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HrNb
05-30-2006, 08:45 AM
Ayto pou parathrw arketo kairo twra einai oti kanenas sta8mos thleorashs h genika MME den exei kanei kammia ekpomph-analysh(den exw dei egw kammia) me 8ema ta troxaia kai fysika oute exw akousei kati apo epishmo kareklokentayro.Aformh gia to thread sta8hke ena allo pou ekane ena paidi sto l2 section gia ta paidia pou skotw8hkan sto petalo prin merika xronia. Na h pragmatikothta -----> http://www.ydt.gr/main/Article.jsp?ArticleID=98890
Ta diabazw kai anatrixiazw thn wra pou kanenas ypey8ynos den fainetai na kanei kati...
Oi dromoi sthn idia kai xeiroterh a8lia katastash
To 90% twn odhgwn xwris kammia ousiastikh gnwsh panw sthn odhghsh
To kratos se rolo ka8ara eispraktiko....

To kranos kai h zwnh ontws swzoun zwes to ema8a kai gia ta 2 apo 1o xeri kai pali kala pou eimai edw gyrw akoma(kai mporei arketoi apo esas)

.MySteRy_
05-30-2006, 08:52 AM
den exeis adiko..
sumfonw apoluta mazi sou...
+1..

x_tenda_x
05-30-2006, 09:37 AM
Να σου πω την αληθεια φιλε οτι δρομους και να εχεις αν δεν εχεις μυαλο δε σε σωζει τιποτα και το κακο ειναι οτι πολλες φορες δεν κρατας μονο την δικια σου ζωη στα χερια σου αλλα και πολλων αλλων (και ειδικα των "τολμηρων" δικυκλιστων...)

Συνηθως δεν φταιει κανενας δρομος και κανενα "πεταλο του Θανατου" φταει η ολικη ελλειψη παιδειας και οδηγικης αντιληψης και γι αυτο δεν χρειαζεται καμια ερευνα και καμια εκπομπη οπως λες χρειαζεται ριζικη αλλαγη νοοτροπιας των οδηγων και κυριως αυτων που οδηγουν αμαξι.

Και κατι που αφορα το δυστηχημα στα Τεμπη
Εχει περασει ποτε απο τα Τεμπη?
Εχεις δει τον δρομο?
Για να τρεξεις σε αυτο το σημειο με πανω απο 40χλμ πρεπει να εισαι εντελως μα****ς η εντελως τρελος οποτε οτι στραβη γινετε εκει περα (μαζι και το πολυνεκρο) συνηθως φταει οτι καποιας εκανε ταρζανια σε ενα δρομο με 4 μετρα πλατος και οχι τα Τεμπη και το κρατος.

Τουλαχιστον ειναι καλο οτι υπαρχει μειωση στα τροχαια αλλα και παλι ειναι πολλα.
Ας ελπισουμε καποια στιγμη πισω απο τα τιμονια των αυτοκινητων να καθονται ανθρωποι και οχι ανθρωπομορφα ζωα....

MyTHoS_
05-30-2006, 02:28 PM
O sta8akis eixe mia ekpomph palia gia tetoia 8emata..Entelws tyxaia otan mphke sto dhmo stamatise(entelws tyxaia panta)
Symfwnw en merh me ton x_tenda_x ka8ws den pistevw oti panta einai afto to 8ema..Mhn ksexname tous skasmenous dromous pou profanws vrady den mporeis na diakrineis tis terasties lakouves enw otan vrexei h lakouva kalyptetai me nero kai tote einai pou ta vlepeis ola!
Epishs na mhn ksexname oti sta perissotera epikindyna merh pou exoun ginei troxaia, oi mpares asfaleias akoma den exoun antikatasta8ei(perimenoun na ta ekatosthsoun sto shmeio ta atyxhmata gia na to ftiaxoun ;) )

DanTe69
05-30-2006, 02:33 PM
sto 90% twn periptwsewn den ftaine oi lakouves..alla oi odigoi pou den 3eroun na odigoun

koka-kola
05-30-2006, 06:33 PM
me exei pathsei mhxanaki kai exw er8ei se face to face suzhthsh me ena touristiko lewfwreio.
kai tis 2 fores tolmw n pw oti htn apo aprose3ia m... panta etc sumbainei. an prosexei o ka8enas mas ligo, dn 8a sunevine tpt, alla otn o allos odhgaei me 3 L alkool sto aima t ti perimenou na ginei?kai otn vgainoun stn thleorash apospasmata me bouleutes(pneymatikous hgetes dh8en) opws meimarakhs kai boulgarakhs na odhgoun motosukleta xwris kranos... dn to vriskw paralogo n tous mimountaioloi, afou autoi dn timwrh8hkan kiolas...

x_tenda_x
05-30-2006, 10:50 PM
Ναι σιγουρα φταινε και οι λακουβες Mythos αλλα το θεμα ειναι οτι σιγουρα δεν ειναι αυτες που προκαλουν τα περισσοτερα ατυχηματα αλλα οι οδηγοι.

Εγω οδηγω μηχανακι και οποτε το καβαλαω προσεχω λες και παω σε μαχη,εχουν δει τα ματια μου απιστευτα πραγματα με το πλεον συχνο φαινομενο του να στριβει ο μπροστινος στ@@στης οποτε γουσταρει χωρις να βγαλει φλας η στην καλυτερη να βγαζει αφου οταν εχει στριψει.

Εητρα προσοχη οσοι οδηγατε δικυκλο γιατι δυστηχως πρεπει να προσεχουμε και ολους τους αλλους οχι μονο εμας.

HrNb
05-31-2006, 03:55 AM
Eimai 26 exw kanei 200k xlm se olh thn Ellada(apo Krhth mexri Ebro)me mhxanes(4 xronia) aytokinhta(8 xronia) forthga(1.5 xrono sto strato me 160 deltia kinhshs REO) kai eixa mexri stigmhs ena sobaro me thn mhxanh mou prin 6 mhnes otan enas *$&*@$# me ena terastio agrotiko Ford apofasise na kanei anastrofh apo thn deksia lwrida se fanari aristera(apagoreyotan na stripsei poso mallon na kanei anastrofh) kai me xtyphse sto plai.Eskasa me to kefali katw(ka8eta) kai thn glytwsa me 8lash ston ayxena kai 500 eyrw eksoda gia kainourgio kranos papoutsia ktl.Kai nai htan gkrizos(panw apo 50 xronwn) dhladh oi xeiroteroi odhgoi.Oti %$#@%$ blepw ston dromo kata 90% o/h odhgos exei griza mallia kai fysika odhgaei aytokinhto.Oi odhgoi mhxanhs mporei na kanoune kai aytoi *@$@@# den mporw na pw alla sto 95% twn periptwsewn den ftaine aytoi.

x_tenda_x
05-31-2006, 03:59 AM
Oi odhgoi mhxanhs mporei na kanoune kai aytoi *@$@@# den mporw na pw alla sto 95% twn periptwsewn den ftaine aytoi.

Δυστηχως ετσι ειναι

Gargod
05-31-2006, 04:02 AM
Ginaika sto timoni kai o 8anatos zigonei. ayto exo na po mono

Fake_
05-31-2006, 04:16 AM
Ginaika sto timoni kai o 8anatos zigonei. ayto exo na po mono
+1.Alla panta iparxei k i ekseresi na ksereis.
Kata tin gnomi m ftene k i dio pleures.
Opos ipe o Mythos_ mporei na brexei k na kaliptonte oi lakoubes k xilia dio ala,alla to kratos ferei tin kiria efthini.Gt file m na pernaw k na plirono diodia k o dromos na ine stin kiriolexia akatallilos?Esi eisai o exipnos p kathese k ta eisprateis?
An theloun na exoume diodia na frontizoun tous dromous k mono tous dromous me afta ta esoda k oxi tin kilia tous...
Prepei na parthoun metra opos fota pantou na asfaltothoun oi dromoi(stin germania an deis dromo paei emeines.tous stronoun se takta xronika diastimata k oxi kathe 2-5 xronia.),na iparxei troxaia p na epembenei na kobonte kliseis gt o Ellin an dn pathei dn tha mathei!Prepei na simorfothoun kai oi odigoi me tous kanounes odikis kikloforias k oxi na ginete afti i mlkia me ta diplomata p ta dinoun san xartopetsetes.px o pappous mou 78 xronon k tou bgalan diploma enw dn blepei katholou.An xtipisei kanenan ti tha ginei.tha poun dn ide p ebgene i aneptixe taxitita eno to mazda paei mexri 50km/h.Dn prepei na pinoume alkool.A k pareptitontos akouste afto.Tha iparxei sti xora mas ena poto p tha to pinoun oi methismenoi k se 45min tha ksemethane.


To simperasma m ine oti prepei na allaxei genika to sistima.Emeis omos opos panta tha psifizoume opion kanei polla rousfetia.Sorry gia tin ekfrasi alla imaste san <<parakmiako mpourdelo>>.

tier7
05-31-2006, 04:33 AM
Tha iparxei sti xora mas ena poto p tha to pinoun oi methismenoi k se 45min tha ksemethane.

me tin sokolata gunete kati paromio.

x_tenda_x
05-31-2006, 04:35 AM
Με την σοκολατα δεν ξεμεθας απλα δεν σε "πιανει" το αλκοτεστ

tier7
05-31-2006, 04:38 AM
e kati paromio :lol:

HrNb
05-31-2006, 08:10 AM
Ginaika sto timoni kai o 8anatos zigonei. ayto exo na po mono-1 gia ton aplo logo oti oi gynaikes mporei na einai koules(to 90% oso kai na tis agapame einai) alla------>Den kanoun genika polla atyxhmata kai otan emplekontai se atyxhma einai synh8ws me mikrh taxythta kai me mikres ylikes zhmies.Gia ayto to logo merikes asfalistikes etairies dinoune meiwmeno asfalistro stis gynaikes.Emeis oi drivers me ta @@ ws to patwma ta kanoume ta 8anathfora kata kyrio logo kai thn leme stis kyries pou pane san kotes me th myth na akoumpaei to timoni.....

Gargod
05-31-2006, 08:31 AM
sosti i apopsi sou...oi antres einai pou spane kefalia me ta ama3ia :/

pantos ego simera otan girnaga apo to sxoleio mia ili8ia mou ekane nevma na peraso, kai me to pou perasa gazose pali me apotelesma na me xtipisei o ka8reftis sto xeri kai na mou gamisei ena nixi, me tin paliopsola

ÍOΓ”tyramolas
05-31-2006, 10:38 AM
Sou halase to pedikiour? T_T

DarkSoul
05-31-2006, 01:44 PM
xmm pou na deite kai stin mukono (kai se alla nhsia fantazomai)
pos na min uparxoun troxaia otan

to xeimwna den uparxei dromos xoris mpaza lakouves xomata kakotexnies

to kalokairi skasmenh asfaltos
germanides pou anevenoun proti fora sto enoikiazomeno motorbike
simata stop pisw apo kalamies
diastavroseis pou kaneis den tirei protereotites
papoudes 70 xronwn sto timoni
ksan8ies aneksartitou ilikias
kolopaida pou kanoun souzes opou vre8oun (filos mou na kanei souza mprosta mou se periferiako dromo ..peftei katw kai konteuw na ton patisw..)
touristes me magio kai sagionares panw se mhxanes
amaksia parafortomena
kai mpatsoi na kanoun ta strava matia sta "rent a bike" kai na kovoun klhseis gia 1 spasmeno fws

t-t

El Diablo
06-01-2006, 12:18 AM
sto 90% twn periptwsewn den ftaine oi lakouves..alla oi odigoi pou den 3eroun na odigoun

+1

O odhgos prepei na phgainei sumfwna me th katastash twn dromwn kai oxi ean p.x. sou leei oti sthn E8nikh einai to orio 120 xlm/wra.
:arrow: Ean mporeis na pas to polu me 60, pas me 60. Teleia kai paula, den einai upo suzhthsh to 8ema.
Ta perissotera atuxhmata ginontai apo an8rwpinh amelia, kai spaniotata apo "atuxies tou dromou"...

Lucius
06-01-2006, 12:35 AM
Apo tote pou eginan ftina ta autokinita exei parei i kathe xazogkomena kai o kathe pappous. Oi statistikes atiximatos auksanontai loipon.

Distixos o Ellinas den exei odigiki paideia.

HrNb
06-01-2006, 01:12 AM
Panta eixame polla atyxhmata kai oi aities gia emena einai oi ekshs:

1on) Oi megalyteroi se hlikia epeidh prin 30-40 xronia den yphrxane polla aytokinhta stous dromous "ma8ane" na odhgane sta 35+ me apotelesma na mhn didaxtoun swsta kai oti kseroune einai apo empeiria kai mono.

2on)Sthn sygxronh epoxh pou "ma8ainoun" sta 18 ta ma8hmata pou plhrwnoun panakriba kai to diplwma pou pernoun einai eikonika.Den ma8ainoun ousiastika pragmata kai ama den exei asxolei8ei o idios/a gia thn apimorfwsh tou se 8emata odikhs symperiforas den kseroun TIPOTA.Rwthste kai to 90% den 8a kserei ti einai yper/ypostrofh kai pws mporei na swsei mia eksodo.Apo thn allh yparxei kai to EGW TA KSERW OLA kai paw teza pantou me to fovero amaksi/mhxanaki mou me tis pleon tragikes synepeies afou oi taxythtes einai poly megales.Kakh ektimhsh twn dynatothtwn mas(proswpikes kai aytokinhtou/mhxanhs) einai pio epikindynh apo thn koulamara thn opoia anagnwrizei kapoios oti exei.Px fobero sthsimo to Rallye kai to VTS alla kapoia toubla nomizan oti eixane Ferrari kai akoma xeirotera nomizane oti to eixane thn stigmh pou OLA ta periodika eidikou typou legane--->FOVERO STHSIMO ALLA 8ELEI XERIA STO ORIO.Ante pes sto mpampa meta pws to mpoumpouki tou,pou efyge apo ton dromo me 150 thn stigmh pou h strofh den htane gia panw apo 100, oti EFTAIGE ayto kai oxi to rallye pou tou phre dwro otan ekleise ta 18.

3on)Epikratei h logikh tou ela mwre gia mesa sthn polh to 8elw to aytokinhto/mhxanaki kai panw apo 50 den paw h ela mwre gia ayto pou to 8elw to aytokinhto/mhxanaki mou ftanoun ayta pou nomizw oti kserw.Ayto se gynaikes kyriws kai pio ligo se antres.

4on)Den yparxoun eidikes sxoles odhghshs pou ekpaideyoune tous odhgous se pragmatikes syn8hkes alla se periballon pistas pws na elegxoune to aytokinhto/mhxanh.Mia eixe o Iaberhs kai merika periodika organonoune pou kai pou seminaria me ekpaideytes agwnizomenous.Sto ekswteriko yparxoun sxoles agwnistikhs odhghshs pou me sxetika mikro kostos se ma8ainoune pragmatikh odhghsh kai pws na elegxeis to aytokinhto/mhxanh se poly asfaleis syn8hkes.

5on)Kakh katastash twn dromwn,kakotexnies,fwtismos klp.Gia osous kseroun o dromos kanonika exei 3 strwseis-->Mia gia thn sthriksh twn allwn 2,kati san bash dhladh,mia mesaia pou einai h asfaltos kai allh mia pou einai antiolis8itikh me eidiko sxediasmo gia to grhgoro stegnwma tou dromou meta apo broxh.O monos dromos sthn ellada pou exei to 3o strwma einai h Attikh Odos.

6on)H kinhsh stous dromous twn polewn h opoia ekneyrizei tous odhgous.Paradeigma eisai sto fanari me thn mhxanh prwtos kai opws anabei prasino o/h odhgos tou koutiou gkazwnei kai pernaei dipla apo to podi sou sta 5cm gia na stamathsei 20 metra pio mprosta sta ypoloipa mplokarismena koutia me tous frikarismenous odhgous.H mesh taxythta sthn A8hna einai 8xlm an 8ymamai kala pou se wres aixmhs peftei sta 4-5xlm.Mexri kai episthmonikos oros yparxei "Road Rage" (nomizw)

Mporei na yparxoun kai alloi logoi aytoi mou hr8ane ayth thn stigmh...

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7on)Apousia astynomeyshs kai prostasias twn odhgwn apo piwmenous,kourasmenous,xapakwmenous,grhgorous ktl "odhgous" kai h genikh atimwrisia.O ka8enas oti 8elei kanei ston dromo xwris ton fovo tou an me piasoune 8a mou kopsoune ton k**o.Exw dei typous polles fores na stamatane sto aristero reyma kentrikwn dromwn kai na kleinoune ton dromo entelws ATARAXOI me flash oti 8a pane aristera enw den yparxei fanari gia ekei oute tpt...mono papakia kseroune na astynomeyoun oi filoi mas kata ta alla mpatsoi...

Zerotronic
06-09-2006, 03:14 AM
Ginaika sto timoni kai o 8anatos zigonei. ayto exo na po mono

min to les afto... ki ego etsi pisteva gia para poli kairo alla meta apo 3 sovara atiximata me mixani (eytixos sto ena ti glitosa xoris sovarous travmatismous) kateli3a sto simperasma oti kai oi ginaikes einai opos oloi oi alloi.

Tin proti fora vlakas pitsirikas efige me kokkino -> apotelesma spasmenos omos kai 2 mines krevati kai anarotiki ap ti douleia
ti 2i fora vlakas pou stamatise apotoma mprosta mou -> apotelesma thlasi sta pleyra kai kakoseis ston astragalo (tha mou peis as kratages apostaseis... ti na po dikio exeis)
tin 3i fora vlakas estripse aristera me kokkino kai me pire paramazoma -> apotelesma (eytixos mia oraiotati melania afirimenis texnis sti lekani)

kai stis treis periptoseis odigoi adres. kai stis treis periptoseis to kranos SOZEI zoes (kai fisika to dermatino mpoufan se vgazei apo polla alla provlimata ^^ )