opos ortha eipes pos theoreitai o pateras tis istorias.

Akomi pantos perimeno na mou pei ti itan.
Afto paei mallon gia mena.Loipon:
Ο καρπος αντιθετα της προσωπικης του ερευνας παραμενει παντοτε ευδιακριτος. Εφαρμοσε την παρατηρηση(οψις = αυτοψια), την κριση του(γνωμη) και την αναζητηση(ιστοριη) και για να φθασει στην εκθεση των πραγματων διαχωριζει αξιολογικα τις δικες του διαπιστωσεις από οσα μεταφερει ως απλη και ανεξακριβωτη τοπικη παραδοση. Θεωρει τα προσωπικα του συμπερασματα ως την πιο αξιοπιστη υλη, υστερα παρουσιαζει οσα βρηκε ρωτωντας ντοπιους μαρτυρες και λεει ρητα ότι τις περισσοτερες φορες η παραδοση πρεπει να γινεται δεκτη χωρις ελεγχο. Τουτο όμως δεν μπορει να προβληθει ως αιτια για το ότι μεσα στην αφηγηση του υπαρχει αφθονη και διασπαρτη η μυθιστορια.

Ως ελαττωματα παλι του Ηροδοτου αναφερονται το ότι δεν διαθετει επαρκεις γνωσεις στρατιωτικη τακτικης, το ότι τα χρονολογικα δεδομενα που παραθετει είναι μαλλον αοριστα και οδηγουν σε λαθη και αντιφασεις, το ότι μας δινει ανακριβη στατιστικα στοιχεια και δεν εμβαθυνει στους μηχανισμους της πολιτικης δρασης, το ότι τονιζει υπερβολικα τον ρολο της προσωπικοτητας και τα προσωπικα κινητρα, μενοντας περισσοτερο από οσο πρεπει στις φιλοδοξιες και στα ατομικα προβληματα των πρωταγωνιστων, το ότι σε πολλα σημεια δειχνει αφελεια και ευπιστια, το ότι δεχεται αβασανιστα ότι του λενε –δεν πρεπει όμως σχετικα με αυτό να παραβλεπουμε το ότι ηταν υποχρεωμενος να παιρνει συχνα πληροφοριες από διερμηνεις, γιατι δεν γνωριζε τη γλωσσα των χωρων που επισκεπτοταν- το ότι στις παρεκβασεις του περιλαμβανει και διαχεει πολλα ασχετα πραγματα, το ότι οι μονολογοι, οι στιχομυθιες, οι συζητησεις που παρεμβαλλονται στη διηγηση του δεν εχουν πραγματικο ιστορικο χαρακτηρα και δεν μπορουν να περιεχουν αυθεντικα τα λογια των ομιλητων, το ότι διακατεχεται από την ιδεα της θειας παρεμβασεης στην ιστορια πιστευοντας στην ασταθεια της ανθρωπινης ευδαιμονιας και στην επεμβαση των θεων στη ζωη των θνητων, το ότι, τελος, δεν απορριπτει τους χρησμους, τους οιωνους, τα θεοσταλτα ονειρα ως εκφρασεις ενός ιστορικου βαθους.
Eggyklopaideia papyros larouse britannica selida 166 tomos 27

synexizw sto epomeno post gia na xwresoun afta pou 8elw na pw

MyTHoS_
12-22-2006, 09:28 PM
Pote den mporeis na eisai sigouros 100% gia kati pou sinevi prin xiliades xronia kai eidika otan prokeitai gia polemous.
Alla mporeis na eisai 100% sigouros gia ta mathimatika,gia tin geometria,gia tin astronomia,gia tin arxitektoniki kai gia polles alles thetikes epistimes.

Apla to olo thema ksekinise apo tin pliris apaksiosi kapoion gia ton politismo mas.
Edw den kserw an ennoeis emena alla an ontws ennoeis emena mallon la8os katalaves.Egw den eipa oti oi arxaioi ellhnes htan malakes h oti den vrhkan tpt.Apla den mporw na vlepw kati tetoia:
Pes mou mia epistimi pano stin opoia den stirixtikan oloi oi sigxronoi epistimones pou den ksekinise apo tin Ellada.
Kai min mou peis tora kamia pliroforiki giati kai auti pano sta mathimatika einai stirigmeni.
ta opoia profanws ek8eiazoun ton ellhniko politismo ka8ws exoun mia logikh oti ta panta ksekinhsan apo tous ellhnes kai mono antikeimenika den mporoun na 8ewrh8oun.Giati?Endeiktika anaferw:
Οι πρωτες ενδειξεις αστρονομικων γνωσεων βρεθηκαν σε σχεδια πανω από κεραμεικα ηλικιας 6000 χρονων, που ανακαλυφθηκαν στην περιοχη του ποταμου Τιγρη στη Μεσοποταμια.Τα σχεδια αυτά παριστανουν τον Ηλιο, τη Σεληνη και τους αστερες.
selida 71 tomos 12 idia eggyklopaideia
Η προτεραιοτητα στην αναπτυξη των μαθηματικων ανηκει στη Βαβυλωνια οπου αριθμητικες, αλγεβρικες και γεωμετρικες μεθοδοι χρησιμοποιηθηκαν τουλαχιστον από την εποχη της δυναστειας του Χαμμουραμπι γυρω στο 1700 π.Χ
selida 10 tomos 40 idia eggyklopaideia
Iatrikh exoume pali ta idia des selida 9-10 tomos 29(variemai na ta grafw sto word ta keimena).
Btw ta parapanw symvola pou xrhsimopoihsa - dhladh ta ( ) - legontai paren8eseis kai oxi eisagwgika.Kai otan vazoume kati se paren8esh den exei th shmasia pou exei otan to vazoume se eisagwgika.
Den prokeitai na synexisw afth th syzhthsh 1on giati mou fainetai teleiws anousio na analwnomai se syzhthseis gia to poios anakalypse ti kai 2on giati exoume ksefygei para poly.

AZXD3333
12-23-2006, 04:30 AM
.Η προτεραιοτητα στην αναπτυξη των μαθηματικων ανηκει στη Βαβυλωνια οπου αριθμητικες, αλγεβρικες και γεωμετρικες μεθοδοι χρησιμοποιηθηκαν τουλαχιστον από την εποχη της δυναστειας του Χαμμουραμπι γυρω στο 1700 π.Χ

ta panta einai reusta.to na sxediazw ena kuklo sthn ammo esy mporei na to 8ewreis gewmetria,enw egw na 8elw th diametro tou.
kata ton idio tropo ta orfika miloun gia th dhmiourgia tou sympantos me episthmonikes leptomereies..

kata ton idio tropo pou vgazoun polloi ton Hrodoto pseuth mporw na vgalw olous tous istorikous pseutes kai doloplokous.
btw den einai mono enas Hrodotos,enas Aristotelhs ki enas Swkraths..einai ekatontades arxaioi Ellhnes.parte ena paradeigma.
- Anaximander
- 610 BC to 546 BC
- Made the first map of the world.
- Declared all creatures emerged from water and men were evolved from fish. Also asked the question if people rest on the earth, what does the earth rest upon? And if the earth does rest upon something, what does this something rest upon? Seeing this as a problem of infinite regression he surmised the world couldn’t possibly be resting upon anything and must be floating in space supported by nothing.

p.s. zhtw adeia na postarw enan "Arxaio" thn hmera :p
p.s.2 an 8elete kai thn apopsh twn Perswn diavaste gia thn "Autokratoria twn Achaemenidwn".

WAFFEN
12-23-2006, 10:21 AM
Edw den kserw an ennoeis emena alla an ontws ennoeis emena mallon la8os katalaves.Egw den eipa oti oi arxaioi ellhnes htan malakes h oti den vrhkan tpt.Apla den mporw na vlepw kati tetoia:

ta opoia profanws ek8eiazoun ton ellhniko politismo ka8ws exoun mia logikh oti ta panta ksekinhsan apo tous ellhnes kai mono antikeimenika den mporoun na 8ewrh8oun.Giati?Endeiktika anaferw:

selida 71 tomos 12 idia eggyklopaideia

selida 10 tomos 40 idia eggyklopaideia
Iatrikh exoume pali ta idia des selida 9-10 tomos 29(variemai na ta grafw sto word ta keimena).
Btw ta parapanw symvola pou xrhsimopoihsa - dhladh ta ( ) - legontai paren8eseis kai oxi eisagwgika.Kai otan vazoume kati se paren8esh den exei th shmasia pou exei otan to vazoume se eisagwgika.
Den prokeitai na synexisw afth th syzhthsh 1on giati mou fainetai teleiws anousio na analwnomai se syzhthseis gia to poios anakalypse ti kai 2on giati exoume ksefygei para poly.

Oxi to proto den anaferotan se esena alla se kapoion allon pou milise apaksiotika gia tous Ellines kai prospathise na tous vgalei polemoxarous,lafiragogous kai kleftes.

Kaneis den mporei na amfisvitisei ta erga kanenos megalou politismou opios kai na einai autos.
Pragmati oi Ellines piran polla kai autoi apo allous laous kai ta eftasan se tetoio epipedo pou kseperastikan meta apo 1000 kai kati xronia.
Allo einai na paristaneis se sxedia ton ilio kai ta astra kai allo na les me vasi ta mathimatika oti i gi einai stroggili kai na les kai ti diametro exei.
Alloste as min ksexname oti meta ton messaiona oloi oi Evropaioi epesan me ta moutra pano sta Ellinika siggramata kai erga kai polla apo auta ta oikiopieithikan san dika tous (vlepe Galilaios gia paradeigma).

Kai to xeirotero einai oti emeis oi idioi ta kaigame kai ta petousame dioti ta theorousame eidololatrika erga me tis euxes tou klirou mas.
Opos vlepeis anafero kai ta arnitika mas san laos.
Pote den theorisa ton lao mas idaniko kai teleio alla den mporo na akouo kapious na milane xoris na gnorizoun tpt apo istoria.

Eimai stin douleia kai eite to pisteveis eite oxi eisagogika den exei auto to pliktrologio ola ta simvola einai ano kato sto keyboard allo patao kai allo vgazei.Opote se auto exeis dikio lathos mou pou den to dieukrinisa apo tin arxi.

Pragmati i sizitisi ksefige para poli kai an kapou se ethiksa prosopika sou zitao signomi lathos mou.

Oso gia ton Hrodoto ta gnorizo osa exeis anaferei parapano alla opos kai na exei theoreitai o pateras tis Istorias kathos einai o protos pou prospathise na grapsei istorika gegonota kai san protos pou itan itan fisiko epakoloutho na pesei se polla lathi.

El Diablo
12-25-2006, 12:24 PM
1) Gnorizeis giati oi Spartiates diatirousan panta toso aksiomaxo strato??
2) Kaneis to lathos na sigkrineis diaforetikes epoxes me tis simerines aksies kai idanika.
3) Mas aneferes oti oi Spartiates (anilika) eklevan gia na zisoun alla kai edo den gnorizeis tpt para mono oti akouse apo to sxoleio.


Άσε τους ρε WAFFEN, σάμπως νιώθουν τί λένε; Εγώ συμφωνώ απόλυτα μαζί σου, όχι διότι οι Έλληνες ήταν και άλλοι δε θα υπάρξουν σα και αυτούς, αλλά όταν ΟΛΟΣ ο υπόλοιπος παραδέχεται τα των προγόνων μου, -> μόνο ηλίθιοι και κομπλεξικοί λένε το αντίθετο...
Το λοιπόν...... στα "όπλα"... (υποθέτω ότι κατάλαβες...)

Dem0nHunt3r
12-25-2006, 12:32 PM
kamia sxesi me l2 re...
Oute emena den mou aresoun tainies me arxaious.
Gt varieme poli otan tis blepw.

MyTHoS_
12-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Dystyxws den mporesa na vgalw nohma apo ta 2 parapanw posts :/

dead walker
12-25-2006, 07:57 PM
Dystyxws den mporesa na vgalw nohma apo ta 2 parapanw posts :/


pisteyw ka8eta oti dn exoun

happyhippo
12-26-2006, 02:05 PM
plaka plaka ti ennoousan? eidika o demonhunter....

MyTHoS_
12-26-2006, 02:55 PM
o demonhunter paizei na apanthse se post pou egine sthn 3-5 selida
kala ta phge

bad_guy
01-09-2007, 07:11 PM
Den metadidw allo !

Gargod
01-09-2007, 07:31 PM
Psit, kake_tipe, na sou po poso me endiaferei i na sto kratiso gia meta? :)

bad_guy
01-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Psit, kake_tipe, na sou po poso me endiaferei i na sto kratiso gia meta? :)

Gia rixto !

Necromayhem
01-09-2007, 08:24 PM
Άσε τους ρε WAFFEN, σάμπως νιώθουν τί λένε; Εγώ συμφωνώ απόλυτα μαζί σου, όχι διότι οι Έλληνες ήταν και άλλοι δε θα υπάρξουν σα και αυτούς, αλλά όταν ΟΛΟΣ ο υπόλοιπος παραδέχεται τα των προγόνων μου, -> μόνο ηλίθιοι και κομπλεξικοί λένε το αντίθετο...
Το λοιπόν...... στα "όπλα"... (υποθέτω ότι κατάλαβες...)
oxi dn katalava tpta

pharmacist
01-13-2007, 05:02 PM
kalispera!de kserw pote egine auto to thread, eixa kairo na mbw sto off-topic section, alla mou arese arketa. pote tha bgei auti i tainia me tous 300 tou lewnida? btw diabasa kai tis 10 selides tou thread( lol ) kai eixe polles kai diaforetikes endiaferouses apopseis. 2 kiriws taseis opws tis katalaba egw : i mia pleura pou aisthanetai perifani gia tin politistiki tis klironomia, den apodexetai to midenismo kai tin apaksiwsi tis istorias tis apo tin arxaiotita-bizantio-tourkokratia-1940, kai pou lipatai gia ti katantia tou neo ellina kai i deuteri pleura pou poli apla thewrei tin arxaia ellada i meros tis; ena topo pou kapoioi g@y ebazan sklabous na douleuoun kai theoroun ntropi tous pou legontai ellines kathoti theoroun oti den ipirxan aksies,paradoseis,proodos kai genika tpt pou na aksizei na eisai perifanos gia tin istoria sou.

p.s :kapoios eipe gia tis "piles tis fwtias" (bariemai na ksanapsaxnw olo to thread :/ ). paidia ontws ta biblia tou steven pressfield einai poli wraia.exw diabasei 4 apo auta. tha goustara 1 thread-aki gia sxolia panw s auta. :)

euxaristw!!filika kwstas!

hilfraen
11-14-2010, 08:30 AM
Alla kse8amata kanei to bot leme!

FasTaker
11-14-2010, 05:39 PM
e auto pragmatika den to perimena...
ksethapse bot 3 xronia thameno thread...

hilfraen
11-19-2010, 08:31 AM
Alla ksethamata pali ta bot!
Post 2006 kai pisw kanoun na agoraoume kanena na mas briskei ta koula post pou exoun ginei!