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karamonde
11-05-2005, 02:27 PM
8a h8ela na akousw th gnwmh twn mellwn tou forum gia to ratsismo, thn 3enofobia kai th misalodo3ia.
Na pw th dikh mou me liga logia:

Kati eleino kai a8lio pou anoikei sto parel8on kai den prepei na epitrepetai pote na 3eproballei pleon.

Bal-sagoth
11-05-2005, 02:51 PM
odws o ratsismos eine ena a8lio pragma
yparxoun distixws atoma kai stis meres mas pou ton yposthrizoun
ala den ginete na eimaste oloi kaloi kapios 8a prpei na kanei kai ton kako

kaiz3r
11-05-2005, 03:11 PM
Den eimaste emeis ratsistes,autoi einai alvanoi...

BANNED xaxa
11-05-2005, 04:24 PM
lol kako pragma o ratsismos(eksairountai alvanoi kai tourkoi)

12345678954
11-05-2005, 04:39 PM
periergo pragma o ratsismos [poli periergo}den moy ftanoyn i selides gia na milisw gia to thema tha pesei to forum.

DragonPower
11-05-2005, 04:42 PM
ontos....kai kala oi perisoteroi to briskoune magkia na derneis ksenous kai to pezoun ratsistes ala stin pragmatikotita dn einai

kai to kuriotero: 2 pragmata sixenomai......to ratsismo....kai tous alvanous !!

tier
11-05-2005, 05:20 PM
....
miso tous albanous pos na to kanoume?ama me stravokitaksoun den kserw kai gw ti 8a ginei....>o ratsismos opos lene poli den einai thema paidias alla einai thema empirias..kai pistepste me me tous albanous kai tous tourkous den exw kai tis kaliteres...
antithetos me tous mavrous eimai mia xara.pote den mou exei tixi na akousw kati asximo giaftous :? mia xara an8ropoi einai...oxi san kati alla miazmata pou aftoapokalounta an8ropoi opos oi albanoi...

BlackAdder
11-05-2005, 05:21 PM
MHPWS 8ES KAI MIA EK8ESH GIA THN APOTAMIEYSH?!...

Zildjian
11-05-2005, 05:23 PM
Ratsismos einai ili8ios gt olooi oi an8ropoi einai isi..akoma kai albanoi..epidi ta poio pola atoma apo tous albanous mporei na einai kleftes klp..den simenei pos einai olos o laos..kai oi tourkoi..den fteei o laos alla oi anthropoi pou kibernoun tin xora..
p.x.dld enas astegos tourkos se ti fteei?
na leme ta pragmata sosta na min ta paraliptoume

tier
11-05-2005, 05:35 PM
esi den ta les sosta..den mporeis na eisai ratsistis me tis katastasis alla me tous laous.....
tora ama tora sxedon oli i egklimatikotita tis polis opou zeis stirizete stous albanous kai se klepsounn meta ella na mou pis perei isotitas kai tetia...

na po pos oli oi an8ropoi exoun dikaioma stin zwi ,stin ergasia k.a alla me tropo oste na min pernoun to dikaioma apo allous..
na 8imiso episis pos otan aniksane ta sinora kai ksexi8ikan oi albani dolofoni kleftes viastes ktl ESI den tha itheles na zouses stin ellada....>
otan mathoun na sevonte TOTE tha stamatisoume na eimaste ratsistes.

BlackAdder
11-05-2005, 05:37 PM
epishs as ginei lock, giati ap'oti fainetai uparxoun polloi 'empeiroi'...mh xesw. nai kai gw eimai ratsistria me kati tupakia san tous tier kai DragonPower...nta3, exete provlhma etsi?

Zildjian
11-05-2005, 05:41 PM
Oi poio poli ellines einai ratsistes ..ade me eksereseis
kai ego ellinas eimai alla den eimai ratsisths..
na sou kano ena paradigma..
Otan epeze ellada albania..
otan akoustike o imnos tis elladas oloi tsimoudia..
otan akoustike o ixos tis albanias oi elines fonazan "OUUUUU"
apo ekei fanero8ike h Asebia ton elinon stin albania..
den diafono me afta pou les pos i eglimatikotita einai ton albanon klp..alla einai mia pamftoxh xora..
kai an deis POli ligoi albani zoune kala..oloi oi alloi einai Mes tin Ftoxia

tier
11-05-2005, 05:49 PM
BlackAdder an irthes gia flame fige soumpiti kanenas den se upoxrewse na milisis se aftin tin sizitisi...akou ekei lock einai spoudew thema gia sizitisi kai prepei na ginei kai sticky.

den diafono to oti i albania einai ftwxi xwra kai ta lipa alla to oti vriskonte se mia xwra pou tous filoksenei afto toulaxiston tha prepei na to sevonte an mitiallo i ellada den ofelite kai se tpt......
afta ta OUUU pou fonaza oi ellines isos na min upirxan an i albanoi eixan mia kali simperifora pros emas.
episis to allo me tin makedonia pou to pas???

Zildjian
11-05-2005, 05:54 PM
ok tier exeis dikio..prepei na einai kali me emas..alla kai emeis me ekinous..gt an ginodousan kaliteroi..emeis akoma kai tote "albanous" tha tous xarakthrizame

BuffDrinker
11-05-2005, 05:56 PM
paidia sorry alla eimai fanatikh ratsistria .... den sumpatho kanenan kseno ektos tous mavrous pou exoun k mia istoria sklabias k
den exoun peiraxei kanenan k den dhmiourgoun problhmata ... tora uparxoun k atoma pou ksexorizoun apo to sunolo !![ratsistria eimai idika me rwsous,alvanous,tourkous,boulgarous kai etsi]

karamonde
11-05-2005, 06:02 PM
BlackAdder an irthes gia flame fige soumpiti kanenas den se upoxrewse na milisis se aftin tin sizitisi...akou ekei lock einai spoudew thema gia sizitisi kai prepei na ginei kai sticky.

den diafono to oti i albania einai ftwxi xwra kai ta lipa alla to oti vriskonte se mia xwra pou tous filoksenei afto toulaxiston tha prepei na to sevonte an mitiallo i ellada den ofelite kai se tpt......
afta ta OUUU pou fonaza oi ellines isos na min upirxan an i albanoi eixan mia kali simperifora pros emas.
episis to allo me tin makedonia pou to pas???

Exeis dikio se osa les gia thn egklhmatikothta alla to 8ema tou ratsismou den einai auto, to 8ema einai oti den ftainei# EPEIDH EINAI ALBANOI, alla apo katastaseis pou tous odhgoun sto na fairontai opws fairontai, kai sxedon ka8e allos laos to idio 8a ekane katw apo autes tis katastaseis. Ti ennow, des tous italous kai irlandous kai ispanous kai rwsous sthn amerikh paliotera. Sthrizan kai prokalousan olh thn egklhmatikothta, otan omws enswmatw8hkan epapse auto se terastio ba8mo. Ki egw tsantizomai apeira otan blepw aragmenous sthn omonoia stis 3 to bradu 20-30 kafrous na se koitane me miso mati (sthn telikh sthn polh mou eimai pou skata kolane) alla den spazomai epeidh einai albanoi.

Auto pou 8elw na pw einai oti kata th gnwmh mou to swsto den einai na ginontai genikeuseis se enan oloklhro lao, auto einai ratsismos kai einai polu polu la8os.

Tier polu kalo sig alla den tairiazei me merikes apopseis pou e8eses :(

BlackAdder
11-05-2005, 06:08 PM
gia flame fige soumpiti kanenas den se upoxrewse na milisis se aftin tin sizitisi
me ton idio tsampouka pou ta les sou apantaw. ws ellhnaras 8ewreis olous tous allous varvarous, den exeis thn paramikrh idea apo istoria -mia kai den sxoliazeis pws htan oi ellhnes metanastes sthn germani, thn amerikh, thn australia, opou htan KARAKLEFTES KAI MAFIA (fusika oxi oloi). den psaxnomai gia flame alla de 8a les oti sou rxetai me to azhmiwto. gi'auto kopse ligo.
anoi3e kai kana vivlio na 3estravo8eis.

MyTHoS_
11-05-2005, 06:10 PM
Mias kai einai endiaferon san 8ema kerdizei sticky..
Apla parakalw oxi flames.Ekfraste thn apopsi sas kosmia.
8a postarw argotera thn apopsi mou :P

N4ZGUL
11-05-2005, 07:04 PM
An k d m'aresei h leksh ratsismos d symfwnw me afthn thn apopsh!
Merikoi ginontai,einai h nomizoun oti einai ratsistes apla epeidh tous agriokoitakse 1 sto treno h epemene to paidi me ta xartomantyla!
Omws se kamia xwra ths ghs k se kanena meros tou kosmou d yparxoun mono kaloi h mono kakoi 8a pw to ekshs!
Tha eknevristw asxhma otan 8a ginei proklhtikos 1 tourkos h alvanos k tha eknevristw me to sygkekrimeno gegonos pou afora ton ekastote lao k thn ekastote xwra!d tha pw "Gamiountai oloi oi tourkoi"!Giati 1,10,100,52455 d antiprwsopevoun pote ma pote 1 olokliro ethnos k xwra!
Mporei oi perissoteroi (kata genikh omologia)alvanoi na klevoun,na viazoun klp klp alla d einai oloi idioi...
k d einai katholou dikaio na tous valoume olous sto idio kazani!

BlackAdder
11-05-2005, 08:01 PM
Mporei oi perissoteroi (kata genikh omologia)alvanoi na klevoun,na viazoun klp klp [...]
Tha eknevristw asxhma otan 8a ginei proklhtikos 1 tourkos h alvanos k tha eknevristw me to sygkekrimeno gegonos pou afora ton ekastote lao k thn ekastote xwra
to katalavainei kaneis oti th dixonoia th dhmiourgoun ta politika sumferonta KAI MONO?!oi laoi, oi polites, OI AN8RWPOI, den exoun na xwrisoun kati meta3u tous.
kai fusika oute logos gia ton ellhna pou klavei, viazei, emporeuetai an8rwpous. kai ti egine pou se koita3e ena tade kapws?! kai mena agglia me eipan gourouni, kai enas kuprios me koita3e perierga, kai enas ellhnas mou zalize ta @@ 2 wres. kai xesthke h fatme sto geni tzami. kritirio misous einai auto?!

karamonde
11-05-2005, 09:13 PM
Oxi, gia tous logikous kai anoixtomualous an8rwpous den einai kritirio misous profanws alla oi ratsistes toulaxiston anoixtomualoi den einai.
Eisai agglia BlackAdder?

Levathian
11-05-2005, 09:23 PM
Egw pali pisteuw pws oloi eimaste ratsistes toulaxston se ena mikro ba8mo..
Eimai kata tou fanatikou ratsismou kai apogoiteuomai otan blepw akrees pra3eis enanta se kapies alles fyletikes omades ktl...alla kai pali pisteuw pws kaneis dn exei oute kan se elaxsto pososto ratsismo mesa tou pros kapoia omada an8rwpwn...estw ki an dn to ekdh;wnei..

Tourgon
11-05-2005, 10:01 PM
Edaxei osoi eisaste "empeiroi" k exete "empeiries" k "exete akousei" k "tous miseite olous" ... ti na pw.
Gamiseta. Exaitias kati typwn san k esas einai etsi i koinwnia. Sto diaolo. eleos

Tlsp dn paizei na to sizitisoume twra einai megalo alla gamiseta pragmatika.auta.
*Edited by MyTHoS_:please mhn xrhsimopoieite prosvlhtikous xarakthrismous mias kai to 8ema einai euais8hto.

dead walker
11-05-2005, 11:24 PM
enas laos pou exei ws arxh to "πας μη ελλην,βαρβαρος" dn nomizw oti dn einai ratsistikos.
twra an 1-2 perifaneyontai oti dn einai tote,apla sygratountai perissotera apo mas na vrisoume kamia
xwra. opws k na to kanoume, dn sou aresei na erxetai enas laos (asxhmos malista) eite einai alvanos, eite pakistanos,
eite tourkos.twra an akous oti klevoun kiolas ,e gami8ike!!

eimaste "programatismenoi" na misoume se kapoio vathmo tous xenous, kai ston ellhna dn
polyaresei h fatsa tou kahmenou.


http://rapidshare.de/files/5142232/CensuradoMTV_1.pps.html
gia na mhn xexniomaste

k an dn exete powerpoint http://rapidshare.de/files/5143395/PPVIEWER.EXE.html

Tourgon
11-05-2005, 11:40 PM
Asximos malista? Dn ktlava. Ti simainei auto? Gia mena asximi einai i mouri tou kathe malaka ellina pou vrizei sto dromo.
Kai gia na xekatharisoume to megalitero pososto eglimatikotitas to exoun oi axiagapitoi ellines!
Alla etsi k alliws giati na miseis ena sinolo anthrwpwn otan kanei kati ena meros tou sinolou? Diladi giati na genikopoiisei kaneis se olous tous alvanous otan enas alvanos klepsei? Mporei na itan k ellinas. Tha eleges tote oti oloi oi ellines einai kaimenoi kleftes? Dn nomizw.

tier
11-06-2005, 01:11 AM
BlackAdder den asxoloume mazi sou gt poli apla den ksereis na milas....
pote den ipa oti eimai ratsistis me OLI tin a8notita ton albanon alla toulaxisto kserw kai exw mathei na sevome ton eafto mou kai meta tous trigiro mou.gt ama sto telos telos den se sevasti o allos pou irthe stin xwra sou metanastis pios tha se sevasti?skeftite einai san na erxete kapios na sou zitisi na minei spiti sou tou les ok mine kai meta ta kanei ola lampogialo.mporei kapies apopsis mou na einai lan8asmenes den leo alla den goustarw kanenan kseno na erthei kai na katsei pano apo to kefali mou na bgei kai apo pano na exei kanei tis malakies tou kai na thelei kai dikaiomata apo pano.sto katw katw exoume kai enan politismo stis plates mas >den tha po parapano skeftite afto pou egine px me ton makedonia skeftite me tin kipro....
BlackAdder esi anikse kana vivlio kai ESI ksekinises to flame kai elpizw esi na to telioseis kiolas...
den nomizw na exw tragika lathei ston silogismo mou pano se afto to thema apla eimai katheto sto oti o allos PREPEI na se sevete eidika ama einai metanastis.episis oi ellines metanastes stin germania isos na min eixan kai tin kaliteri simperifora alla mia fora san tous albanous kai tous tourkous den einai....
AAAA kai ti allo na dite >ti malakies sires einai aftes stin TV me tous ellines kai tous tourkous na einai mazi AGAPIMENOI? me aftes tis sires prospathoun gia xrimatikous kai oxi mono skopous na feroun tis xores pio konta !an einai pote dinaton...

Tourgon
11-06-2005, 01:22 AM
Giati prepei na einai apomakrismenes???!?!?!??!?!?
TI AKOUW SIMERA!?!?!?!?!? k exeis k gia signature tous Deep Purple alla as min anaferthw se auto...

Autos o metanastis o opoios ta kanei ola gmst spiti sou giati na mn krinetai ws o "Giannis/abdul/hdasjidas/askdasdas/giwrgos" tipos pou to ekane? Giati na anafere ston "Alvano" i "xeno" ktl? Giati dn mporeis na pareis tin kathe periptwsi diaforetika.
Episis giati nomizeis oti dn se sevontai autoi? Mipws epeidi oi koinwnikes sinthikes tous exoun anagasei na einai epithetikoi, distaxtikoi, me apotelesma na organwnoun polu kleistes koinwtites k na einai k autoi ratsistes? Diladi mipws olo auto pou dn saresei to prokaleses esi/oi omoioi sou me tin simperifora sas prwtitera? Mipws einai diko sas lathos?
Auta gia tin wra.

tier
11-06-2005, 02:04 AM
parakalo min ksanaanaferthite gia to sig mou eipame stous deep purple oute to mikro tous daxtilo den ftano....
sinexizw na leo to idio kai to idio .....tourgon gt na sevasteis kapion pou irthe stin xora sou pire kiriolektika ton elenxo klevei listevei viazei kanei ranei kai den kserw gw ti?egw tekmiriosa tis apopsis mou se ola mou ta post pisteuw....kante to idio eipa gt eimai ratsistis den exw tpt allo na po...isos na exw la8os den to apoklio isos na exeis kai esi la8os/giafto min blepeis ta pramata mono apo tin mia tous pleura :P

Hyp3rion
11-06-2005, 03:17 AM
Miso ton ratsismo kai tous maurous!

Jarvis
11-06-2005, 04:16 AM
loipon gia ratsismo tha pw ta eksis anaferomenos stous alvanous (exoun ginei to kyrio thema sta posts sas)
otan enas kyrios (onomata de leme oikogeneies de thigoume stin N.D. palios proedros stin trietia sto 90' pou kyvernouse) anoikse ta synora kai perasane oloi oi alvamoi gamithike ena meros tis oikonomias tis xwras kai anevike i anergia. afto poly apla giati vrethikan ergatika xeria ta opoia itan ftina...prin ginei afto kai mexri na vroune tropo na boune stin koinwnia gia na epiviwsoun polloi kanane paranomies....paranomies se mia koinwnia san tin elliniki pseftoanoixti-pseftopouritani-me kai kala arxes kai ta piran ksafnika oloi kai enantiwthikan. opws vevaia enantiwthikan kai sto thema ergasia giati legane oi "ellinares" pws tous trwne tis douleies allakaka ta psemmata den pigainane oi ellines na kanoun ton ergati oloi thelane dimosio kai karekla diefthinit na ksynoun ta @@ tous. skasane miti oi alloi pou eixan pragmatika anagi doulepsane sklira kai gia tpt kai meta ftaine oi alvanoi gia afto kai oxi emeis...kala ta pame

kalytera na sou vgei to mati para to onoma leei i paroimia kai einai apolyta swsti.......meta apo ena simeio logiko kai oi alvanoi na min einai kai toso aneta apenanti stous ellines otan emeis tous koitame me stravo mati klp lkp

to thema einai ena. eimaste oloi isoi metaksy mas kai to an o allos einai apo alli xwra allothriskos i apla diaforetikos apo emas se opoiodipote tomea den pavei na einai anthrwpos me synaisthimata kai myalo. oti dikaiwmata exoume emeis ta idia exoun kai oi ypoloipoi. osa dikawimata dinoume tosa pairnoume pisw........

omologw pws den mou einai kai to kalytero na bainw se ena lewforeio me tiga pakistanous alvanous kourdous fillipinezous klp (logw prokatalipsis pou exei perasei apo genia se genia ) alla afto de simainei pws tha ton stravokoitaksw tha ton kraksw i oti allo.

feromaste opws theloume na mas ferthoun oti kai an exoume apenanti mas




ksenofovia : den tin fovamai egw proswpika arkei na min ginetai se ypervolika simeia

misalodoksia : just don't even like the word......


ty rof reading :D

tier
11-06-2005, 10:45 AM
mou arese to post sou jarvis kai logika exeis dikio gia tin pigi tou ratsisoume :P alla me ton tropo pou to eipes egw as poume katalaba oti eipes pos den ftene oi albanoi afti mono irthan na doulepsoun kai gia to tpt enw emeis oi ellinares eimaste oi "kakoi" pou tous krazoume....
kapies apopsis sou sostes kai tis dexome alla den pantote oi ellines oi kakoi :P
kai oi ellines upirksan metanastes alla den ekanan tetia makelia :P

MyTHoS_
11-06-2005, 12:49 PM
Egw 8a arxisw me to akolou8o:
Opoios perhfanevetai gia thn e8nikothta tou perhfanevetai gia kati pou den tou anhkei

Twra sxetika me olous tous metanastes pou exoun er8ei(den anaferomai apokleistika se alvanous h tourkous klp):
Ka8e an8rwpos exei thn dikia tou proswpikothta kai symperiferetai kai antidra diaforetika.Kapoios pou 8a paei se ksenh xwra mporei na ta grapsei ola sta @@ tou kai na ta spaei kai kapios allos mporei na symperiferetai kanonika..To e8nos den anhkei se kanenan giati to e8nos den einai kati to yliko.Osoi pistevoun oti h ellada einai oi grammes twn synorwn tote pistevw pws kanoun la8os.An er8ei kapoios ksenos kai arxisei kai lhstevei 8a prepei na tou symperifer8eis opws symperiferesai ston ellhna pou 8a lhstepsei.Den einai kati parapanw h kati ligotero apo enas aplos an8rwpos pou tou exoume valei mia tampela e8nikothtas(kakws).O ksenos pou 8a spasei h 8a lhstepsei to idio 8a kanei kai sthn "xwra tou".O ellhnas pou 8a lhstevei kai 8a spaei edw to idio 8a kanei kai eksw.Sthn arxh o metanasths pou klevei erxetai sthn ksenh xwra kai den kanei zhmies klp.Afto to kanei epeidh den exei prosarmostei.Otan arxisei kai pairnei aera 8a kanei afto pou ekane sthn xwra tou.
Exw dei ksenous pou einai pio kshghmenoi kai apo "ellhnares" kai exw dei kai ksenous pou einai gia kremasma.Afto den shmainei pws antistoixos laos einai to idio.Ka8e an8rwpos einai ksexwristos kai antidra diaforetika.H antidrash tou afth eksartatai apo thn paideia tou apo thn noymosynh tou kai apo xilia 2 akomh.Edw den sevotan thn "xwra tou" 8a sevastei thn "xwra sou"?
H ksenofovia kai o ratsismos gia mena einai apla xarakthristika twn stenomyalwn.Fovasai ton kseno pou 8a sou klepsei thn douleia?Giati vlepeis pollous ellhnes pou 8eloun na doulepsoun se oikodomh?Oi perissoteroi 8eloun na araksoun sto grafeiaki tous sto dhmosio kai na koimountai olh mera.O ksenos omws 8a ftysei aima sthn douleia tou giati katanoei oti ekei doulevei kai pairnei lefta kai apo afto eksartatai.Pragmatika anti na tous vrizoume 8a eprepe na koitaksoume na doulevoume toso sklhra opws doulevoun aftoi se opoia douleia kai na eimaste anti na koitame monaxa thn loufa.
8a pei kapoios:Ma aftoi zhtane kai ligotera lefta gia afto tous protimoun.
Aftoi pws katafernoun kai zoun me toso liga lefta?Mhpws aftoi den phgainoun ka8e mera gia pswnia?Mhpws aftoi koitane na magirepsoun na fane anti na trexoun kai na trwne se estiatoria?Mhpws aftoi kanoun oikonomia enw oi perissoteroi apo emas einai aplws spataloi?
Ti 8a skeftotan enas ellhnas pou 8a htan metanastis sto ekswteriko an htan teleios sthn symperifora tou kai parola afta ton koitagan me miso mati?Den 8a skeftotan oti aftoi pou einai ksenofovoi kai ratsistes apenanti tou einai apla hli8ioi giati den exei kanei tpt kako?To na koitas me miso mati kapoion pou ekane kapoia paraspondia nai symfwnw.To na koitas me miso mati kapoion pou den ton ksereis kan epeidh einai ksenos einai teleiws hli8io.Akoma kai 999/1000 ksenous na einai hli8ioi,otan deis kapoion kseno den 8a prepei na ton skeftesai ws kati kako.Mhn krinei kapoion logw ths e8nikothtas tou.Esy ti eisai evloghmenos apo ton 8eo?Mhpws eisai kai esy san tous evraious pou einai "o agaphmenos laos tou 8eou"?Exw filous pou einai alvanoi kai einai filoi mou gia xronia kai einai apsogoi sthn symperifora tous se anti8esh apo arketous ellhnes.
O ratsismos kai h ksenofovia einai apla gia aftous pou exoun genikotera provlhmata fovias kai noymosynhs.Giati osa eglhmata exoun kanei oi ksenoi edw alla tosa exoume kanei kai emeis.Profanws kai o ellhnas den 8a paei sthn alvania.Ekei den exoun tis trapezes pou exoume edw oute ta lefta pou exoume edw.O kleftis menei ekei pou ton symferei kalytera.Yparxoun ksenoi pou hr8an gia na klepsoun epeidh den tous eftanan ta lefta pou eklevan kai yparxoun kai ksenoi pou hr8an gia na zhsoun mia kalyterh zwh.Aftos pou leei oti afth einai h xwra tou kai oi ksenoi prepei na fygoun gia mena einai poly la8os.H xwra afth den anhkei se kanenan.H xwra den einai to edafos.H ellada kai h ka8e patrida vrisketai sthn psyxh tou ka8enos kai an kapoios apla nomizei pws ellada einai to geografiko kommati pou legetai ellada tote thn periodo ths tourkokratias 8a eprepe na 8ewrouse ton eafto tou tourko.Oso gia tous tsakwmous metaksy elladas tourkias afta einai aplws politika 8emata pou merikoi ta ekmetalevontai.Opws edw yparxoun oi organwseis pou 8eloun na pe8anoun oi tourkoi etsi kai sthn tourkia yparxoun organwseis pou 8eloun na pe8anoume.Afto den shmainei pws o ypoloipos laos skeftetai to idio.Se kapoion kseno 8a prepei na symperiferesai me ton idio tropo pou symperiferesai se kapoion ellhna.An einai swstos sthn symperifora tou 8a peis bravo kai an kanei m*lakies 8a ton valeis fylakh.Alliws den mporoume na leme oti zoume se dhmokratia me dikaious nomous(vevaia to ti einai dikaio einai allo 8ema).Oi nomoi prepei na isxyoun gia olous kai to kritirio me to opoio krinoume tous an8rwpous 8a prepei na einai to idio gia olous.

tier
11-06-2005, 01:15 PM
kita na deis min mpleksoume tin ksenofovia me ton ratsismo den exoun kanena ma kanena koino....
se periodo tourkokratias den eixame "kratos" o laos an kai katapiesmenos upirxe....i ELLADA den upirxe.o ellinikos politismos zouse an kai kse8oriaze me ta xronia kai ta "nea"ethima kai paradwseis...
egw to zitima to blepo "pio" patriotika den maresei na blepo ton ka8e eksipno "typako" pou irthe apo alli xwra na zitianeuei..i na poulaei magia se ellines einai adideontologiko kai pisteuw 8rasitato.
opos katalaba mytho esi den tha eixes kanena provlima me tin enopihsi to kraton os "1" diladi o kathenas na pigenoerxete stis xwres ite kleftis ite timios politi ..?>egw omos tha exw me afton ton tropo aparnoumaste ton arxaio elliniko kai TRANO politismo enan apo tous megaliterous pou iparxan pote stin diarkeia tis an8ropotitas...... an skasoun miti stin ellada pakistani kapia e8ima tous anagastika me tin diarkeia tou xronou tha paroume kai emeis i paradwseis tous. {den leo mono gia pakistanous}
fantazome tous ides pou itan den thimame ekso apo tin omonia?pou mastigonontousan.l...e oxi afta egw stin xwra pou zw den ta thelw den thelw na gino ena me ton albano pou irthe me to etsi thelw den thelw na gino ena me ton albano pou viazei tin gineka mou pou klevei to amaksi mou ktl ktl.....
ti na po apla den mou aresei i nootropia aftou tou laou oti opou kai na einai tha kanw oti mou goustarei

karamonde
11-06-2005, 02:36 PM
E3oxh apanthsh Mythos pragmatika! Sumfwnw 100%

Nai pw kati pou me apasxolei epi tou 8ematos:
Tier h 3enofobia kai o ratsismos einai allhlendeta pragmata, o Mythos ta eipe kalutera apo emena pou ekana to topic gia na akoustoun apopseis.
Yparxei megalh diafora sto na agapas th xwra sou (patriwtismos) kai na uperagapas th xwra sou (e8nikismos). Egw katatassw ton eauto mou se autous pou agapoun th xwra tous, eimai patriwths. Par'ol'auta to kako arxizei otan h uperbolikh agaph gia th xwra mas 3efeugei kai blepoume pantou ex8rous klp. Epipleon den mporw na katalabw giati kapoios pou agapaei th xwra tou prepei anagkastika na misei olous osous den einai sumpatriwtes tou... Mporei na agapaw thn ellada alla den pauw na exw ta matia mou anoixta kai na pernw o,ti kalo briskw allou, xwris na niw8w agxomenos h piesmenos oti apalotriwnomai kai oti xanw thn tautothta mou. Auto to lew dioti prin o tier milhse gia tis paradoseis twn allwn klp. Den eisai anaglasmenos na pareis tis paradoseis twn allwn an den sou aresoun, alla o ka8enas exei KAI PREPEI NA EXEI thn eleu8eria na kanei o,ti 8elei sth zwh tou, an loipon kapoioi ellhnes apofasisoun oti protimoun kati apo kapoia allh paradosh den exei to dikaiwma kaneis na tous katakrinei.
Edw sthn agglia pou briskomai uparxei megalh anastatwsh akoma me to 8ema ths liras kai tou enwmenou eurwpaikou diabathriou. Oi perissoteroi ais8anontai oti an "xasoun" to nomisma tous tote automatws 8a xasoun kai tis paradoseis tous klp Egw apla lew oti an kapoios noiazetai pragmatika gia kati den prepei na anhsuxei an 8a to xasei, o fobos autos einai enas akoma paragontas pou prokalei thn 3enofobia kai to ratsimo deutereuontws.
Wraios kai lampros einai o ellhnikos politismos alla anti na ton kratame me sfixta ta xeria mhpws mas ton "klepsoun" as prospa8hsoume na anoixtoume kai na ton dida3oume stous allous.

Epipleo, fobamai oti apo ton ellhniko politismo liga exoun meinei pleon shmera, to mono pou exei meinei einai mia idea gia thn opoia milane arketoi stenomualoi an8rwpoi pou den kanoun tipota ousiastiko gia na kaluteusei h zwh olwn!
Sthn telikh zoume oloi ston idio kosmo, to kleisimo den ofelei kanena, proodos uparxei mono otan uparxei kinhsh kai anami3h, oxi kleisimo.

dead walker
11-06-2005, 04:12 PM
jarvis k mythos +10! paidia.
mpravo an m,poreite na ta threite kiolas.. mporw na exw ena alvano filo(exw malista) alla mono otan ton xerw.
dn ais8anomai aneta otan vlepw ton pakistano na mou zhtaei lefta. eilikrina dn me pianei kapoio filotimo ekei.
anti8eta an dw enan pou paizei mousikh na mou zhtaei lefta 90% 8a tou dwsw giati niw8w, oti o 2os ta exei anagh.
omws 8a mou fanei oti o pakistanos mou ta zhtaei les kai einai ypoxrewsh mou na tou dwsw. dn exw dei pote
kapoia exairesh.

dn mporw na katalavw giati dn feygoun ,afou dn 8a vroun douleia. 1on dn exoume kai polles, 2on dn 8a tous paroun eykola
kai 3on dn tous 8eloume (ws e8nos)

kai pali mpravo ston jarvis kai ton mytho

BlackAdder
11-06-2005, 04:15 PM
tier eisai 14 kai fainetai...elpizw megalonontas na hremiseis ligaki.
paizei kai na mh s'arese to 'peri ellhnwn metanastwn' se germania klp pou egrapsa giati sunexizeis aka8ektos na les gia ton 'alvano pou erxetai sto spiti sou' kai de se sevetai...ELEOS!pragmatika eisai apisteuta sovinisths (thn 3ereis th le3h?) kai ma8e xruso mou oti ratsismos kai 3enofovia einai allhlendeta.
eilikrina den h8ela na anoi3w flame, alla eisai karasovinisths KAI ratsisths kai den to exeis parei xampari. toulaxiston pes to, parade3ou to kai de sou 3analew kouventa.
den uparxei eimai polu 'h ligo ratsisths. 'h eisai 'h den eisai. kai sunh8ws autoi pou fwnazoun oti den einai einai oi xeiroteroi.
mythe oi politikoi (paradeigmatos xarin) metanastes den pane se mia allh xwra gia na ta spasoun. otan den exeis spiti, pe8aineis apo thn peina, se kunigaei o x diktatoras kai oi vdelles tou. na parakalas na mh xreiastei na vre8eis s'auth thn katastash pote sth zwh sou, kai an xreiastei n'agwnisteis gia thn a3ioprepeia sou san an8rwpos na mh se koitane san 3eno, alla san sunan8rwpo. twra kati trixes tupou 'me koita3e me miso kai stravwsa' einai tragikes mikrotites.

karamondeEdw sthn agglia pou briskomai uparxei megalh anastatwsh akoma me to 8ema ths liras kai tou enwmenou eurwpaikou diabathriou. Oi perissoteroi ais8anontai oti an "xasoun" to nomisma tous tote automatws 8a xasoun kai tis paradoseis tous klp
[-asxeto, me eixes rwthsei pou hmoun, se 3exasa! Kingston (notiodutiko londino), ta mazepsa&efuga omws!]
vasika de nomizw oti to sundeoun toso me tis paradwseis oso me to oti h agglikh lira einai pio dunath apo to euro (na dw tous kuprious pws 8a xasoun th luritsa tous!!!) ka8ws epishs den 8ewroun tous eautous tous kai toso eurwpaious!3ereis, einai h eurwph, autoi, kai o kosmos! :P

MyTHoS_
11-06-2005, 06:09 PM
katarxas parakalw na mhn arxisete ta flames(giati vlepw oti pros ta ekei phgainei) alla as milhsoume hrema.Ka8e apopsi einai sevasth oso periergh kai an mas akougetai.
opos katalaba mytho esi den tha eixes kanena provlima me tin enopihsi to kraton os "1"
Den eipa pote afto to pragma.Opws eipes o politismos mas HTAN enas apo tous megalyterous.Twra pleon einai apo tous xeiroterous.Me to na ferei kapoios metanastis thn paradosh tou den shmainei oti 8a xaseis tis dikes sou.Anti na katsoume kai na prospa8hsoume na ma8oume kapoia pragmata apo tous ksenous(opws einai h ergatikothta px) to mono pou kanoume einai na ginomaste ksenofovikoi kai na kleinomaste sto kavouki mas les kai emeis eimaste o teleios laos kai 8a mas molynoun ton politismo.Aftes einai ideologies tou styl ka8aro aima kai anwterothtas.Oi ellhnes EIXAN trano politismo palia opws to idio EIXAN kai alloi.Afto den shmainei tpt afth thn stigmh.Milame gia ton arxaio politismo les kai ton kseroume.To 90% aftwn pou ta lene afta den exei idea apo istoria kai exei diavasei elaxista ews ka8olou arxaia syggramata.Kai mhn ksexnas oti kai o ellhnas viazei thn gynaika sou kai klevei to aftokinthto sou..Alla mhpws einai ligotero pikro epeidh o ellhnas einai idias e8nikothtas?An nai tote ti na pw :?
Oso gia thn periodo ths tourkokratias h Ellada yphrxe mesa stis psyxes twn an8rwpwn giati an den yphrxe den 8a ksesikonontousan me toso 8arros kai dynamh ystera apo tosa xronia.
Kai an mia paradosh apo enan kseno lao mou aresei nai 8a thn parw kai egw.Dhladh ti mono oi dikes mas paradoseis einai wraies kai swstes?Kai ta akraia paradeigmata paradosewn(typou mastigoma) den metrane.An nomizeis oti den exeis thn kritikh ikanothta wste na dialegeis ti einai swsto kai ti oxi tote kala kaneis kai anhsyxeis gia tis paradoseis.
Agapaw ti xwra mou kai 8avmazw ton arxaio politismo mas opws 8avmazw kai ton arxaio politismo allwn lawn(vlepe inkas,faraw,iapwnes).Anti na katsoume na koitaksei kapoios na veltiw8ei analwnei ton eafto tou se ksenofovies les kai aftos einai teleios kai 8a ton xalasoun oi alloi.Opws prepei na akous oles tis apopseis apo opoia plevra kai an proerxontai etsi prepei na vlepeis kai tous an8rwpous.Den pavoun na einai an8rwpoi.An symperiferontai swsta tote 8a tous pw bravo apo opoia xwra kai an einai.Kai mhn ksexnas oti polloi palepsan sklhra gia na zhsoun edw kai exysan poly idrwta gia na mazepsoun lefta se anti8esh me ton meso ellhna pou to mono pou skeftetai pleon einai oi kompines kai pws 8a vgalei efkola lefta xwris na kounhsei ton kwlo tou.

mythe oi politikoi (paradeigmatos xarin) metanastes den pane se mia allh xwra gia na ta spasoun. otan den exeis spiti, pe8aineis apo thn peina, se kunigaei o x diktatoras kai oi vdelles tou. na parakalas na mh xreiastei na vre8eis s'auth thn katastash pote sth zwh sou, kai an xreiastei n'agwnisteis gia thn a3ioprepeia sou san an8rwpos na mh se koitane san 3eno, alla san sunan8rwpo. twra kati trixes tupou 'me koita3e me miso kai stravwsa' einai tragikes mikrotites.
Milhsa genikotera gia ksenous kai den ekana kapoion diaxwrismo se politikous kai mh.Den milaw gia gegonota tou typou me koitakse me miso mati.Entaksy mporei na ton koitas perierga epeidh den sou aresei h mourh tou.Alla to na ton antimetwpizeis me ekseftelistiko tropo kai na ton meiwneis epeidh einai apo allh xwra einai teleiws hli8io.Den koitaei ta moutra tou o ellhnas pou ka8etai olh mera sthn thleorash kai vlepei ta koutsompolia gia to pote katourhse o skylos tou diashmou ton peirazoun oi ksenoi pou 8a tou fane thn douleia.

tier
11-06-2005, 06:36 PM
BlackAdder pote eipa oti DEN eima 14? POTE eipa pos den eimai ratsistis?...exw tin gnomi kai exete tin dikia sas tin opios katanow kai sevomai.>fisika exoun dikaioma stin zwi ergasia kai den kserw kai gw ti allo os an8rwpoi os ISOI an8ropoi den eipa oti ellines einai anwteroi apla eipa pos den pao tous laous pou erxontai stin xwra pou polla xwonia prin exisan aima kapioi gia na einai kai pali diki mas kai prospathoun na paroun ena kommati tis [metaforika panta] na tin katastrepsoun...asxetos pou merikoi douleuoun ergazonta TIMIA aftoi einai mia miopsifia oi oipolipoi den exoun oria kai den nomizw na leo kati lathos edw....

pragmatika den exw ksanakousei tin leksi sovinisths stin zwi mou...
ti na po isos eimai stenomialos kai ilh8ios alla afto eimai kai afta einai ta pisteuo mou

Tourgon
11-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Loipon simfwnw me BlackAdder k Mytho (mytho sorry gia ta ivristika sxolia se ena post ta ekanes k edit :P ) -Jarvis soz dn diavasa ola ta posts sou :( -

Loipon nomizw oti eipane oi alloi auta pou ithela na pw k egw, k gia na mathainoume ligo istoria.
Eidikotera gia tous Alvanous, polloi (arxika) irthan edw ws politikoi metanastes diwgmenoi apo to komounistiko kathestws pou epikratouse stin Alvania, den irthan gia na "spasoun" tpt. Kanenas laos dn paei sti xwra kapiou allou me kakes diatheseis, pada me kales.
I simperifora tous (i kaki opos les) diamorfonete apo tous katoikous tis xwras stin opoia pigainoun. Autoi tous exwthoun se tetoies simperifores, k opos eipa autoi tous anagasoun na diamorfosoun tis koinotites tous me apotelesmata pou xeroume.
Episis (opos eipe k i BlackAdder) polloi ellines metanastes pou pigan sto exwteriko dimiourgisan polu kleistes koinotites me eglimatiko xaraktira (alliws apokaloumenes oikogeneies Mafias), alla oute katigoro tous "kakous" ellines, apla tis sinthikes pou vrikan k ti simperifora twn lawn pou tous "ipodextikan".

Episis gia to olo thema
"Den sou exei kanei pote tpt alvanos giauto les auta pou les."
K to spiti mou exoun klepsei allodapoi, k sto dromo me exoun listepsei.
Stis apopseis autes paramenw omos. Pisteuw oti kaneis anthrwpos pou paei kapou gia na zisei mia kaliteri zwi dn paei me kaki thelisi. Pada me kali. O tropos pou tou ferodai ftaiei. Pada.

N4ZGUL
11-06-2005, 08:42 PM
Mporei oi perissoteroi (kata genikh omologia)alvanoi na klevoun,na viazoun klp klp [...]
Tha eknevristw asxhma otan 8a ginei proklhtikos 1 tourkos h alvanos k tha eknevristw me to sygkekrimeno gegonos pou afora ton ekastote lao k thn ekastote xwra
to katalavainei kaneis oti th dixonoia th dhmiourgoun ta politika sumferonta KAI MONO?!oi laoi, oi polites, OI AN8RWPOI, den exoun na xwrisoun kati meta3u tous.
kai fusika oute logos gia ton ellhna pou klavei, viazei, emporeuetai an8rwpous. kai ti egine pou se koita3e ena tade kapws?! kai mena agglia me eipan gourouni, kai enas kuprios me koita3e perierga, kai enas ellhnas mou zalize ta @@ 2 wres. kai xesthke h fatme sto geni tzami. kritirio misous einai auto?!

milame gia ratsismo nomizw!
opoiosdhpote viazei,klevei klp klp opoiasdhpote ethnikothtas einai katakriteos!!!!
epeidh 8a eknevristw me 1 kseno pou 8a nai proklhtikos to idio 8a eknevristw sto idio gegonos apo ellhna!
k asfalws d eipa pws afto einai kritirio misous!
8a symfwnhsw mazi sou pws ta politika symferonta einai pisw apo dixonoia lawn..

11-06-2005, 10:12 PM
Katarxas thelo na zitiso signomi apo mytho(epeidi to anefere prin) kathos kai apo tous ypolipous gia tixon apaxiotikes ekfraseis pou tha xrisimopoioiso. Alla distixos den mporo na kano allios

Den einai dunaton na pisteeueis oti kapoios einai xeiroteros apo esena epeidi exei diaforetiki ethnotita apo esena i epeidi kapoioi simpatriotes tou eklepsan gia min pethanoun apo peina. Alla vevaia an zeis stin koloxora stin opoia prin 30 xronia to 35% ithele vasilia ti ston poutso na perimeneis? Oi perissoteroi exoun arxisei kai simvivazontai me kati tetoia skatozoa alla den prepei. Tespa opos leei kai o tourgon gamiseta einai i ipothesi kai apo oti fenetai den axizei kan na asxolisai. Pragmatika olous esas tous "patriotes" sas lupame. Krima.
*Edited by MyTHoS_:sorry asbos alla eipame oxi proswpikous xarakthrismous kai eidika vrisies :?
Prospa8eiste na sygrati8eite.

karamonde
11-06-2005, 10:43 PM
Ok, 8a mporousate na to kopsete to flame edw omws parakalw. Egw katalabainw mia xara ton Asbo, ki emena tetoia einai h antidrash mou apla prospa8w na krathsw to epipedo mou panw apo auto twn ratsistwn alla oxi kai na pa8ei kati kapoios, pros 8eou kai den 8a eprepe na milas etsi gia kanenan, panta uparxei xwros gia e3eli3h, as elpizoume pros to kalutero.

Pros |ASBOS|: an eblepes pote to l2 forum 8a eixes fri3ei... Ka8e treis kai ligo dinw maxes enantia sta zwa... Prin 1-2 meres ekane kapoios clan me onoma NAZI kai symbol th sbastigka. Eutuxws meta apo piesh apo polla mellh mallon 8a kanonistei to 8ema...

Pantws xairomai pou oi perissoteroi pou apanthsan anoikoun stous anoixtomualous, isws kai na uparxei elpida, as mhn ta bafoume ola maura, h ellada eutuxws exei proswrhsei polu s auto to 8ema (pali einai eth fwtos pisw apo tis perissoteres xwres tis dutikhs eurwphs) alla to 8ema tou neo sunthritismou kai h anodos ths akrode3ias einai kati pou apasxolei pollous koinwniologous kai ta porismata einai (me polu liga logia) oti: moda einai 8a perasei

tier
11-06-2005, 10:47 PM
siga re min mas kremasete kiolas epidi exoume anti8eti gnomi.....tiste sis re :P
min gamate to thread aksizei na kratithei se normal epipeda.....

MyTHoS_
11-06-2005, 10:52 PM
Akoma kai ratsistis na einai o allos den prepei na tous vrizoume h na leme : kremala stous fasistes.Ka8e apopsi einai sevasti oso periergh kai an einai.Aftos pou den sevetai tis apopseis twn allwn gia mena einai kai aftos fasistas.Den prospa8oume na epivaloume thn gnwmh se kanenan.Kanoume hremh syzhthsh kai opoios peistei peisthke.

Jarvis
11-06-2005, 11:13 PM
Ok, 8a mporousate na to kopsete to flame edw omws parakalw. Egw katalabainw mia xara ton Asbo, ki emena tetoia einai h antidrash mou apla prospa8w na krathsw to epipedo mou panw apo auto twn ratsistwn alla oxi kai na pa8ei kati kapoios, pros 8eou kai den 8a eprepe na milas etsi gia kanenan, panta uparxei xwros gia e3eli3h, as elpizoume pros to kalutero.

Pros |ASBOS|: an eblepes pote to l2 forum 8a eixes fri3ei... Ka8e treis kai ligo dinw maxes enantia sta zwa... Prin 1-2 meres ekane kapoios clan me onoma NAZI kai symbol th sbastigka. Eutuxws meta apo piesh apo polla mellh mallon 8a kanonistei to 8ema...

Pantws xairomai pou oi perissoteroi pou apanthsan anoikoun stous anoixtomualous, isws kai na uparxei elpida, as mhn ta bafoume ola maura, h ellada eutuxws exei proswrhsei polu s auto to 8ema (pali einai eth fwtos pisw apo tis perissoteres xwres tis dutikhs eurwphs) alla to 8ema tou neo sunthritismou kai h anodos ths akrode3ias einai kati pou apasxolei pollous koinwniologous kai ta porismata einai (me polu liga logia) oti: moda einai 8a perasei

poly swsto kai panta tha einai pisw ektos kai an stamatisei na prospathei na tous moiasei....tosa xronia den theloume ksenoferta pragmata kai oso ta arnoumaste toso ta kinigame kai ta kinigame kai se lathos periodous......to thema einai i na antigrapsoume swsta tous allous i na stamatisoume na to kanoume kai na eimaste afto pou einai i ellada (oti kai an einai afto) mono tote tha erthei se pragmatiki isorropia kai antistoixia me tis ksenes xwres kai xwris na einai aparaititi i omoiotita kai o pithikismos.....

ps: ksefyge ligo apo to klima tou upoloipou thread apla to eida kai ithela na to sxoliasw :P

Tourgon
11-06-2005, 11:47 PM
siga re min mas kremasete kiolas epidi exoume anti8eti gnomi.....tiste sis re :P
min gamate to thread aksizei na kratithei se normal epipeda.....

Opos eipe k o mythos dn anagazoume kanenan na allaxei gnwmi :roll: .... auto einai katharos fasismos.

Alla gia na mn ta isopedwnoume ola. I ekfrasi mias ideologias opos o fasismos/nazismos einai katakritea oxi epeidi sas anagazoume na stamatate na pisteuete auto pou pisteuete, alla epeidi mia tetoia ideologia kanei kako stin koinwnia k thigei anthrwpous. Asxeto me to thema alla eipa na to anaferw.... k opios ktlave ktlave.... an thelete dieukriniseis tha epistrepsw :P


BTW: Jarvis tlka ta diavasa to posts sou re k me sena simfwnw ;)

tier
11-06-2005, 11:49 PM
afto me ton "fasista" ASBO to eipa pio prin kai mou to esvise o muthos gt o ASBOS tin "eide" poli egw eimai O kalos kai esis eiste tsourekia....
tespa.,.,.,. tha sinexiso se ligo exw kati doulies :P

MyTHoS_
11-07-2005, 02:47 AM
To esvhsa to post giati ekana edit to post tou asbou kai esvhsa tis vrisies opote kai to diko sou to post pou evrize me aformh tis vrisies tou asbou svhsthke..

MindT
11-07-2005, 03:24 AM
Diavasa to reply tou Mythos_ kai pisteyw pws me kalyptei apolyta.

Na prosthesw ki egw kati:

Epeidh douleya gia 2 xronia se ena mpilliardadiko ki erxomoun polu syxna se epafh me allodapous mporw na sas pw 2-3 pragmatakia apo proswpikh empeiria.

Arxika,panta ANEKSARTHTWS ETHNIKOTHTAS kai Xrwmatos(h otidhpote allo mporoun na vroun kapoioi gia na "ksexwrisoun" tous apenanti tous) yparxoun oi kaloi kai hremoi,kai oi Tsampoukades kai "alhtarades"

Mou exei tyxei skhniko pou eixe erthei ena palikari me thn kopelia tou kai sto dipla trapezi epezan 6 alvanoi kai sxoliazane synexws thn kopela(kwlara klp)
Kapoia stigmh to paidi phge na "zhthsei to logo"kai ksafnika eida stekes kai mpales na petane kai oi 6 na ton exoun arxisei sto ksylo.Gia kalh tou tyxh molis etrekse eksw,pernage ena peripoliko kai tous tsimpise.

Apo thn allh mou exei tyxei na skane parees Alvanwn na pioune to kafedaki tous to prwi,kai na einai EYGENIKOTATOI kai polu hremoi,kai na se antimetwpizoun polu kalytera apo kapoious "Ellhnes"pou nomizoun oti to meros einai diko tous.

H olh stash apenanti stous allodapous,exei dhmiourghsei kai apo thn pleyra tous "klikes".
Proswpika thewrw aparadekto na krineis ton allo kathara kai mono apo thn ethnikothta tou asxeta an "stereotypika" mporeis na pefteis mesa.

Ligo argotera irthan sth douleia dyo paidia apo to Pakistan.Ta paidia einai gennhmena edw,afou oi goneis tous einai 25 xronia sthn Ellada.Sas plhroforw pws mporousa na milisw gia polu perissotera themata mazi tous para me "filous"h' pelates pou to mono mas endiaferon htan na doume an foraei kokkino h mwv string ayth sto trapezi 4.


To thema einai pws yparxei fanatismos kai apo thn allh pleyra.Otan akous ton allo kai leei,irtha sthn kolo Ellada sas pws tha prepei na tou apanthseis?

Egw eimai ths apopshs "Don't judge a book by it's cover" kai pote den vgazw symperasmata gia kapoion an den exw thn eykairia na dw idiois ommasi peri tinos prokeitai.

Den xreiazetai na einai kapoios Alvanos / Rwsos / Mayros / Pakistanos / den kserw kai gw ti gia na einai klefths h' kakopoios h' genika fasarias.
Exoume kai pollous tetoious Ellhnes.

Bal-sagoth
11-07-2005, 09:35 AM
Diavasa to reply tou Mythos_ kai pisteyw pws me kalyptei apolyta.

Na prosthesw ki egw kati:

Epeidh douleya gia 2 xronia se ena mpilliardadiko ki erxomoun polu syxna se epafh me allodapous mporw na sas pw 2-3 pragmatakia apo proswpikh empeiria.

Arxika,panta ANEKSARTHTWS ETHNIKOTHTAS kai Xrwmatos(h otidhpote allo mporoun na vroun kapoioi gia na "ksexwrisoun" tous apenanti tous) yparxoun oi kaloi kai hremoi,kai oi Tsampoukades kai "alhtarades"

Mou exei tyxei skhniko pou eixe erthei ena palikari me thn kopelia tou kai sto dipla trapezi epezan 6 alvanoi kai sxoliazane synexws thn kopela(kwlara klp)
Kapoia stigmh to paidi phge na "zhthsei to logo"kai ksafnika eida stekes kai mpales na petane kai oi 6 na ton exoun arxisei sto ksylo.Gia kalh tou tyxh molis etrekse eksw,pernage ena peripoliko kai tous tsimpise.

Apo thn allh mou exei tyxei na skane parees Alvanwn na pioune to kafedaki tous to prwi,kai na einai EYGENIKOTATOI kai polu hremoi,kai na se antimetwpizoun polu kalytera apo kapoious "Ellhnes"pou nomizoun oti to meros einai diko tous.

H olh stash apenanti stous allodapous,exei dhmiourghsei kai apo thn pleyra tous "klikes".
Proswpika thewrw aparadekto na krineis ton allo kathara kai mono apo thn ethnikothta tou asxeta an "stereotypika" mporeis na pefteis mesa.

Ligo argotera irthan sth douleia dyo paidia apo to Pakistan.Ta paidia einai gennhmena edw,afou oi goneis tous einai 25 xronia sthn Ellada.Sas plhroforw pws mporousa na milisw gia polu perissotera themata mazi tous para me "filous"h' pelates pou to mono mas endiaferon htan na doume an foraei kokkino h mwv string ayth sto trapezi 4.


To thema einai pws yparxei fanatismos kai apo thn allh pleyra.Otan akous ton allo kai leei,irtha sthn kolo Ellada sas pws tha prepei na tou apanthseis?

Egw eimai ths apopshs "Don't judge a book by it's cover" kai pote den vgazw symperasmata gia kapoion an den exw thn eykairia na dw idiois ommasi peri tinos prokeitai.

Den xreiazetai na einai kapoios Alvanos / Rwsos / Mayros / Pakistanos / den kserw kai gw ti gia na einai klefths h' kakopoios h' genika fasarias.
Exoume kai pollous tetoious Ellhnes.

SIMFONO apolita me ton Mind den xriazete na pw gt pisteuw eine autonoito oti den eine oloi kleftes kai ta lipa

Tourgon
11-07-2005, 06:02 PM
Tier allaxes avatar vlepw.....
You are tempting me...alla dn tha sxoliasw.
Krima apla :(

Tyramolas
11-07-2005, 07:22 PM
....
miso tous albanous pos na to kanoume?ama me stravokitaksoun den kserw kai gw ti 8a ginei....>o ratsismos opos lene poli den einai thema paidias alla einai thema empirias..kai pistepste me me tous albanous kai tous tourkous den exw kai tis kaliteres...
antithetos me tous mavrous eimai mia xara.pote den mou exei tixi na akousw kati asximo giaftous Confused mia xara an8ropoi einai...oxi san kati alla miazmata pou aftoapokalounta an8ropoi opos oi albanoi...

esi den ta les sosta..den mporeis na eisai ratsistis me tis katastasis alla me tous laous.....
tora ama tora sxedon oli i egklimatikotita tis polis opou zeis stirizete stous albanous kai se klepsounn meta ella na mou pis perei isotitas kai tetia...

na po pos oli oi an8ropoi exoun dikaioma stin zwi ,stin ergasia k.a alla me tropo oste na min pernoun to dikaioma apo allous..
na 8imiso episis pos otan aniksane ta sinora kai ksexi8ikan oi albani dolofoni kleftes viastes ktl ESI den tha itheles na zouses stin ellada....>
otan mathoun na sevonte TOTE tha stamatisoume na eimaste ratsistes.
BlackAdder an irthes gia flame fige soumpiti kanenas den se upoxrewse na milisis se aftin tin sizitisi...akou ekei lock einai spoudew thema gia sizitisi kai prepei na ginei kai sticky.

den diafono to oti i albania einai ftwxi xwra kai ta lipa alla to oti vriskonte se mia xwra pou tous filoksenei afto toulaxiston tha prepei na to sevonte an mitiallo i ellada den ofelite kai se tpt......
afta ta OUUU pou fonaza oi ellines isos na min upirxan an i albanoi eixan mia kali simperifora pros emas.
episis to allo me tin makedonia pou to pas???

BlackAdder den asxoloume mazi sou gt poli apla den ksereis na milas....
pote den ipa oti eimai ratsistis me OLI tin a8notita ton albanon alla toulaxisto kserw kai exw mathei na sevome ton eafto mou kai meta tous trigiro mou.gt ama sto telos telos den se sevasti o allos pou irthe stin xwra sou metanastis pios tha se sevasti?skeftite einai san na erxete kapios na sou zitisi na minei spiti sou tou les ok mine kai meta ta kanei ola lampogialo.mporei kapies apopsis mou na einai lan8asmenes den leo alla den goustarw kanenan kseno na erthei kai na katsei pano apo to kefali mou na bgei kai apo pano na exei kanei tis malakies tou kai na thelei kai dikaiomata apo pano.sto katw katw exoume kai enan politismo stis plates mas >den tha po parapano skeftite afto pou egine px me ton makedonia skeftite me tin kipro....
BlackAdder esi anikse kana vivlio kai ESI ksekinises to flame kai elpizw esi na to telioseis kiolas...
den nomizw na exw tragika lathei ston silogismo mou pano se afto to thema apla eimai katheto sto oti o allos PREPEI na se sevete eidika ama einai metanastis.episis oi ellines metanastes stin germania isos na min eixan kai tin kaliteri simperifora alla mia fora san tous albanous kai tous tourkous den einai....
AAAA kai ti allo na dite >ti malakies sires einai aftes stin TV me tous ellines kai tous tourkous na einai mazi AGAPIMENOI? me aftes tis sires prospathoun gia xrimatikous kai oxi mono skopous na feroun tis xores pio konta !an einai pote dinaton...

parakalo min ksanaanaferthite gia to sig mou eipame stous deep purple oute to mikro tous daxtilo den ftano....
sinexizw na leo to idio kai to idio .....tourgon gt na sevasteis kapion pou irthe stin xora sou pire kiriolektika ton elenxo klevei listevei viazei kanei ranei kai den kserw gw ti?egw tekmiriosa tis apopsis mou se ola mou ta post pisteuw....kante to idio eipa gt eimai ratsistis den exw tpt allo na po...isos na exw la8os den to apoklio isos na exeis kai esi la8os/giafto min blepeis ta pramata mono apo tin mia tous pleura Razz

mou arese to post sou jarvis kai logika exeis dikio gia tin pigi tou ratsisoume Razz alla me ton tropo pou to eipes egw as poume katalaba oti eipes pos den ftene oi albanoi afti mono irthan na doulepsoun kai gia to tpt enw emeis oi ellinares eimaste oi "kakoi" pou tous krazoume....
kapies apopsis sou sostes kai tis dexome alla den pantote oi ellines oi kakoi Razz
kai oi ellines upirksan metanastes alla den ekanan tetia makelia Razz

kita na deis min mpleksoume tin ksenofovia me ton ratsismo den exoun kanena ma kanena koino....
se periodo tourkokratias den eixame "kratos" o laos an kai katapiesmenos upirxe....i ELLADA den upirxe.o ellinikos politismos zouse an kai kse8oriaze me ta xronia kai ta "nea"ethima kai paradwseis...
egw to zitima to blepo "pio" patriotika den maresei na blepo ton ka8e eksipno "typako" pou irthe apo alli xwra na zitianeuei..i na poulaei magia se ellines einai adideontologiko kai pisteuw 8rasitato.
opos katalaba mytho esi den tha eixes kanena provlima me tin enopihsi to kraton os "1" diladi o kathenas na pigenoerxete stis xwres ite kleftis ite timios politi ..?>egw omos tha exw me afton ton tropo aparnoumaste ton arxaio elliniko kai TRANO politismo enan apo tous megaliterous pou iparxan pote stin diarkeia tis an8ropotitas...... an skasoun miti stin ellada pakistani kapia e8ima tous anagastika me tin diarkeia tou xronou tha paroume kai emeis i paradwseis tous. {den leo mono gia pakistanous}
fantazome tous ides pou itan den thimame ekso apo tin omonia?pou mastigonontousan.l...e oxi afta egw stin xwra pou zw den ta thelw den thelw na gino ena me ton albano pou irthe me to etsi thelw den thelw na gino ena me ton albano pou viazei tin gineka mou pou klevei to amaksi mou ktl ktl.....
ti na po apla den mou aresei i nootropia aftou tou laou oti opou kai na einai tha kanw oti mou goustarei

BlackAdder pote eipa oti DEN eima 14? POTE eipa pos den eimai ratsistis?...exw tin gnomi kai exete tin dikia sas tin opios katanow kai sevomai.>fisika exoun dikaioma stin zwi ergasia kai den kserw kai gw ti allo os an8rwpoi os ISOI an8ropoi den eipa oti ellines einai anwteroi apla eipa pos den pao tous laous pou erxontai stin xwra pou polla xwonia prin exisan aima kapioi gia na einai kai pali diki mas kai prospathoun na paroun ena kommati tis [metaforika panta] na tin katastrepsoun...asxetos pou merikoi douleuoun ergazonta TIMIA aftoi einai mia miopsifia oi oipolipoi den exoun oria kai den nomizw na leo kati lathos edw....

pragmatika den exw ksanakousei tin leksi sovinisths stin zwi mou...
ti na po isos eimai stenomialos kai ilh8ios alla afto eimai kai afta einai ta pisteuo mou


Tier den xerw an eisai ratsistis alla sigoura eisai malakas. TI prosopikes ebeiries re zwo? se viase kanenas alvanos "viastis" ? Distihos i eutihos, oi ellines einai ratsistes, i mallon ehoun mia prokatalipsi pros tous xenous, opos esy apokaleis miasmata kai ipodeesterous. Vevaia omos, otan esy kathese, plirwnei o mpampas kai ta eheis ola dedomena, o allos pou doulevei 18 ores tin imera gia na threpsei oloklirei oikogeneia, einai ipodeesteros kai miasma. AI sto diaolo re zwo. sevasti i apopsi sou alla mehri ekei. Esy i enoia tou malaka tou ellina, tou "aroiou". Kai giautin tin hora pou les pou ehisan aima kapoioi, den to ehisan gia tous ellines, alla gia tin eleutheria kai tin isotita kai diafores axies pou esy katalies me tis malakies pou les. Oi alvanoi einai kati san apodiopobaios tragos, opos itane oi mavroi tin dekaetia tou 50' stin ameriki. Egine mia listeia/dolofonia/binia << O alvanos>> to ekane sigoura. O piros dimas pou apothewnete esy kai genika oloi emeis oi ellines, alvanos einai. An den itane protathlitis tha itane tora <<O alvanos>>. Autes oi malakies gia ton arhaio politismo einai M A L A K I E S. Ti se kanei na pisteveis katarhas oti esy eisai apogonos autwn twn endoxwn arhaiwn ellines. Pou ksereis kan oti den eheis tourkike/alvanikes mixeis. Ehoume i ellada kolisei sto parelthon kai kauhiomaste gia enan politismo 2500 hronia prin. TOus laous den tous pas giati den eheis niwsei etsi. Na ksenitevesai apo tin hora sou , na haneis tous sigeneis sou. TOus theoreis ipodeesterous. Vevaia se dikaiologo afou stin zwi sou ta eihes/eheis ola dedomena(opos kai egw eutihos). Auto pou les gia ton kathe tipako, pou poulaei magia stous Ellinas (El-lines kai o nown noito :wink:) Skepsou ligo pos tou ferontai autoi oi ellines. Ama ton eheis apo mikro paidi os << O
ALvanos>> ton vrizeis, profanws mesa tou geniountai arnitika sinaisthimata pros ton ellina, ta opoia ta vgazei para exo. Pantos to onoma sou , sou teriazei teleia. Tier-> zwo sta germanika. ANte tora pigaine na diavaseis gia to sholeio.

ps: sto dimotiko sou emathan oraies ekfraseis vlepw
ps2: opois kanei edit to post mou tin gamise
ps3: Learn your class noob.

11-07-2005, 07:39 PM
pesta re tyramola pesta. exeis se ola dikaio eutixos pou den yparxoun mono zoa (sta germanika tier). telika esto to kai to 10% skeftetai pali kala. makari na yparxoun kai alloi me tin idia apopsi

ps Tyramola lol gia to el+lines
ps tyramola nice post :!: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Tourgon
11-07-2005, 07:45 PM
Re simfwnw profanws (alliws dn tha isastan filoi mou :P) alla ok mn to vrizete to paidi...
Forum einai mn xalame tis kardies mas..... edaxei telos me ta zwa k vrisidia k tetoia.... forum einai politismeni sizitisi kanonika prepei na kanoume.... irema plz paidia :)

ps : ASBE ela bnb to vradi na paixoume kana mxdaki.

tier
11-07-2005, 07:47 PM
??alli mia adiki epithesi.....
arxika pos ksereis oti den me exei klepsei albanos?pos ksereis oti den exei viasei albanos kapion apo ton kiklo mou???min milas an den ksereis....
eisai arketa agenis kai den tha epektatho panta isoun..
eisai ekseftelistika agenis kai to mono pou kataferes einai na geliopihtheis, :wink:
egw exw dwsei paradigmata gia oles tis apopsis mou allon tous fanikan gelies xazes blakodes eksipnes ktl ktl tora esi ti paristaneis den kserw...
edit kalitera na min ginei to post sou na doune kai oi upolipei ta paidia sou kai tous tropous pou exei apo to spiti sou....
gt den kserete na milate kai na sizitate?diladi esena tyramola otan enas filos sou exei antitheti apopsi tou les SKASE MALAKA PALIO NOOBA?
huhu eisai eleos...
tespa ti allo na po oli vrizete lete tis blakies sas epidi ipostirizw kapia alli apopsi ..HMARTON.

tourgon gia parti sou tha balo to proigoumeno avatar
8)

Tyramolas
11-07-2005, 07:50 PM
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arxika pos ksereis oti den me exei klepsei albanos?pos ksereis oti den exei viasei albanos kapion apo ton kiklo mou???min milas an den ksereis....

8)
den iksera, giauto rotisa.

Tourgon
11-07-2005, 07:52 PM
Thnx :P ....
Padws prospathw na kratisw tin sizitisi se politismena epipeda...
Sorry Tier an dn mporw na sigratisw ton Tyramola... :(
Iremiste leme...

Sizitisi kanoume

Tyramolas
11-07-2005, 07:57 PM
Signomi gia tin epithesi mou ston Tier, alla eknevristika.

11-07-2005, 07:58 PM
tourgon prospatho na sigratitho alla den ginetai pos na to kanoume, an kai sto proigoumeno post mou den parektrapika. tespa apopsi mou einai kai tin leo alla den pisteya oti tha itan anagi na to kano se tetoia themata eleos epitelous!!!!!!!1

Tyramolas
11-07-2005, 08:04 PM
??alli mia adiki epithesi.....
arxika pos ksereis oti den me exei klepsei albanos?pos ksereis oti den exei viasei albanos kapion apo ton kiklo mou???min milas an den ksereis....
eisai arketa agenis kai den tha epektatho panta isoun..
eisai ekseftelistika agenis kai to mono pou kataferes einai na geliopihtheis, :wink:
egw exw dwsei paradigmata gia oles tis apopsis mou allon tous fanikan gelies xazes blakodes eksipnes ktl ktl tora esi ti paristaneis den kserw...
edit kalitera na min ginei to post sou na doune kai oi upolipei ta paidia sou kai tous tropous pou exei apo to spiti sou....
gt den kserete na milate kai na sizitate?diladi esena tyramola otan enas filos sou exei antitheti apopsi tou les SKASE MALAKA PALIO NOOBA?
huhu eisai eleos...
tespa ti allo na po oli vrizete lete tis blakies sas epidi ipostirizw kapia alli apopsi ..HMARTON.

tourgon gia parti sou tha balo to proigoumeno avatar
8)
O tourgon ipotimitika to eipa gia to avatar, giati auto to "simvolo" einai antitheto me auta pou les sta parapanw posts sou. Gia magia mallon to evales. oso gia tous tropous mou, den se rotisa, kane me ban an den goustareis.

tier
11-07-2005, 08:07 PM
antithetw?*confused.
ban tha se kanei o section oxi egw kai afto tha ginei sintoma

Zildjian
11-07-2005, 09:23 PM
Stop Spam, or i will Kill You
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tier
11-08-2005, 12:33 AM
sinexiste tis apopsis sas den ginete se mia toso epikairo thema na milaw egw kai alla 5 atoma tha eksantlisoume ta paradigmata ..

your turn

11-08-2005, 12:58 AM
eleos delete ta spam epitelous kao molis gini ayto kante delete kai to diko mou exoume pou exoume merika dianoitika kathisterimena paidakia sto forum pou prospathoun na katalavoun kati (to elpizo alla...) an erxetai kai o kathe spammer kai grafei tin vlakia eleos to dialisame to thread!!!

parola auta Tyramola lol kai pali an kai efyge to allo to palikari (ban) esy sinexizeis tin kali douleia
KEEP WORKING HARD my friend!!!

Tyramolas
11-08-2005, 01:19 AM
den diafono to oti i albania einai ftwxi xwra kai ta lipa alla to oti vriskonte se mia xwra pou tous filoksenei afto toulaxiston tha prepei na to sevonte an mitiallo i ellada ?

Agori mou den legetai filoxenia, ekmetaleusi legetai.

panos1212
11-08-2005, 01:20 AM
PAIDIA KATALAVETEE TO

DEN EIMASTE EMEIS RATSISTES AUTOI EINAI <<ALVANOIIIII.....>>>>>

tier
11-08-2005, 01:21 AM
mipos eisai kai albanos?siga min tous ekmetaleuomaste kiolas ti einai afta pou les exeis gnosis epi tou thematos i milas kai les logia tou aera?>

karamonde
11-08-2005, 01:36 AM
PAIDIA KATALAVETEE TO

DEN EIMASTE EMEIS RATSISTES AUTOI EINAI <<ALVANOIIIII.....>>>>>KAI DEN EXW KANENA PROVLIMA ME TOUS MAYROUS

Eisai zwon kai anikanos na baleis 3 le3eis sth seira, edw loipon leei o ka8enas tis apopseis tou sobara, me merika paratragouda, epeidh esu omws anoikeis sta paratragouda xwris na exeis prosferei tipota bres allh pista. An exeis problhma me tous albanous se ligo 8a exeis kai me tous maurous kai me opoion allo den sou aresei h omada sthn opoia anoikei, o ratsismos den kanei diakriseis kai epixeirimata tou stul: den exw tipota me tous maurous h tous ebraious alla oi albanoi einai gia skotwma einai fedra kai prospa8oun na ri3oun staxth sta matia adawn.

11-08-2005, 01:36 AM
nai re file ekmetaleusi legetai sygxrono doulemporeio an exeis akousta. etsi onomazetai to fenomaino kata to opoio kapoios douleuei parapano apo kapoion allon me ligotera xrimata kai xeiroteres sunthikes. Kai xanazito signomi apo to forum (pragmatia sorry) alla den mporo na kratitho (ali8ia prospathisa) PANO PSOFAAAAAAAA

Tyramolas
11-08-2005, 01:39 AM
mipos eisai kai albanos?siga min tous ekmetaleuomaste kiolas ti einai afta pou les exeis gnosis epi tou thematos i milas kai les logia tou aera?>

Ohi agori mou den eimai alvanos. Aplos den eimai ratsistis. Otan o allos doulevei 15 ores tin imera se mia oikodomi, gia 15 evro, ekmetaleusi legetai. Otan ton eheis kai doulevei gia sena, kai den tou plironeis to ika giati ton ekbiazeis kai autos dne borei na kanei tipota ekmetaleusi legetai. Kai an eimouna alvanos pou epanalamvano den eimai, esena poio to provlima sou?

Tyramolas
11-08-2005, 01:40 AM
PAIDIA KATALAVETEE TO

DEN EIMASTE EMEIS RATSISTES AUTOI EINAI <<ALVANOIIIII.....>>>>>KAI DEN EXW KANENA PROVLIMA ME TOUS MAYROUS

BTW einai filos tou tier. Deikse mou ton filo sou na sou po poios eisai.

tier
11-08-2005, 01:47 AM
nai bravo kali apantisi .....einai filos mou re nai exeis kapio provlima den to piasa afto pali....esi eisai pio eksipnos apo mas diladi ..?
o kathenas exei to dikaioma tis gnomis KATALABETO DEN EISAI O 8EOS..

11-08-2005, 01:57 AM
diladi to apokleieis na einai pio exipnos apoesena??? vevaia ayto den tha to krineis oute esy oute aytos alla oi ypoloipoi pou diavazoun tis apopseis tou kathenos!!! sto kato kato den eipe kai tipota aplos diapistose ena koino sas simeio toso kako einai dld? kai epitelous delete (an oxi kai ta 2 posts tou panou) esto to 1!!!

MyTHoS_
11-08-2005, 03:17 AM
1)O asbos tekmhriwse swsta thn apopsi gia thn ekmetalefsh twn alvanwn(kai genikotera twn allodapwn)
kai
2)Kalo einai na ana8ewreite tis apopseis sas ka8e mera.Kaneis den eipe oti einai 8eos.Alla kaneis den eipe oti 8elei na meinei se epipedo pou einai.Pistevw pws oloi 8eloume na afkshoume to epipedo mas.Efoson vlepeis oti ta epixeirimata sou den einai arketa gia na antikrouseis thn apopsi mas mhpws prepei na arxiseis na skeftesai oti exeis adiko?Den sou eipa na allakseis opwsdhpote apopsi alla efoson vlepeis oti den mporeis na antikrouseis tin apopsi kapoiou kai den mporeis na sthrikseis me dynata epixeirhmata thn apopsi sou tote mallon exeis la8os apopsi..
Anyway edw apla syzhtame tis apopseis mas.Apopseis san tou Panos1212 den metrane giati afto den einai kan apopsi.Einai apla ena paralirima enos paidiou pou mallon ton edeire kapoios allodapos sto sxoleio(h tou poulaei tsampouka) kai etsi pairnei h mpala olo ton lao tou allodapou.Poly "swsth" kai panw apo ola "tekmhriwmenh" apopsi..

Tyramolas
11-08-2005, 03:35 PM
Distihos mytho, kapoioi alloi meinane aplos ston tropo pou egrapsa auta pou ithela na pw, kai ohi sto minima pou ithela na perasw

tier
11-08-2005, 04:23 PM
nai kapioi opos egw to leo kai tha to ksanapo isos eimai la8os isos na exw adiko ...mytho den leo kati antitheto antithetos pisteuw oti den eimai o alan8astos alla teties ekfrasis opos tou Tyramola einai katakritees

Tourgon
11-08-2005, 06:13 PM
Re dn exei noima ti lete twra eleos pios einai pio exipnos apo ton allon.... eleos

To provlima me to post tou Panou dn einai i apopsi tou, einai o tropos pou tin exefrase. Me ena fasistiko/ratsistiko (k xrisaugitiko btw) sinthima dn ekfrazeis apopsi.... apopsi thelei epixeirimata, paradeigmata, ipostiriksi me idees k.o.k. O Tier enw exei apopsi diaforetiki apo ti diki mou, tin exefrase me epixeirimata, ta opoia prospathw na adikrousw. Etsi ginetai mia sizitisi. APotelesma?
Pano eisai akiros.

Sinexizoume.
Nai einai ekmeutaleusi. Oxi giati douleuoun perissoteres wres, auto to epilegoun k douleuoun me ligotera lefta (opote dn mas pairnoun tis douleies, emeis eimaste tempelides - opos eipe k o Mythos).
Einai ekmeutaleusi epeidi (logo tou ratsismou pou iparxei) tous ferontai xeirotera apoti tha eprepe k apo oti einai nomimo, epeidi tous ekviazoun gia to IKA, epeidi oi sinthikes einai xeiroteres apoti orizei i nomothesia.

EPisis plz delete spam Mythos, einai k sticky.

Tyramola, tier ASBE kopste tous tsakwmous k tis malakies einai SIZITISI edw. Ta posts sas (k twn triwn, anexartita ean oi 2 einai filoi mou) ta thewrw spam k theloun delete.

Auta. Tourgon over and out.

Movsar
11-08-2005, 06:23 PM
ta idia kai ta idia. impress me plz. peite kati entypwsiako. px "oi alvanoi einai galazoprasina karpouzia kai oi pakistanoi gyalina doxeia me meli se potres aytokinitwn"

All in the mediocrity

http://scd.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1089886185.jpg

Tourgon
11-08-2005, 06:26 PM
/agree :D

Tyramolas
11-08-2005, 07:19 PM
nai bravo kali apantisi .....einai filos mou re nai exeis kapio provlima den to piasa afto pali....esi eisai pio eksipnos apo mas diladi ..?
o kathenas exei to dikaioma tis gnomis KATALABETO DEN EISAI O 8EOS..

To an eimai poio exipnos den tha to krineis esy. Me eheis gnorisei mesa apo ena forum. O panos aplos ehei grapsei kati, gia na travixei ta vlemata mallon, i gia na kanei "havale" gia ena sovaro thema pou i noimosini kai i orimotita tou den tou epitrepei na katalavei.
*Edited by MyTHoS_:Mhn vrizete leme :?

Tourgon
11-08-2005, 07:20 PM
Sick to the TOPIC....
Tsakwmous na kanonisete na paixete xilo oxi apo dw k oxi se asxeto topic.
Thnx.

tier
11-08-2005, 07:28 PM
egw den eixa tin diathesi na tsakotho me kanenan apla meriki tsantistika me tin gnomi mou pou omos edwsa kai epixirimata....
tyramola apla opos malaw stous upolipous thelw na mou milane ti eisai o "magas" tou forum?xalarwse ligo koubenta kanoume edw den ginete na erxese na basizese stis apopsis mou pou den sou aresan kai na me vrizis kai apo pano...

MyTHoS_
11-09-2005, 12:08 AM
Edw 8a symfwnhsw me ton tier
Einai forum kai apla kanoume syzhthsh.
An 8elete flames antalaxte msn h mpeite irc na arxisete ta flames..Alliws den vrizoume :?

panos1212
11-09-2005, 01:42 AM
loipon irthe i wra na milisw

auti i exefrasi tis apopsis m itan
i tan apo hymoristiki mexri gelia opws to parei kaneis

den itan mia sovari dilosi alla mesa apo auto i parxoun kapoies alithies oso anafora emena
dld miso tous perisoterous apo tous alvanous idika autous pou xerw ti koumades einai
auto den simainei oti kathe alvano pou vlepo ton xono se ena kado me skoupidia


I PIO SOVAREMENI KAI SOSTI EXOTERIKEUSI TIS APOPSIS M EINAI OTI DEN GOUSTARW TIN PLEONOTITA TON ALVANWN OK?AMA KAPOIOS DEN TO KATALAVAINEI KK TOTE (NA TO PSAXEI)
kai kati allo
otan ekana EGW ekeino to post gt rixthikate ston tier????

KAI TELOS AUTO SIMVAINEI MONO ME ALVANOUS TOURKOUS KAI KATI ALLOUS NOMIZW
KAI AUTO EPEIDI M MERIKES FORES PROKALOUN ~~~~~~~~~TELOS~~~~~~

panos1212
11-09-2005, 01:43 AM
EXALOU AN TO XERETE AUTO EINAI ENA ANEKDOTO OR SOMETHING

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 02:41 AM
Einai fasistiko sinthima... me tin idia "logiki" k to ELLAS-ELLINWN-XRISTIANWN mporei na xrisimopoiithei ws "anekdoto" opos to apokaleis... ti na pw : :/ :roll:

Diavase tis ipoloipes selides, ta aditheta epixeirimata einai ola ekei, variemai na epanalamvanw... apla elpizw otan ta diavaseis na katanoiseis giati "prokaloun" i oti allo nomizeis k na allaxeis gnwmi.

Auta.

panos1212
11-09-2005, 02:48 AM
1EXW DIAVASEI OLA TA PROIGOUMENA POST(kai evgala noima......)
2VGAINEIS SIXNA EXW EXEIS FILOUS?????TI GINETAI(sry den thelo na kanw ton kako){e kai sto kato kato poloi tin xeroun tin frasi...}telos pantwn
otan lew prokaloun enow ....
otan sou tin peftei o tourkos leme ...
kai s grafei xerw gw fuck greece e tote kati paei lathos
(kai kati allo an exete dei diafimiseis gia ton ratsismo kamia den dinei epixeirimata gia to gt kaneis einai ratsistis}

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 02:54 AM
Prwton iparxei k to edit.
Deuteron vgainw k exw filous. K epeidi xerw giauto sto lew. Arxika itan fasistiko sinthima, to xrisimopoiisan k xrisaugites. Twra an to les gia plaka me filous, k gw to lew, apla edw pera prospathoume na kanoume sovari sizitisi. Sou lew to pragmatiko noima tis frasis.

Parameneis sta idia pragmata. Auta pou les sou exoun apadithei. Niwse ligo, diavase pisw, katalave ti sou leme k anoixe ligo ta matia sou. Thnx

MyTHoS_
11-09-2005, 12:31 PM
Oi diafhmhseis ti sxesh exoun?Dhladh perimeneis apo tin thleorash na sou allaksei thn gnwmh kai na sou prosferei ta katallhla epixeirhmata?
Kai epeidh prokalese kapoios tourkos/alvanos/pakistanos k.o.k shmainei pws einai oloi etsi?
Oi xrysavghtes den prokaloun?ti shmainei afto oti oloi misoume tous ksenous klp?
Anyway opws eipe o tourgon exoume hdh pei thn apopsi mas opote twra efoson den exeis kati neo na peis tote apla diavase tis prohgoumenes selides

H3LL80Y
11-09-2005, 03:00 PM
An k d m'aresei h leksh ratsismos d symfwnw me afthn thn apopsh!
Merikoi ginontai,einai h nomizoun oti einai ratsistes apla epeidh tous agriokoitakse 1 sto treno h epemene to paidi me ta xartomantyla!
Omws se kamia xwra ths ghs k se kanena meros tou kosmou d yparxoun mono kaloi h mono kakoi 8a pw to ekshs!
Tha eknevristw asxhma otan 8a ginei proklhtikos 1 tourkos h alvanos k tha eknevristw me to sygkekrimeno gegonos pou afora ton ekastote lao k thn ekastote xwra!d tha pw "Gamiountai oloi oi tourkoi"!Giati 1,10,100,52455 d antiprwsopevoun pote ma pote 1 olokliro ethnos k xwra!
Mporei oi perissoteroi (kata genikh omologia)alvanoi na klevoun,na viazoun klp klp alla d einai oloi idioi...
k d einai katholou dikaio na tous valoume olous sto idio kazani!

pos tha niosis omos ean sinantropos sou eknevristi me enan alodapo h opion dipote alodapo (tou tipou miso tous ksenous giati einai ksenoi) etsi apla xoris logo ?

tier
11-09-2005, 04:20 PM
....
miso tous albanous pos na to kanoume?ama me stravokitaksoun den kserw kai gw ti 8a ginei....>o ratsismos opos lene poli den einai thema paidias alla einai thema empirias..kai pistepste me me tous albanous kai tous tourkous den exw kai tis kaliteres...
antithetos me tous mavrous eimai mia xara.pote den mou exei tixi na akousw kati asximo giaftous :? mia xara an8ropoi einai...oxi san kati alla miazmata pou aftoapokalounta an8ropoi opos oi albanoi...

psofa re psofa o theos sta edose ola ta daxtila tou xeriou sou idia ? pos boris na vazis olous tous antropous idious tote ?

kialos "magas" sto forum ....
svise re mythe ta uvristika posts....
egw se afto to thread den ksanagrafw kai oute ksanaekfrazw tin apopsi mou ama den mathoun meriki na milane politismena

MyTHoS_
11-09-2005, 04:26 PM
Aftos pou den mporei na yposthriksei thn apopsi tou kai apla vrizei ton allon pou exei allh apopsi kalytera na mhn postarei kan.
Eipa oti oles oi apopseis einai sevastes kai posts opou kapoios vrizei ton allon h 8a ginontai edit h 8a ginontai delete.
Aftoi pou vrizoun apla tous fasistes kai lene kremala stous fasistes einai gia mena to idio fasistes me tous allous.
Opote an 8elete na ekfrasete thn anti8esh sas kante to mono me epixeirhmata kai oxi me vrisies.Den 8a to ksanapw.O epomenos pou 8a vrisei 8a ginei delete to post tou akoma kai an parakatw exei ekfrasei ta epixeirhmata tou.

12345678954
11-09-2005, 05:10 PM
opws leei kai o fayol 2 pragmata miso ton ratsismo kai toys arapides...(sovara eimai enantion).

panos1212
11-09-2005, 05:51 PM
den perimenw apo tis dafimiseis na sximatisw tin gnomi m i na tin alksw eleos
apla egw eipa oti KAI tis diafimiseis kaneis den leei gt einai ratsistis apla einai ....
etc kai EGW (an kai den katalavainw pws diafonoume afou o kathenas ekfrazei tin diki t gnomi)

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 09:21 PM
Ti ennoeis? Ekfrazei o kathenas tin apopsi tou k an iparxoun adithetes apopsi tote oi anthrwpoi diafonoun.....
Dn vgazei noima auto pou les...
Episis.
Re noumerooooo ti les? Mipws (lew gw mipws) einai ligo adifatiko auto pou les? :D :P

Anyway opos leei k o mythos politismeni sizitisi plz.

Loipon, epeidi to exadlisame to thema thewritika. As pame se ena praktiko paradeigma.

Gia pigainte ligo voreioditika.... kapou tha vreite tin Gallia
Deite ligo ti ginetai ekei. O ratsismos autos pou epikratouse tosa xronia ekei exei dimiourgisei toso isxira geto, toso isxires simories, pou exei kadadisei tis sinthikes zwis twn metanastwn ATHLIES, k twra pou xespase olo auto, vlepoume apolito zwwdes misos...
Apla niwste otan ta vlepete auta, an sinexisei etsi i katastasi edw ta idia tha ginoun. Prosexte...
S.O.S ratsismos..... etsi gia na diafimizoume k mia wraia organwsi :P

Anonymous
11-09-2005, 09:46 PM
eiste oloi ratsistes

sas misw!

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 09:48 PM
spammer se misw rofl....
:o o.O O.o

Tyramolas
11-09-2005, 09:50 PM
spammer se misw rofl....
:o o.O O.o
Omo Omo Omo

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 09:50 PM
hahahahahaha
-----end of spam--------

panos1212
11-09-2005, 10:28 PM
DEN XERW TI LETE PANTOS ANOIXTE TIN TV NA DITE TI LEEI OTI TA IDIA THA GINOUN KI EDW(OPWS STIN GALIA)
kai apo tin alli na deite ton pao pou oi paixtes tou tin exoun dei kai poli ninja.....
kanoun kati trela

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 10:30 PM
E auto dn eipa ligo pio panw? Oti ta idia tha ginoun k dw...
Gia ton logo pou eipame proigoumenos.... epeidi merikoi einai ratsistes ktl .... giauto .

panos1212
11-09-2005, 10:56 PM
kai THA APANTISW ME TO autoi einai alvanoi oxi emeis ratsistes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
plaka kanw

tier
11-09-2005, 11:07 PM
E auto dn eipa ligo pio panw? Oti ta idia tha ginoun k dw...
Gia ton logo pou eipame proigoumenos.... epeidi merikoi einai ratsistes ktl .... giauto .

PROSOXI...afto den tha ginei gt merikoi einai ratsistes alla epeidi poli einai E8NIKISTES~
megali diafora...oi e8nikistes pisteuw einai tromera la8os.aftoi ta prokaloun afta allo na min thes ksenous sti xwra sou kai allo
na tous miseis toso pou na 8es na tous skotosis...afto einai entelos stin alli akri mporw na po.outos i allos opos oli kseroume oi xrysavgites ta prokaloun afta

~AIMA SKATA XRYSA AYGA~[ps gia ekinous tous mages e8nikistes.]
afto to eklepsa apo ena allo site :P ama den einai prepon apla kanto edit mytho ...

Tourgon
11-09-2005, 11:08 PM
O Ratsismos einai ex orismou misos....

panos1212
11-09-2005, 11:18 PM
oxi aparaitita misos ratsisnmos borei na einai kai na min kathesai sto leoforeio dipla se enan xeno

11-09-2005, 11:58 PM
ok oi ethnikistes einai kakoi kai oi ratsistes kaloi eleos ti allo tha diavasoume edo pera???

kala re tier den eipes pos de tha xanagrapseis ama den simorfothoume???? DEN SIMORFOTHIKAME.

XRYSI AYGI = RATSISTES alla plisiazei i 17 pali tha tis fane kai oi 2!!!!!

tier
11-10-2005, 12:00 AM
oxxxx to mati mou...
PES MOU POU EIPA OTI OI RATSISTES EINAI KALOI KAI OI e8nikistes EINAI KAKOI apla pes mou POU...
mi lete anakrivies eipa pos oi ethnikistes einai pou prokaloun tis simplokes ktl ktl
esi pou kolises tora

karamonde
11-10-2005, 01:11 AM
E auto dn eipa ligo pio panw? Oti ta idia tha ginoun k dw...
Gia ton logo pou eipame proigoumenos.... epeidi merikoi einai ratsistes ktl .... giauto .

PROSOXI...afto den tha ginei gt merikoi einai ratsistes alla epeidi poli einai E8NIKISTES~
megali diafora...oi e8nikistes pisteuw einai tromera la8os.aftoi ta prokaloun afta allo na min thes ksenous sti xwra sou kai allo
na tous miseis toso pou na 8es na tous skotosis...afto einai entelos stin alli akri mporw na po.outos i allos opos oli kseroume oi xrysavgites ta prokaloun afta

~AIMA SKATA XRYSA AYGA~[ps gia ekinous tous mages e8nikistes.]
afto to eklepsa apo ena allo site :P ama den einai prepon apla kanto edit mytho ...

Ok, sumfwnw me ta xilia s auto me th xrush augh alla mou fainetai oti ta exeis mperdepsei. Oi e8nikistes einai 100% ratsistes me olous osous den exoun thn idia e8nikothta kai katagwgh me autous. To na agapas th xwra sou den einai kako, kalo einai, legetai patriwtismos, otan 3efeugei kai ginetai e8nikismos einai pou paei olo polu polu straba.
Sthn galia auto pou ginetai einai polu poluploko kai exei na kanei me thn katapiesh olwn autwn apo ena kratos pou 8elhse na tous katapiei kai na tous siderwsei. Sthn ellada den 8a ginei an papsei o ratsismos.

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 01:20 AM
Panos dn iparxei "misos" ratsismos. Einai lathos sti glwssa. Apo ton orismo tis lexis dn vgazei noima.
Genikotera simfwnw me ton karamonde.

PLASTICMAN
11-10-2005, 04:57 AM
Koimasai patriwths,xypnas e8nikisths...

karamonde
11-10-2005, 11:21 AM
Koimasai patriwths,xypnas e8nikisths...

Kanw quote giati ais8anomai oti milas s emena. Oxi gia kanena logo an kai to forum den einai to meros na sto e3ighsw auto sth dikia mou periptwsh.

MyTHoS_
11-10-2005, 12:22 PM
Koimasai patriwths,xypnas e8nikisths...
Koimasai anarxikos,ksypnas kai ta spas
Den symfwnw me kanena apo ta 2 alla an isxyei to diko sou isxyei kai afto pou egrapsa

BlackAdder
11-10-2005, 03:24 PM
1.anarxia den uparxei pia. mazeuontai, pane tous matades mia volta to tetragwno kai to dialuoun. pera apo auto, to nohma ths anarxias einai polu pio va8u apo to A pou kotsarei ka8e mu3a gia na to pai3ei agrios kai epanastaths kai pera apo to aplws 'shkwnomai kai ta spaw'
2. ENNOIES OPWS 'RATSISMOS-E8NIKISMOS-3ENOFOVIA' EINAI PARA POLU KONTA. anti8eta me ton patriwtismo pou thn xwrizei mia grammh.
3. anoixte kana vivlio kai kofte tis aerologies kai tis ampelofilosofies.
4 afto den tha ginei gt merikoi einai ratsistes alla epeidi poli einai E8NIKISTES~
megali diafora...oi e8nikistes pisteuw einai tromera la8os.aftoi ta prokaloun afta allo na min thes ksenous sti xwra sou kai allo
na tous miseis toso pou na 8es na tous skotosis...
kanena nohma. kai pes oti vgainei nohma, les oti oi e8nikistes misoun arketa gia na skotwsoun se anti8esh me tous ratsistes pou misoun arketa gia na kanoun ti akrivws? exeis kapoia protimhsh stous 3ENOUS pou 8es na einai sth xwra SOU? MHPWS NA FUGOUN KAPOIOI KAI NA MEINOUN KANADOI AS POUME?
kai epanerxomai sto oti den vgainei nohma apo to parapanw quote...oute kan.
5. to eipes re mov, alla poios se akouei...xreishmopoihste kai kamia allh le3oula apo to KAKOS KAI KALOS, exete katanthsei grafikoi, varetoi KAI GRAFETE TA IDIA KAI TA IDIA POSES MERES TWRA. h monh diafora einai oti pros8esate kai th xrhsh augh stis protaseis sas.

otan den 3ereis mia le3h kai mia ennoia aplws mh th xrhshmopoieis, ginesai geloios.

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 03:38 PM
Simfwne me tin BlackAdder.
Episis anarxia = eleipsi arxis k organwsis
anarxismos = politikokoinwniko sistima (ideologia) .
An thelete na deite ti leei i ideologia auti peite mou na anoixw thread, dn exei kamia sxesi me spasimata k tetoia.
to quote tou PLASTICMAN exei kapio noima... ;)

panos1212
11-10-2005, 05:52 PM
touegon gt ta pas ola me ton orismo (den iparxei mosos ratsismos)
otan s lew oti miso tous pia pollous apo alvanous ktl ...
esi gt den to katalavaineis

panos1212
11-10-2005, 05:55 PM
a nai kai den eipa misos dld sti mesi eipa misos dld kakia or something

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 06:02 PM
Re an miseis merikous alvanous tote dn miseis tous alvanous miseis ton x, y, f, z, Mitso metavliti anthrwpo...
I lexi pou xrisimopoieis einai lathos... Ratsistis einai lew (pali) oxi na miseis enan alvano alla na miseis enan alvano EPEIDI einai alvanos (afou exeis miseisei stin arxi enan alvano k genikopoieis)

BTW: Giauto iparxoun oi ennoies mias lexis, gia na ti xrisimopoioun oloi me ton idio tropo k na sinenooumaste.

panos1212
11-10-2005, 06:24 PM
ok tote an to theteis etc eimai ena atomo to opoio den goustarei tous perisoterous alvanous ktl...kai DEN EIMAI RATSISTIS AN TO THETEIS ETc
liugo paraxeno den akougetai???

tier
11-10-2005, 06:32 PM
gt exete ena kolima anoterotitas?oi perrisoteroi apo dw? *confused.
egw den allazw gnomi pano sto thema meno opos eimai.ratsistis.

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 06:51 PM
Oxi panos apla i skepsi sou einai lathos. Dn vgazei noima. I pairneis tin kathe periptwsi diaforetika k apodexesai oti o kathenas einai diaforetikos i miseis tin omada ws sinolo.
Pio kolima anwterotitas
akoma pio *confused*

tier
11-10-2005, 06:58 PM
ma den leo gia sena :P

Tyramolas
11-10-2005, 07:17 PM
ma den leo gia sena :P
gia mena les.

PG
11-10-2005, 07:22 PM
stin ellada den iparxi ratsismos genika alla albanoratsismos , diladi i alvani den ine anthripi san ka imas ????

karamonde
11-10-2005, 07:29 PM
Basika an to psa3eis ligo uparxei dustuxws ratsismos ba8eia rizwmenos sthn ellada kai o logos gi auto einai oti mexri prosfata htan mia xwra 99% X.O.
Gia tous ebraious px uparxei polus ratsismos xwris kanenas apo osous to lene ne exoun dei pote ebraio zwgrafisto sth zwh tous (h na exoun dei kai na mhn to katalaban). Epipleon sto 8ema twn ebraiwn einai tragiko oti aristera kai de3ia sumfwnoun giati blepoun to 8ema h ka8emia apo th dikia tous politikh pleura (mhn akouw gia an8rwpismous kai mlkies h istoria dustuxws exei di3ei oti auto exei eklipsei edw kai xronia).
Anyway den 8a to anoi3w omws giati me tarazei ligaki.

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 07:42 PM
Simfwnw apolita me ton apopanw post.... 100% omos :)
N1 re :D :D :D
Se sibathisa ;) :D :P

tier
11-10-2005, 07:47 PM
ma den leo gia sena :P
gia mena les.

oute gia sena leo....

karamonde
11-10-2005, 07:49 PM
Simfwnw apolita me ton apopanw post.... 100% omos :)
N1 re :D :D :D
Se sibathisa ;) :D :P

Ty an les gia mena!

panos1212
11-10-2005, 07:52 PM
gia mena leei alla den katalave to post

tier
11-10-2005, 07:53 PM
GAMO TO STAMATISTE MILAW GENIKA ...>gia merikous alla oxi olous .HAMRTON.

MyTHoS_
11-10-2005, 07:55 PM
1.anarxia den uparxei pia. mazeuontai, pane tous matades mia volta to tetragwno kai to dialuoun. pera apo auto, to nohma ths anarxias einai polu pio va8u apo to A pou kotsarei ka8e mu3a gia na to pai3ei agrios kai epanastaths kai pera apo to aplws 'shkwnomai kai ta spaw'
Oi perissoteroi apo aftous pou apokaloun tous eaftous tous anarxikous shmera den einai tpt allo apo merika paidakia pou ksypnhsan me nevra kai eipan na ta spasoun gia na deiksoun thn "epanastash" tous.
Episis anarxia = eleipsi arxis k organwsis
anarxismos = politikokoinwniko sistima (ideologia) .
Anarxia=a(steritiko)+arxh=xwris arxh
H anarxia einai ideologia h opoia exei para polous diaforetikous tomeis ka8ws kai yparxoun eidh anarxias pou diaferoun kata poly.Allo h anarxia tou bakounin allo h anarxia tou kropotkin k.o.k
Ontws einai allo 8ema kai poly megalo alla as mhn to anaptyksoume edw

Tourgon
11-10-2005, 08:03 PM
Oxi ... anapoda to les... anarxismos ennoeis :/
Einai megalo thema alla thelw na to anoixoume :) :P

MyTHoS_
11-10-2005, 08:05 PM
Nai vasika panw sthn viasynh :P
Symfwnw alla edw einai allo to 8ema tou thread opote as mhn ksefygoume

Lucius
11-10-2005, 08:45 PM
Eimai ratsistis ekei pou prepei na eimai.

Me autous pou tous taizoume, tous plironoume kai autoi ti kanoun? Vrizoun ta theia mas, peirazoun tis ginaikes mas, klevoun ta spitia mas kai exoun kanei katalipsi stin Ellada.

O allodipos pou exei aksioprepeia,(opos oi mavroi kai oi kinezoi) einai aksioi na menoun stin xora pou legetai Ellada. Oloi ipoloipoi to pio sosto pragma pou exoun na kanoun einai na girisoun stin patrida tous, konta einai.

panos1212
11-10-2005, 09:11 PM
simfono!!!!!! :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger: :thefinger:

karamonde
11-10-2005, 11:28 PM
Eimai ratsistis ekei pou prepei na eimai.

Me autous pou tous taizoume, tous plironoume kai autoi ti kanoun? Vrizoun ta theia mas, peirazoun tis ginaikes mas, klevoun ta spitia mas kai exoun kanei katalipsi stin Ellada.

O allodipos pou exei aksioprepeia,(opos oi mavroi kai oi kinezoi) einai aksioi na menoun stin xora pou legetai Ellada. Oloi ipoloipoi to pio sosto pragma pou exoun na kanoun einai na girisoun stin patrida tous, konta einai.

Dustuxws Lucius enw genika ta les sobara sto kwloxaneio pou legetai L2 forum edw IMO exeis la8os. O ratsismos den kanei diakriseis, einai 8ema genikhs stashs kai nootropias, an eisai me mia omada ratsisths suntoma 8a gineis kai me tis alles otan anakalupseis kati pou se enoxlei kai se autes. O ratsismos einai na bazeis sto idio kazani to 100% enos sunolou epeidh kati sou ftaiei (dikaiws h oxi einai allo 8ema opote de sxoliazw peretairw) sto xx%.
Oi kinezoi de sou ftaine epeidh ontws de se kleboun, peirazoun th gunaika klp Omws se liga xronia oi kinezoi 8a exoun kataklhsei thn agora me ta fthna proionta, pragma pou hdh kanoun kai hdh fwnazoun oi ellhnes (alla tautoxronws agorazoun ta fthna proionta giati einai "e3upnoi") tote 8a se peirazoun kai oi kinezoi alla gia allous logous, oikonomikous. Auto 8umizei pagera th Germania tou '30-'40, skepsou to!

Pane kane mas th xarh kai pane s allo thread...

11-11-2005, 12:10 AM
ti les re man sovara??? dld rosoi kai kinezoi pou exoun klepsei den iparxoun ??? i kai to anapodo den iparxoun anthropoi apo alles ethnikotites pou zoun sti xora mas kai exoun ergastei sklira?? to thema einai na antipatheis olous osous diaprattoun eglimata anexartita apo to an einai ellines tourkoi rosoi finlandoi k.o.k. ratsistis i eisai i oxi den ginetai na eisai 1/3 ratsisti kai tetoies mlks.

episis thelo na po pos ontos i anarxia me tin pragmatiki tis simasia exei ekleipsi alla den exei exafanisthei. eytuxos panta tha iparxoun kai tha prospathoun gia tis idees tous anexartita apo to an emeis oi upoloipoi tha euesthitopoiithoume kapote.

Tourgon
11-11-2005, 01:08 AM
To xoume psilo exadlisei...
Na kanw topic gia ton anarxismo? plz plz plz :D ...

Necromayhem
11-11-2005, 02:28 AM
ti les re man sovara??? dld rosoi kai kinezoi pou exoun klepsei den iparxoun ??? i kai to anapodo den iparxoun anthropoi apo alles ethnikotites pou zoun sti xora mas kai exoun ergastei sklira?? to thema einai na antipatheis olous osous diaprattoun eglimata anexartita apo to an einai ellines tourkoi rosoi finlandoi k.o.k. ratsistis i eisai i oxi den ginetai na eisai 1/3 ratsisti kai tetoies mlks.

episis thelo na po pos ontos i anarxia me tin pragmatiki tis simasia exei ekleipsi alla den exei exafanisthei. eytuxos panta tha iparxoun kai tha prospathoun gia tis idees tous anexartita apo to an emeis oi upoloipoi tha euesthitopoiithoume kapote.
Emena de me noiazei an o allos einai ksenos h oxi, den exw provlhma me alles xwres, ALLA de simfono me tin ideologia
tis Tourkias kai tin politiki tis. De to rixno omws stous politikous, kserw pos apla einai ilithioi tipoi autoi pou kivernoun...
Opoios exei apories as koitaksei ti ginetai me tis sizitiseis gia na mpei stin europaiki enosi.
Epishs den paw arketous alvanous, alla oxi me to pou tous dw, para mono otan tous gnorisw i exo mathei ti exoun kanei...
Otan kapoios erxetai sti xora sou, ton taizeis kai tou dineis mia douleia, o allos den prepei na se kavalisei, na skotonei,
na klevei ktl ktl (ta ipoloipa de ta lew giati einai leptomereies...apla thimitheite thrassos pou eixan otan nikisan sto podosfairo,
na vrizoun emas sta ellinika kiolas..!!). Iparxoun fisika eksereseis, alla oso kai na sixainomai to ratsismo kapoioi se prokaloun!
Gia kathe xwra iparxei mia pliopsifia tou laou tis gia na deis ti nootropia tous... Oi mauroi eidika sti xwra mas den exoun
dimiourgisei pote provlima, opos episis kinezoi,pakistanoi k alloi... Alvanoi omws? Mono tou paei to pragma guys kai oso
kai na misei kapoios ton ratsismo, otan akouei kai vlepei pragmata gia kapoious laous de mporei na tous agapaei kiolas..
Epishs na pw pws kai emas se kapoies xwres mas misoun, logw simperiforas kapoios anoitwn, alla auto de to rixnw ston
ratsismo tis tade xwras alla sto ilithio paradeigma pou kapoioi deixnoun pros ta eksw.

darkdagger
11-11-2005, 11:50 AM
dieri kai vasileve, kserete pios to ipe?
sas thimizi tipota?, afti ine i politiki ton kivernodon
kai de milao mono gia tin ellada alla diethnos afti kala
ta organonoun metaxi tous kai i ratsistes ine ta provata tous.

an sas enoxloun i alvani i opiosdipote alos valte ta me aftous pou pragmatika
sas ftene, aftous pou dimiourgoun polemous, ftoxia kai eksathliosi oste na dimiourgisoun
metanastes kai na anigoun kai na klinoun ta sinora opos tous volevi giana mas klevoun olous
kai na mas kratane eki pou mas theloun, wake up sto 2005 zoume.

MyTHoS_
11-11-2005, 12:31 PM
dieri kai vasileve, kserete pios to ipe?
sas thimizi tipota?, afti ine i politiki ton kivernodon
kai de milao mono gia tin ellada alla diethnos afti kala
ta organonoun metaxi tous kai i ratsistes ine ta provata tous.

an sas enoxloun i alvanoi i opiosdipote alos valte ta me aftous pou pragmatika
sas ftene, aftous pou dimiourgoun polemous, ftoxia kai eksathliosi oste na dimiourgisoun
metanastes kai na anigoun kai na klinoun ta sinora opos tous volevi giana mas klevoun olous
kai na mas kratane eki pou mas theloun, wake up sto 2005 zoume.
+1
Ksypnhste ligo kai katalavete oti den ftaei o laos alla to kratos mias xwras.Den ftaine oi tourkoi gia thn politikh ths tourkias.Oute oi alvanoi ftaine pou egine ths p**tanas me thn kyvernhsh.Kai thn douleia den thn dineis esy o ellhnas ston alvano.Allwste an thn exeis esy anagkh giati tou tin dineis kai parapwniesai gia thn anergia?O ksenos den hr8e pote sthn xwra me thn prosdokia na doulepsei se ena prwtoklassato grafeio kai na ka8etai na ta ksynei kai ta lefta na erxontai.O ellhnas omws etsi exei katanthsei..H poly thleorash sas ephreazei.Kleiste thn kai phgainete kamia volta eksw na "kseskasete" anti na vlepete thn ka8e vlakia ths thleorashs pou kanei to myalo sas poure. :?

http://www.tristero.gr/ktml2/images/uploads/OSTOXOS.jpg

Magister
11-11-2005, 12:35 PM
mpa de prokeite agapith darkdagger dioti ta paidia edw epi to pliston anisixoun mono gia to an tha kanoun kana drop tha paroun pk kai pvp kai an tha mporoun na mpainoun meta sto forum na lene QQ (epitelous meta apo 2 xronia ematha ti simainei :P)

edw les gia tous ksenous edw tous ftaiei o sinomilhkos ellhnas pou exei koina endiaferoda mazi tous (to l2) kai koitan pws tha to kavalisoun kai tha tou spasoun ta nevra.

o ratsismos einai mono h korifh tou pagovounou oi exontes ta mesa exoun odighsei th koinwnia se mia pagwmenh adagonistikh katastash h opoia exei dialisei edelws tis vaseis tou anthropismou (me thn ousiastikh enoia, oxi th fileleftherh) kai pleon exoun metatrepsei tous anthropous se anohta atoma pou arnoude na mpoun sth diergasia na entaxtoun se ena koinoniko sinolo me vasi ton eafto tous kai th proswpikothta tous alla me vasi ti tous plasarei to sistima...

etsi exoume gemisei me trendides, skeitades, olimpiakous, ratsistes, koumounistes ktl.....

darkdagger
11-11-2005, 01:37 PM
dieri kai vasileve, artos kai theamata tin idia riza exoun
de milao mono gia ti diki mas xora, i politiki i diki mas ine apla tsiri
kai trexoun ta zwa me ta simeakia se kathe ekloges kai plakonode metaksi tous
alo ena xorismeno group, olibiaki panathinaiki, tv, pistotikes kai dania i nea moda giana mas
desi xiropodara, palia itan ta narkotika etsi evgalan tous hippy :hippy: apo ti mesi kai pali kapos
kratame emis i elines ali laoi kimoude pio vathia alla de mas ftene se tipota i metanastes, ti dinami tou oxlou
den tin stamataei tipota kai to mathima tous meta tin galiki epanastasi to emathan kala, emis fteme gia ola, ta vriskoun
kai ta kanoun kai mis masame koutoxorto plakonomaste kai xorevoume sto rithmo tous........

Roar
11-11-2005, 02:18 PM
racism kicks ass ^^

tier
11-11-2005, 03:01 PM
etsi exoume gemisei me trendides, skeitades, olimpiakous, ratsistes, koumounistes ktl.....

signomi afto tora pou kolaei?den to katalaba gia diefkoline mas kai eksigiseto mas plz :?

darkdagger
11-11-2005, 04:22 PM
racism kicks ass ^^

an krino apo ta koritsakia pou exis sto sign sou de mou fenese kai toso ratsistis :lol:

Tourgon
11-11-2005, 05:52 PM
Darkdagger k mythos +1

11-11-2005, 06:56 PM
+2 nice pic myhos!!! re parte to xampari den ftaine aytoi pou einai ratsistes etsi tous kanei i koinonia olokliri!!!
an eisai kai ligo bozaki teliose i plisi einai stadar

epameinontas
11-11-2005, 07:09 PM
eimai ellinas (patriwtis) kai den mporw na pw oti eimai ratsistis alla oxi kai na to arnitho...

opws yparxoun kaloi, yparxoun kai kakoi...

pigaina stin gkraba sto galatsi sxolio kai kserw pola gegonota.(alli fora tha anafertho)

Prin 3 bdomades enw gyrnousa apo tin douleia(ampelokipoi) sto spiti mou (kypseli) ekana to lathos na perasw apo tin
drosopoulou kai lelas karagianni(kypseli) opou edw kai xronia stegazontai atoma tou anarxikou xwrou..(kikloforw me papi
kai foraw dermatino san tis omada zita me tin ellinikh simaia sto aristero mpratso).(to tmima eimai 4 stena prin) pigaina simioton logo kinisis kai se kapia fasi katalabenw oti eimai perikiklomenos apo 15 atoma pou erxontai kata panw mou. xoris na tous piraksw. pianoun to papi oli mazi kai mou esvise(fx me symplekti) kai alloi varane mounies opou vroun kai alloi mou kava tzonoun ta pragmata. kanenas den me boithise kai to mono pou mporousa na kanw itan na kalypso toulaxiston to prosopo mou. me vrizane, me legan palioellinara bromoratsista xwris na me kseroun kai to kalytero itan oti ypirxan kai ellines
anamesa tous.. se kapia fasi mou ksilosane tin simaia(itan rameni) ekei ta pira kai arxisa na fonazw kai as fovomoun nin me maxairvsoun. tous eipa pos den me niazei an o allos einai ksenos alla an einai kalos anthropos, kai oti pote den exw piraksei kanenan gia tetion athlio logo. kapioi me pistepsan alloi oxi logo tis simaias sto mpratso(mallon eftaige kai oti eixa moikana)
kai me rotousan giati exw tin simaia. egw tous eipa ta pisteuw mou (eimai perifanos pou eimai ellinas kai i simaia dilwnei ethnikotita kai oxi sas gam* olous). skasan miti oi megaloi kai ta tsirakia spasan aristera deksia. tous eipan na mou dwsoun ta pragmata mou pisw(den ta pira ola pisw, mou eleipan kati lefta35euro mia lira gia gouri pou eixa kai mia karta trapezis pistotiki.

olo to skiniko kratise kana 4lepto stin mesi tou dromou kai kanenas den anakateutike.(oute kan kornarane ta autokinita)
afou mazepsa ta pragmata mou tin ekana gia to tmima opou i mpatsoi ekanan kai pneuma otan afisa to mixanaki mprosta to tmima kai mpika fouriozos mesa.. o aksiomatikos ypiresias mou eipe oti tha itan sfagi na stilei peripolika na tous mazepsoun
afou mesa sto palio ktirio itan alla 150 atoma.. mou ipan na kanw mia minisi kata agnwstou kai ayto itan. arxisa na rixnw poustrilikia ospou katevike o dihkitis kai mou zitise na anebw sto grafeio tou na doume ti tha kanoume..

ontos an to skeftite ta kanalia tha elegan oti oi astinomikoi xwris logo epitethikan stous anarxikous kai den tha aneferan kan
tin pragmatikotita opws kai ginetai panta.


bgalte symperasmatA!!!!!!!!

OLA EINAI SIMFERONTA KAI O KATHENAS KANEI OTI TOU KAYLWSEI!!!

Den pezei rolo i ethnikotita oute to xroma.

to atomo pezei rolo kai to an sebetai tous girw tou.

exo kai egw polous filous ksenis ethinikotitas alla kai ellines.

kai oso gia alvanous pou leme oloi den ennoume olous alla ena megalo pososto pou den sevetai tipota(to idio kai gia tis alles ethikotites)

me eksorgizei omos i stasi tis elladas apenanti stin tourkia pou olo prokalei kai i ellada olo ypoxorei.

alla logiko einai afou to 97% ton politikon einai poulimenoi. kai exomaste ksana stin logiki mou.
OLA EINAI SIMFERONTA KAI O KATHENAS KANEI OTI TOU KAYLWSEI!!!


sas kourasa alla auto pou mou etixe tha balei se skepseis olous esas..

MyTHoS_
11-12-2005, 02:40 AM
Den mas kourases.Anti8etws exw ginei martyras se paromoio peristatiko sta eksarxeia opou 10 atoma kynhgagan enan karaflo(den kserw an epeidh htan karaflos ton khnugagan) kai ton espasan sto ksylo..Mazepsan 2 karekles apo tis kafeteries,tou tis espasan sto kefali kai mazi me aftes espasan kai ena kranos sto kefali tou..Pragmatika den mporw na katalavw pws antekse kai shkw8hke.Aftoi fwnazan piaste ton fasistas einai kai aftos fwnaze oxi re paidia den eimai fasistas.Opote petagetai enas "anwteros" kai leei:Piaste ton h fasistas einai h mpatsos..
Apo ekei fainetai oti den ton hkseran kan..Twra to poios htan o fasistas se afth thn periptwsh kai se afthn pou anafereis pistevw pws einai profanes..Exoume arxisei kai mplekoume fasismo me ratsismo pou exoun mikrh sxesh(an kai arketes fores syndeontai)..
8a to ksanapw gia allh mia fora..Oi aftoapokaloumenoi anarxikoi pou den kseroun kamia ma kamia ideologia..Einai to idio me tous fasistes..H eisai mazi tous h eisai enantion tous..Poly eksypno mono afto lew..Oute fasistas oute anti-fasistas.Giati me to anti dhlwneis ex8ra enantion kapoiou(kai oxi oti eisai anti8etos).Oloi aftoi oi legomenoi (anti)-fasistes(to anti se paren8esh giati kai oi 2 einai fasistes sthn telikh) to mono pou kanoun einai na eksyphretoun symferonta..Apla den to exoun parei prefa akoma kai mallon to myalo tous exei poltopoih8ei toso poly pou ligo dyskolo na to katalavoun pleon oi perissoteroi apo aftous :?

karamonde
11-12-2005, 02:49 AM
Mythos polu kalo to pic pou ebales, sto mono pou 8a diafwnhsw ligo einai stous diannooumenous, epeidh apo katw blepw ekpaideush, pisteueis oti osoi kinoun thn ekpaideush? Sthn telikh kai oi diannooumenoi to mualo stoxeuoun alla o ka8enas mporei na exei diaforetriko skopo. Apo thn allh oi bad religion eipa "I m going for a walk, not the after dinner kind, and I m gonna use my hands and I m gonna use my mind". O nown nohto ^_^

_Packager_
11-12-2005, 02:57 AM
ratsismos 4tw :clap:

MyTHoS_
11-12-2005, 02:59 AM
Koita thn pic vasika thn vrika kai thn eixa dei se ena fyladio sxetiko.
Gia mena pou postara thn pic otan lew dianooumenous ennow olous aftous pou mono stis idees menoun kai den efarmozoun tpt.Kai vasika me eknevrizoun oi psefto dianooumenoi kai o ka8e maintanos pou vgainei sthn tv me ena ptyxio kai nomizei pws exei gnwseis kai mporei na milaei kai na to paizei dianooumenos.Dianooumenos epeidh diavase 2 vivlia?Kai h ekpaidefsh ontws pistevw pws skopo den exei na dwsei mia paideia ston ma8hth alla na ton apoxavnwsei ma8ainontas tou pragmata axrhsta se mia genikoterh prospa8eia eksidikefshs wste na mporei na entax8ei sthn olh maza ths ergasias.To 8ema den einai na ma8aineis pragmata pou 8a sou xreiastoun an 8a doulepseis se sugkerkimeno tomea.To 8ema einai na sou prosferoun mia genikoterh morfwsh..

Necromayhem
11-12-2005, 03:09 AM
Egw den eimai me kanenos tin meria oson afora fasistes-axarxikous, giati prwton de thelw na asxoloumai me auta kai na
malwnw, deuteron einai kai ta dio akraia kai triton de goustaro na anoiko se "kommata" !! Me tous anarxikous omws
simfwnw se poli perissotera pragmata alla oxi se ola. Afto pou exw na pw einai pws an oi simerinoi anarxikoi ikseran ti simainei
anarxia, poia einai ta pragmatika pisteuw tous kai poios o rolos tous, ta pragmata tha itan teleiws diaforetika!! Apla twra
thn exoun dei oloi epanastates gia na rixnoun ksilo, mono auto tous endiaferei! Vlepw kati florous me mplouzes i afises
tou Che Guevara katw twn 18 etwn pou den exoun idea apo istoria kai poios itan autos o anthwpos... Apla shmera
se olous tou ideologikous tomeis opws kommata, mousikh, apopseis, ratsismos ktl iparxei poli megalo pososto plisis
ekgefalou i "mostras" (ennoontas oti to paizw anarxikos gia na eimai magkas...to paizo metallas i rapper epeidi maresei
to ntisimo auto kai paei legontas...)

BANNED xaxa
11-12-2005, 02:09 PM
mia aplh aporia:
se exoun spasei sto ksilo alvanoi epeidh gamises sto ksilo ena mpastardaki pou poulose magies?
STO EXOUN KANEI POTE?
KAI META LENE MIN EISTE RATSISTES....
elate thessaloniki kai ta leme......

karamonde
11-12-2005, 02:29 PM
mia aplh aporia:
se exoun spasei sto ksilo alvanoi epeidh gamises sto ksilo ena mpastardaki pou poulose magies?
STO EXOUN KANEI POTE?
KAI META LENE MIN EISTE RATSISTES....
elate thessaloniki kai ta leme......

Oxi de mou exei sumbei, exei ginei omws to idio se pollous ellhnes pou edeiran ellhnes kai h parea tous phre ekdikish, ti me auth th logikh prepei na misisi kapoios olous tous ellhnes?

BlackAdder
11-12-2005, 03:20 PM
1.se exoun spasei sto ksilo alvanoi epeidh gamises sto ksilo ena mpastardaki pou poulose magies?
S'EXEI KLEPSEI 12 AGGLAKI -OTI EXEIS KAI DEN EXEIS- EPEIDH APO PISW SOU HTAN O MPAMPAS TOY ME GKLOB kai de mporouses na vgaleis kix?s'exoun maxairwsei xrusavghtes (ELLHNES, ETSI?) me apotelesma na xaseis th splina sou?
ma ti malakies ka8este kai lete...nta3, efages mia fora 1 xalasmeno mudi kai de 8a 3anafas pote?!mpravo mpravo!


2. o rolos ths anarxias??!rolos??eleos. ti les?! anarwtiemai an 8es na katalh3eis kapou. kai h anarxia den einai kommatopoihmenh.

oso gia thn emporeumatopoihsh tou che...nta3, malakia pou vgainei kai se anapthres, kai makari na dinan kai en8eto mazi alla dusthxws that's how it works. edw vghke mplouzaki me to 8eio freud re! as'to, allh kouventa auth kai paei makria!

Movsar
11-12-2005, 03:28 PM
I'm standing on my balcony taking a look at the fall of Western Civilization in the hands of subhuman scum

ANYONE who crosses my line wont know what hit them.



simple as that

BlackAdder
11-12-2005, 03:29 PM
lol!giati na mh menw apenanti ap'to mpalkoni sou?! :?

Movsar
11-12-2005, 03:49 PM
don't get me wrong honey.

subhuman den einai kati pou xwrizetai se ethnotites kai ratses. subhuman einai ena fainomeno se kathe ratsa kai fylh tou kosmou. o kathe laos exei ksexwrista atoma pou einai pera apo thn metriotita. opws yparxoun ellhnes aksioi yparxoun kai alvanoi aksioi kai afrikanoi aksioi. yparxoun atoma se olous tous laous pou aksizoun.

vevaia yparxei kai to 90% twn subhumans. oi perisoteroi pou vlepw eksw ston dromo den aksizoun mia. opoios einai skinhead kai to paizei fasistas, den aksizei mia, sthn pragmatikotita einai enas kretinos pou gia na vgalei ta kompleks tou pianetai apo mia ideologia pou ton kanei na nomizei oti einai kalyteros. alla einai enas hlithio skoupidi. to idio kai enas vlaxoalvanos pou tsampoukalevetai gia na vgalei ta dika tou kompleks. kai oi 2 tha exoun thn idia antimetopish.

twra an dw kapoion ANEKSARTITWS ethnotitas na einai atomo pou na palevei th zwh tou kai na kserei na th zei tote nai, aytos aksizei xilies zwes kretinwn kai kompleksikwn. giati otan enas anthwpos plathei th zwh tou mesa apo ta epiteygmata tou kai thn koyltoyra tou, tote den asxoleitai me koinwnikes tapmeles kai koinwnika standar.

eimai pera apo patrida-thriskeia-malakeia. metraw ton eayto mou me ta epiteygmata mou kai oxi to poso gamatoi htan oi progonoi mou. den perimenw thn koinwnia na me anadeiksei, tha thn xrhsimopoihsw gia na anadeixtw me tis dikes mou ikanotites. kai epeidh kserw poso skata einai o kosmos panta exw ena gemato oplo plai mou. oso pio poly proxwraw toso o ypoloipos kosmos mou einai adiaforos. den eimai fasistas, eimai misanthrwpos (hail bill hicks)

PS> this goes to BlackAdder. Oso gia tous ypoloipous den me noiazei an symfwneite h diafwneite mazi mou. exw kati asximo na pw gia ton kathena.

case closed

MyTHoS_
11-12-2005, 05:11 PM
don't get me wrong honey.
den eimai fasistas, eimai misanthrwpos (hail bill hicks)

Ara miseis kai ton eafto sou?ektos kai an 8ewreis pws den eisai an8rwpos.

Oso gia tous ypoloipous den me noiazei an symfwneite h diafwneite mazi mou. exw kati asximo na pw gia ton kathena.

Bring it on baby

Lucius
11-12-2005, 09:56 PM
mia aplh aporia:
se exoun spasei sto ksilo alvanoi epeidh gamises sto ksilo ena mpastardaki pou poulose magies?
STO EXOUN KANEI POTE?
KAI META LENE MIN EISTE RATSISTES....
elate thessaloniki kai ta leme......

Oxi de mou exei sumbei, exei ginei omws to idio se pollous ellhnes pou edeiran ellhnes kai h parea tous phre ekdikish, ti me auth th logikh prepei na misisi kapoios olous tous ellhnes?

Stin Alvania misoun olous tous Ellines. Aderfia tou pappou mou skotothikan to '22. Me tous tourkous den exo provlima.To '40 filakisan ton idio ton pappou mou kai agnoito 2 xronia.Me tous italo-germanous den exo provlima.
ALLA DEN MPORO ME TIPOTA NA NIOTHO ANASFALEIA MESA STI XORA MOU!
An oi kinezoi mas kivernisoun se ligo magkia tous, an eimaste eksipnoi tha to apofigoume. Thelo na pigaino stin kafetereia me tin kopela i mia fili mou kai na niotho asfaleia, na min vlepo skatofatses pou tin ligourevontai kai vevaia epeidi einai sinithos 3-4 mazi, na prospathoun na mou ksekinisoun kavga, les kai auti tha tous koitaksei, epeidi einai "poli antres". Thelo sta club (otan pigaina) na pernao kala kai oxi na eimai se epifilaki, pote tha figei to portofoli mou i to roloi mou. Thelo autoi pou menoun stin Ellada na ti sevontai. Toso kako einai?

Karamonde den se paraksigo. Otan patheis, tha matheis.

Mythos exeis dikio gia to pioi krivontai piso apo ola auta, alla i kathimerinotita mou mou epitrepei na asxolitho mono me tin korifi tou provlimatos, einai poli periploko kai oxi gia emas i vasi tou.

11-12-2005, 10:08 PM
re dld den se noiazei poios ftaiei alla poios vlaptei esena???
ok polloi to pisteuoun afto gia gia afto eimaste etsi...

MyTHoS_
11-12-2005, 10:19 PM
Stin Alvania misoun olous tous Ellines. ALLA DEN MPORO ME TIPOTA NA NIOTHO ANASFALEIA MESA STI XORA MOU!
Thelo na pigaino stin kafetereia me tin kopela i mia fili mou kai na niotho asfaleia, na min vlepo skatofatses pou tin ligourevontai kai vevaia epeidi einai sinithos 3-4 mazi, na prospathoun na mou ksekinisoun kavga, les kai auti tha tous koitaksei, epeidi einai "poli antres". Thelo sta club (otan pigaina) na pernao kala kai oxi na eimai se epifilaki, pote tha figei to portofoli mou i to roloi mou. Thelo autoi pou menoun stin Ellada na ti sevontai. Toso kako einai?

Dude de 8a se klepsei o alvanos oute o alvanos 8a ligoureftei thn gomena sou..Afto 8a to kanei opoiosdhpote exei thn idia skepsh...Edw den thn sevontai aftoi pou einai ellhnes 8a thn sevastoun oi alvanoi?
1) pou to ksereis oti oloi oi alvanoi sthn alvania misoun olous tous ellhnes?tous rwthses olous?
2)An 8es na niwseis asfaleia tote den 8a thn niwseis an 8a fygoun oi alvanoi..Niwse asfaleia me tis nees kameres pou kykloforhsan kai me to neo mpatso pou se fylaei apo ton "epikindyno" kseno pou paramonevei na se klepse/viasei/skotwsei klp..
http://www.tristero.gr/ktml2/images/uploads/surveillance.jpg

Lucius
11-12-2005, 10:32 PM
Asbos, opos eksigisa den mporo na kano kati gia auton pou ftaiei, mono gia auton pou vlaptei emena. Min to sinexiseis, den thelo na anoikso gia auto dialogo.

Mythos tora

1) Oute oloi oi Ellines misoun tous Alvanous, ena megalo pososto omos tous misei kai malista mono autous. Same there.
Sto deutero thema me vriskeis simfono, ti mporeis na kaneis omos? Asfaleia einai kati ipokeimeniko, ego to niotho etsi, an katharisei i xora apo to katakathi. Exeis ti diki sou apopsi giati to exeis filosofisei allios, dekti.

Anonymous
11-12-2005, 11:29 PM
Einai pragmatika asteio i eukolia pou tampelwnoume to kosmo oti adinateis na katalabeis.. i estw na aixmalwtiseis me ti prwti sou skepsi..

To teleuteo "kairo" pisteuw exei arxisei na ginete pio ixiri pleon sta autia sxedon olwn mas mia anepais8iti ka8odigisi pou proerxete apo pantou kai mas sprwxnei se ena klima pounai gemato apo mia tromokratia.. ena fobo tis idias tis iparksis..
To blepeis sta matia olwn kai einai mistiriodws amfidromo.. I tautisi me tin omotita me tin adinamia na niwseis, i w8isi
na tautiseis auto pou zeis me ena kako efialti, pou exeis stamatisei na ton parakolou8eis giati eisai sigouros ksereis, pws kapia stigmi 8a ksipniseis 8a sikw8eis kai 8a mporeseis na anasaneis pragmatika.. ki omws..
Mesa se olo auto to sino8ileuma "pragmatikotitas" mas exei dw8ei arketi dosi skepsis wste na siniditopoihsoume pws oti kai an einai auto pigazei sigoura apo emas tous idious, apo emas prwtodimiourgi8ike kai mazi me mas, 8a stamatisei na iparxei.. Den to anagnwrizeis eukola pleon giati den exei "meros" den anikei pou8ena alla sindiazei polles morfes kai miazei les kai exei apoxtisei apo mono tou iparksi.. Mporei kai kamouflarete pisw sxedon apo ka8e an8rwpino "pisteuw" stoixiwnontas epitixws ti skoteini meria tou mialou mas ..
Mou fantazei apisteuto to poliko psixos pou pigazei apo auto to meros tou egkefalou mas.. Einai ekei pou briskei trofi kai eksaplwnete arga alla sta8era me monadiko meso tin adinamia tou mialou mas na antidrasei sti 8ea "sokaristikwn" gegonotwn.. Den mporoume na siniditopoihsoume kapia pragmata, den eimaste ftiagmenoi na ksepername tis apwlies xwris na mas afinoun simadia xarasontas bathia to "einai" tis iparksis mas.. Auto to geriko plasma mas odigei se mia ekswterikeusi olwn autwn mprosta stin arxegwni tasi tou an8rwpou gia tin anazitisi autis tis polipo8itis isoropias.....

Ola einai gramena sto biblio tis zwis kai oloi mas exoume na prosferoume mia ousia se auto to kosmo, oloi eimaste enas moxlos sti mixani tis zwis kai tautoxrona sklaboi pou a8ela mas exoume mplextei mesa sauti tin ekselixtiki diadikasia pou exei san pigi tin idia thn iparksi..
Oi kanones einai agrafoi alla entona iparktoi.. Den mporeis na apexeis.. oloi prepei na exoun gnwmi oloi prepei na prosferoun tin ousia tous alliws i idia i zwi se apoballei frontizei wste otan ftaseis sto simeio na siniditopoihseis to "giati" pou simplirwnei to keno pou souxei apotipw8ei mesa sto kranio apo ta prwta kiolas deuterolepta pou ir8es sauto to kosmo einai tote pou den 8a exeis tipota allo na prosfereis, dioti 8a exeis kanei to kiklo sou.. kai oli sou i zwi 8a fanei san to klamma enos mwrou pou arxise me tin ais8isi kapias apousias kai teleiwse me to xtipima sti plati..

Eleu8eria skepsis.. Eleu8eria iparksis.. Tosoi polemoi gia na apoxtisoume auti ti polipo8iti eleu8eria enw i pragmatiki mas ipostasi einai egklwbismeni ek gennetis edw, adinatwntas na ekselix8ei ipodouli gia oli tin aiwniotita stin mataiotita..

Den bariese..

Opws kai naxei pantos mia kai akoustike o xaraktirismos "misan8rwpos" einai i iparksi ekeini i opoia eks orismou misei otidipote exei tin ikanotita kai oneireuete, otidipote elpizei, otidipote mporei na mas apallaksei apo auti tin ipotipodi ipostasi pou monoi mas exoume kataferei na egklwbisoume tin iparksi mas.. kai den anaferomai se tipota allo apo tin dinami tou "an8rwpinou pneumatos"..
Einai krima na iparxoun teteies skepseis giati einai pragmatika poli eukolo na eglwbisteis mesa se ena toixos pou ftiaxneis estw kai an i prwti sou skepsi itan gia na prostateuteis apo ta "eksw".. Kapia stigmi 8a siniditopoihseis pws einai iparbolika megalo afou trefete apo sena, ma 8a exeis mia olokliri aiwniotita gia na metaniwseis.. auto mporw na sto iposxe8w.

San iposimeiwsi kai simperasma olwn na pw pws den einai ola mauro kai aspro.. iparxei kai to roz!!

Necromayhem
11-13-2005, 03:15 PM
1.se exoun spasei sto ksilo alvanoi epeidh gamises sto ksilo ena mpastardaki pou poulose magies?
o rolos ths anarxias??!rolos??eleos. ti les?! anarwtiemai an 8es na katalh3eis kapou. kai h anarxia den einai kommatopoihmenh.

oso gia thn emporeumatopoihsh tou che...nta3, malakia pou vgainei kai se anapthres, kai makari na dinan kai en8eto mazi alla dusthxws that's how it works. edw vghke mplouzaki me to 8eio freud re! as'to, allh kouventa auth kai paei makria!

1) Ti leksi "rolos" ti xrisimopoihsa oti kai kala o kathe anthropos exei ena rolo sth zwh.... Etsi kai kapoios anarxikos tha
exei kati na kanei, ara kapoio "rolo"! Den ksero an me pianeis... H anarxia den einai kommatopoihmenh alla etsi
exei kataliksei.

2)Epishs shmera ta panta exoun emporeumatopoihthei gia na vgoun fragka! Sevasmos den iparxei gia tipota kai gia
ola ftaiei h katantia tou "shmera"!!!

vazelo
11-13-2005, 03:55 PM
Den eimai ego ratsistis.
Aftoi einai Albanoi.

Ekso malakismena skiperia

ErevoS^
11-13-2005, 03:56 PM
ekso oi alvanoi kai lock

BlackAdder
11-13-2005, 04:19 PM
giati meta apo liga kala replies prepei na petiounte tsoutsekakia kai na petane paparies etsi gia na shkwsoun kuma?
BALTE TOUS KAMIA KALTSA STO STOMA NA MPOUKWSOUN, PLEASE!

Necromayhem, o logos pou to eipa einai giati peftei polu kouventa me genikothtes epeidh voleuei...
kata t'alla, nomizw, se pianw

BaByLoN
11-13-2005, 04:23 PM
Ntaks, eleos!

Exasa teleios to topic, einai proi, katafera na diabaso mono tis protes 3 selides, kai me epiase mia anagoula toso megali, pou an synexiso na diabazo, standar tha kseraso pano sto kakomoiro to keyboard....

Re kounitheite ligo apo ti thesi sas na asprisete leo go.....
Ntropi ta signature sas diladi....

Eimaste oloi ratsistes, eimaste anoteros laos, tststs, athanato elliniko pneyma, kleiste ta sunora kai min ksexnate pos kai kathe
mi ellin ison barbaros.....

Kai bgikan tora oloi oi "ellines", emeis, oi spoudaioi, na metadosoume ton "ellinismo", ta fota kai ton politismo, pernontas tin simaia tou uperoxou aytou kratous opou zoume apo ta xeria mikron paidion, pou mporei na min genithikan "entos sunoron",
alla kataferan na diakrithoun kai na kseperasoun emas tous idious (uparxei arage megaliteri TIMH gia enan lao apo to na metadidei ta fota tou stous ftoxoterous, kai oi ftoxoteroi na ta ektimoun kai na ta aksiopoioun kalitera apo emas tous idious???) .... Ntropi se mas tous ellines, tous katharoterous, tous arious, tous spoudaious na min ektimame kan ayto pou exoume.... Alla nai, to paidaki apo tin albania mas pirakse, pou kratise tin dikia mas simaia stin parelasi, oxi ta dika mas paidia, OI DIKOI MAS STOURNOI pou den kataferan na bgaloun megalitero bathmo....... ZHLIARIDES ELLINES, ANIKANOI na kratisoun tin idia tous tin simaia.........

Me ti bathmo teleiosate to lukeio eseis paidakia??? Kratisate pote simaia sta xeria sas afou toso sas noiazei????

Balte tis leykes tirantes sas kai ta aspra sas kordonia, kai katebeite 10 - 10 (pote monoi) stin omonoia kai spaste sto ksulo olous tous albanous kai tous kourdous kai tous astegous giati me ayto ton tropo metadidete stous ftoxoterous to athanato elliniko pneyma kai ta fota tou politismou mas...... Ayto simainei ellinismos, ayto simainei anoterotita.....

Ntropi sas "Ellinopoula".....!

Prosopika, san marilena, upografo oti ta megalitera kaka pou exo pathei sti zoi mou ta exo pathei apo ellines, kai oxi apo albanous i tourkous i gioukoslabous....
Ellines me exoun pligosei, ellines me exoun klepsei, Ellines me exoun xtypisei, ellines mou exoun parei to psomi mesa apo ta xeria....
Alla ta ksexname ayta, ta dika mas, giati eimaste FYGOPONOS laos, einai poio eykolo na ta xosoume stous ksenous, stous ftoxous, na tous fortosoume kai ta dika mas lathi, tin katantia tin dikia mas, ta skata pou oi idioi exoume ftiaksei, tin omorfia pou oi idioi katastrepsame, oxi, ayta den ta blepoume, emeis eimaste oi amoluntoi, kai an fygoun oi ksenoi apo ti xora, ola tha pigainoune roloi, tha zoume se mia ellada paramuthenia, xoris egglimatikotita, xoris problimata, tha eimaste KATHAROI.....

An fygoun oi "ksenoi", poious tha katigoroume gia tin dikia mas anikanotita ?????

Apodiknioume tin DYNAMH mas kai tin anoterotita mas kunigontas tous adunamous, xtypontas tous anuperaspistous kai fortonontas ta panta stous ftoxous, ksexnontas pos pragmatiki dynami, pragmatiki anoterotita, pragmatikos politismos, simainei na aggaliazeis, na boithas kai na PROSTATEYEIS tous adynamous..... An eimaste toso anoteroi kai toso spoudaioi oso leme, toso dunatoi, OFEILOUME na boithisoume aytous pou den eixan tin tyxi na exoun tetoio "politismo" kai na "koubalane sto petsi tous" toso spoudaia istoria......

Oso kai na pisteyo ston ellinismo, sti filosofia kai stin omorfia stin skepsi pou enoousan oi progonoi mas otan grafan toso spoudaia pragmata, (exete diabasei pote PLATONA elliopoula? eseis pou thelete na dioksete tous ksenous???) Otan blepo tetoies idees apo neous anthropous kai akouo tetoies @@ apo nea paidia, to mono pou mporo na po einai kala na pathoume, eseis ki emeis mazi sas gia tin katantia mas, kai ta skata pou trome kai tha trome mia zoi..... Mpravo sas spoudaia ellinopoula..... Molis SKOTOSATE ton ellinismo........


SKISTE TA BIBLIA SAS KAI BGHTE STOUS DROMOYS NA DIOKSETE TOUS KSENOUS.......


Ki ego proti tha pao na kapso tin akropoli, giati tetoia klironomia den mas aksizei pia......






Me aidiasate toso polu pou pao na kseraso 2000 xronia politismou (kai kati vodkes) apo to genetika anotero stomaxi mou
stin xestra.....

BaByLoN
11-13-2005, 04:48 PM
p.s.


vazelo


Den eimai ego ratsistis.
Aftoi einai Albanoi.


ErevoS^


ekso oi alvanoi kai lock


Parte epipedo "ellinon"....

karamonde
11-13-2005, 04:52 PM
Great post Babylon, otan ekana to thread tetoia h8ela na dw (mazi me merika Tourgon Blackadder, Mythos, Kilotakia kai Asbos). Diabase tis upoloipes selides, 8a deis oti sthn pleiopshfia mas kaname e3isou kala post. Egw genika antiproswpeuw oti kai autoi pou proanefera alla den ta egrapsa toso analutika giati h8ela na akousw tis apopseis twn upoloipwn mellwn.

Apla to 8ema einai oti osoi lene ta peri politismou zoune s ena anatrofodotoumeno susthma opou dustuxws epikratei sthn ellada pleon me thn ellhnolagneia pollwn kanaliwn kai kubernhsewn alla kai memonomenwn atomwn pou dustuxws exoun apoixshsh (blepe Karatzaferhs, Liakopoulos kai alloi ligotero bronteroi).

Otan lew anatrofodotoumeno susthma ennow ena susthma pou oloi uposthrizoun olous tous omoious tous kai kaneis den kanei kamia kritikh kai de bazei to mualo tou na skeftei mias kai olos o periguros sumfwnei kai epau3anei. Dustuxws omws, ki edw 3efeugw ligo giati prin anafer8hkan kapoia pragmata gia anarxia, to idio shmbainei kai apo thn allh pleura e3isou. Genika eimai kata ths genikeushs, ths omadopoihshs kai tou kapelwmatos.

Auto to kapelwma 8a mas faei, you are either with us or against us lene oloi pleon, den afhnetai xwros sthn diaforetikothta se olous tous tomeis opws politikh, 8rhskeia, agaph pros mia xwra/politismo.
Ti 8elw na pw, opws einai fanero se olon ton kosmo ta pragmata ginontai pio akraia opws h anodos ths akrode3ias kai tou suntiritismou an kai auto 8a pesei opws diabaza se polu prosfates meletes mias kai einai to blowback ths fileleu8erias pou proekupse tis teleutaies 3-4 dekaeties kai h koinwnia den htan entelws etoimh (auta den einai dika mou logia, einai mes apo mia meleth pou egine apo enan italo foithth politikhs kai dhmosieu8ike sthn agglia opou zw). Egw auto to kapelwma den mporw na dextw apo kamia pleura, eite mou einai sumpa8hs kai filikh h oxi, den paw me bash ti uposthrizei h maza alla afou kanw th dikh mou analush kai epile3w, dustuxw polloi einai autoi pou 8eloun na entax8oun se mia hremh katastash kai na ginoun apodextoi (apodexomenoi o,ti tous prosfer8ei), auto einai dustuxws kai h dunamh autou tou susthmatos, basizetai sthn an8rwpinh adunamia gia na mh briskei empodia. Ena empodio 8a htan as poume opws les parapanw mia prosklhsh gia antipara8esh epi tou platwna. Egw den prokeitai na milhsw gia kati pou den 3erw, oute kai na to krinw oute na to xrhsimopoihsw ws epixeirhma gia thn anwterothta enos laou.

Rwth8hka giati ekana auto to thread:
H apanthsh mou einai epidh logw katagwghs exw faei sta moutra polu ratsismo sthn ellada kai exw ma8ei apo mikros na ton sixainomai kai na bazw oles mou tis dianohtikes dunameis enantion tou, eixa kourastei na ton blepw sto forum kai h8ela na kanw ena thread sfugmometrhshs.

Bebaia edw kapoios 8a mporouse aneta na pei oti h deigmatoleipsia mou einai la8os mias kai eimai kuriws energos sto L2 komati tou forum pou ws gnwston einai tou xamhloterou epipedou ston planhth alla gnwrizw oti ekei to thread 8a ginotan trofh gia spammers kai den 8a uphrxe h eukairia na akoustei kati kalo pote.

Euxaristw gia tis apanthseis sas omws, exw dei polu skepsh kai polles polu swstes apopseis kai xairomai afantasta, to 8ema einai omws oti den exw akousei kamia sobarh apopsh antilogou. Profanws den mporw EGW na uposthri3w to ratsismo me kanenan tropo alla kai auto twra den einai ena antistoixo anatrofodotoumeno susthma? Skefteite to...

karamonde
11-13-2005, 04:55 PM
p.s.

vazelo

Den eimai ego ratsistis.
Aftoi einai Albanoi.

ErevoS^

ekso oi alvanoi kai lock

Parte epipedo "ellinon"....

Epidh exoume mia shzhthsh genika upshlou epipedou as kanoun oi mods ena /del auta ta spam posts na teleiwnoume...

BaByLoN
11-13-2005, 05:07 PM
Den peirazei, as min ginomaste fasistes, as akousoume kai tin gnomi ton anthropon pou oi apopseis tous sumpiknonontai se mia tetoia koutsoulia ... Prosopika me endiaferei, kai einai asximo otan uparxei sobarei suzitisi na blepeis deleted posts, giati den se boithaei na bgazeis olokliromeni eikona..... An kapoios den exei na pei kati parapano apo ena aplo spam, aston na to pei, giati to spam se ayti tin periptosi ekfrazei mia apopsi......

tier
11-13-2005, 05:34 PM
edw kai 12 selides milame gia to idio thema.....kourastika na grafw kai mou teliosan ta epixirimata....
i will be back soon....

MyTHoS_
11-13-2005, 05:45 PM
Sorry pou 8a to pw alla den mporw na svhsw posts pou ekfrazoun apopsi(oso atekmhriwth kai an einai).Mono posts pou periexoun vrisies kanw edit h delete..Den mporw na katapnigw tis apopseis twn allwn.Ka8e apopsi einai sevasth.
Kata ta alla thn apopsi mou thn exw ekfrasei kai oso den yparxei antilogos den xreiazetai na pw kati parapanw

karamonde
11-13-2005, 05:46 PM
Den peirazei, as min ginomaste fasistes, as akousoume kai tin gnomi ton anthropon pou oi apopseis tous sumpiknonontai se mia tetoia koutsoulia ... Prosopika me endiaferei, kai einai asximo otan uparxei sobarei suzitisi na blepeis deleted posts, giati den se boithaei na bgazeis olokliromeni eikona..... An kapoios den exei na pei kati parapano apo ena aplo spam, aston na to pei, giati to spam se ayti tin periptosi ekfrazei mia apopsi......

Dikio exeis, kai to spam ekfrazei mia gnwmh apla einai paremboles, 8orubos sthn prokeimenh, skepsou "FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD!!!" apo to Animal Farm tou George Orwell opou ta probata spammaran ta epixeirhmata ths anti8eths gnwmhs kai elige h shzhthsh! To exeis diabasei? An oxi (pou sigoura 8a to exeis diabasei) diabase to asap kai 8a me 8umh8eis, kamia 100ria selides einai kai diabazetai se 2-3 wres!

Kamia gnwmh sto megalutero mou post otan exeis xrono 8a htan polu ektimitea!

BlackAdder
11-13-2005, 06:22 PM
Babz ta kamaria edw, ap'oti fainetai den exoun provlhma me tous '3enous', apla 8eloun epilegmenous '3enous' -3ereis mwre, sa monimous touristes ena pragma- as poume den exoun provlhma me tous gallous (an kai tous lene snomparies) 'h me tous agglous (an kai tous lene vrwmiarides) 'h me tous iapwnes (an kai tous lene idious) 'h me tous italous (an kai tous lene kleftes).
KWLOSOVINISTES TOU KERATA

To'Den eimai ego ratsistis. Aftoi einai Albanoi.' den ekfrazei apopsh, eixe vgei to 'den eimai egw ratsisths, autoi einai mauroi' alla den tous voleue kai to alla3an ligaki. slogan re paidi mou. gi'auto kai to idio exoun peta3ei kaiz3r, mia paralagh o BANNED xaxa, DragonPower, paromoia o tier, BuffDrinker, Hyp3rion(o opoios te8hke sto original), panos1212, 12345678954 (opws Hyp3rion), Lucius (o opoios den to eipe akrivws etsi -sumpa8ei mono tous kinezous kai tous maurous [ti e8nikothtws vevaia den eipe]), o/h Roar enta3ei, peta3e mia koutsoulia kai xa8hke, vazelo kai telos -pros to parwn- ErevoS^
o opoios profanws de h8ele na to grapsei sta kapakia kai egrapse 'e3w oi alvanoi' ant autou.
mpravo sas!ekfrasate tekmhrowmena (e tier?swsta den ta lew?!) thn apopsh sas!kai 8elete na th sevastoume kiolas!oute na milhsete den 3erete.

Tourgon
11-13-2005, 07:07 PM
Ok k i Babylon simfwnei mazi mas :D
Toulaxiston dn eimaste toso ligoi..
Anyway
Ta post vlepe vazelos k erevos dn ta sxoliazw..
Apla diavaste tis proigoumenes selides k ta post mas. auta.
Eleos to exadlisame to thema.
Deite ta epixeirimata pou dinoume, einai sigouro oti DEN MPOREITE NA TA ADIKROUSETE, k apodexteite auto pou leme. Telos. Afou dn mporeite na kanete sizitisi akouste k skaste.

MyTHoS_
11-13-2005, 07:12 PM
8a to ksanapw gia allh mia fora:
Post me yvristikous xarakthrismous ginontai edit(opws hdh egine blackadder kai tourgon)..
Ta symperasmata sas gia thn noymosynh twn allwn krateiste ta gia ton eafto sas pls mhn ta postarete..Kai ksanalew pws ka8e apopsi einai sevasti.
Afta :)

BaByLoN
11-13-2005, 09:55 PM
Sugnomi gia to forum digging, alla opos proanefera den parakolouthisa to thema apo tin arxi.....

tier
oxi san kati alla miazmata pou aftoapokalounta an8ropoi opos oi albanoi...

Tier anthropoi den geniomaste, GINOMASTE. H leksi anthropos bgainei apo to ANO THROSKO = koitao psila. (ekselisomai, proodeyo, skeytomai, dimiourgo)
To na einai kapoios anthropos den einai genetiko xaraktiristiko alla H8IKH AKSIA.

Koitas psila tier?


BuffDrinker
ratsistria eimai idika me rwsous,alvanous,tourkous,boulgarous kai etsi

Masta. Sugekrimena oi rossoi, san laos, oso talaiporimenoi kai na einai, kanan toso megalo kako stin anthropotita pou aksizei na tous misoume.... Den exei simasia to oti ftasan sto feggari, i oti exoun ta megalitera kentra ereynon, epistimonon, anaptiksis se olo ton planiti (plus tou oti ftiaxnoun kai ti vodka :D). Mporoume na diagrapsoume oles tis anakalipseis pou exoun prosferei tosa polla stin anthropotita, stin epistimi, stin iatriki kai stin texni kai na tous misoume gia kapoio agnosto logo .... (tin politiki isos....e? Xm....)


dead walker
Den sou aresei na erxetai enas laos (asxhmos malista) eite einai alvanos, eite pakistanos,
eite tourkos.

Exeis akousei ti frasi "oraios san ellinas"? Nomizeis oti anaferetai sta eksoterika xaraktiristika ton ellinon? MHPOS (leo MHPOS) anaferetai stin omorfia tis skepsis??? Parepiptontos, postare mou mia fotografia sou an thes....


Tier
kserw kai exw mathei na sevome ton eafto mou kai meta tous trigiro mou
Masta!

egw omos tha exw me afton ton tropo aparnoumaste ton arxaio elliniko kai TRANO politismo enan apo tous megaliterous pou iparxan pote stin diarkeia tis an8ropotitas...... an skasoun miti stin ellada pakistani kapia e8ima tous anagastika me tin diarkeia tou xronou tha paroume kai emeis i paradwseis tous.

Masta X2!
Giati se tromazoun ta ksena pragmata?? Thes mia zoi na pineis raki?? Tha se xalage na epines ti mia mpura, tin alli Vodka, tin alli Ouiski ktl????
An ayti ti logiki eixan oloi oi ellines 2000 xronia prin, kai kleinane ta tote sinora, ayti ti stigmi den tha mporouses na grafeis sto internet alla tha eboskes katsikia. Se prokalo na petakseis apo to spiti sou kai apo ti zoi sou otidipote den einai elliniko epiteygma. H ekseliksi kai o spoudaios politismos pou eixame, egine akribos epidi eixame tin ikanotita (kai oxi mono emeis) na anaptysoume kales sxeseis me alla spoudaia kentra politismou (opos px i aigiptos, i opoia kai me ti seira tis prosfere ta fota tis se oles tis gyro perioxes). OXI YOTHETONTAS kai epibalontas ta ethima enos laou pano se enan allo, alla PROSARMOZONTAS ta thetika stoixia se kapoion politismo, xoris na xanoume ton xaraktira mas....
Sorry gia tin paravoli, alla 2 ftoxa gerontakia peinousan... O enas eixe mia milia gemati mila ston kipo tou, alla den mporouse na ta ftasei,kai o allos eixe mia skala alla den iksere ti na tin kanei....

Xeri xeri proxorame ton dromo tis ekseliksis... Den uparxei allos tropos!

Eimaste neoi anthropoi kai einai krima na diaionizoume sapies idees..... Den tha pame pouthena....

11-13-2005, 10:17 PM
re den axizei na grafeis toso gia autous outos i allos den tha katalavoun.
nice post pantos simfono :D

BlackAdder
11-13-2005, 10:36 PM
kai gia na hremisoun ligo ta pneumata, paidia hpia tis proalles alvanikh raki kai ta spage!gamath!kai h voulgarikh polh kalh epishs!

karamonde
11-13-2005, 10:49 PM
Fere kai se mas ligi :DDDDDDDD ade na kselampikaroume ligo :DDDD

Dokimase Grapa apo italia me basiliko kai duosmo :P

Perimenw mia apanthsh Babylon otan exeis kairo

_godfather_
11-13-2005, 11:53 PM
kai anarotiomouna pos ixe pai tosa replies to topic...
anyhoo...eftixos stin ellada den iparxi tosos ratsismos re man opos stin ipolipi ebropi..[L[]L]
bori na leme gia tous albanou$ alla den tous keme kiola$...

BaByLoN
11-14-2005, 01:30 AM
Kale pou pige to post mou pou ekanes quote????? :D
Diabasa kai tis 13 selides tou thread apo tin arxi...
Katarxin an thelete na me peisete gia tin agapi sas apenanti stin ellada, kante ena kalo kai mathete STOIXIODH orthografia,
(theoro ton eayto mou arketa anorthografo, alla pragmatika me kanete kai frikaro me tin anorthografia sas) :PppPppPPpppPP
(Sorry Gf, not personal, :PpPPpp)

karamonde den sou exo apantisei giati theoro mia apantisi mou periti. Oi apopseis sou einai olokliromenes, parousiasmenes sosta kai tekmiriomenes, (plus orthografimenes :D). To sostes i oxi eipame, einai kati to upokeimeniko, alla den xreiazetai na sou po oti mareseis oxi mono epidi sumfono kata polu me osa les, alla mou aresei o tropos pou proseggizeis ta pragmata, i kalliergeia sou einai kati pou fenetai... Sunepos, kai diaforetikes apopseis na eixame, tha mou arese aytos o dialogos kai tha se sebomoun giati eisai kalos sunomilitis..... :) Alla pragmatika, den exo tipota na sumpliroso se osa les, giayto kai den to exo kanei. Gia na min anatrofodotiso to susthma :)

Prospathisa na apofugo na analuso otidipote kathara politiko se ayto to topic, epidi einai idi arketa fortomeno, kai nomizo oti an mplekame kai tin politiki mesa tha ginotan mpaxalo. Tora tha mou peis, pos mporeis na milas gia ratsismo xoris na mplekeis tin politiki, kai tha exeis kai dikio.... Mporei mia "aksia" (aksia esto arnitiki, alla ontos :aksia:) opos o ratsismos na xrisimopoiitai kata koron gia politika sumferonta kai dimagogia, omos nomizo oti stin polu proimi tou morfi kai ekdilosi, den einai dimiourgima politikis anagis, alla ermmm (lanthasmenis filosofias) ??? Giayto kai milao mono gia to "filosofiko" skelos kai apofeygo to politiko.....


(giayto kai ekana kai edit to post mou) :////

to 8ema einai omws oti den exw akousei kamia sobarh apopsh antilogou. Profanws den mporw EGW na uposthri3w to ratsismo me kanenan tropo alla kai auto twra den einai ena antistoixo anatrofodotoumeno susthma? Skefteite to...

true ;)

Aaa, to Animal Farm mou exei ksefygei..... :oops: :oops:

Necromayhem
11-14-2005, 02:09 AM
BaByLoN kala ta eipes, alla prospathise na kratas ligo epipedo se tetoies sizitiseis...
De maresei na diavazw posts se tetoia threads pou eno lene sosti apopsi na periexoun ekfraseis opws
"tha kserasw panw sto keybord" "kserasa" "tha kseraso stin xestra" klp klp...
Mporeis na tin peis se autous pou thes xwris na mas aidiazeis k emas opos adiases
apo kapoious allous!! Relax..

tier
11-14-2005, 05:24 PM
Babz ta kamaria edw, ap'oti fainetai den exoun provlhma me tous '3enous', apla 8eloun epilegmenous '3enous' -3ereis mwre, sa monimous touristes ena pragma- as poume den exoun provlhma me tous gallous (an kai tous lene snomparies) 'h me tous agglous (an kai tous lene vrwmiarides) 'h me tous iapwnes (an kai tous lene idious) 'h me tous italous (an kai tous lene kleftes).
KWLOSOVINISTES TOU KERATA

To'Den eimai ego ratsistis. Aftoi einai Albanoi.' den ekfrazei apopsh, eixe vgei to 'den eimai egw ratsisths, autoi einai mauroi' alla den tous voleue kai to alla3an ligaki. slogan re paidi mou. gi'auto kai to idio exoun peta3ei kaiz3r, mia paralagh o BANNED xaxa, DragonPower, paromoia o tier, BuffDrinker, Hyp3rion(o opoios te8hke sto original), panos1212, 12345678954 (opws Hyp3rion), Lucius (o opoios den to eipe akrivws etsi -sumpa8ei mono tous kinezous kai tous maurous [ti e8nikothtws vevaia den eipe]), o/h Roar enta3ei, peta3e mia koutsoulia kai xa8hke, vazelo kai telos -pros to parwn- ErevoS^
o opoios profanws de h8ele na to grapsei sta kapakia kai egrapse 'e3w oi alvanoi' ant autou.
mpravo sas!ekfrasate tekmhrowmena (e tier?swsta den ta lew?!) thn apopsh sas!kai 8elete na th sevastoume kiolas!oute na milhsete den 3erete.

tora goiati milas gia mena ?egw edwsa epixirimata gia ta pisteuw mou ta antikrousate kai ESKASA den eipa tipota parapano esi giati sinexizeis?
mipos eipa egw oti "den eimai egw ratsistis aftoi einai albanoi?" eipa tpt tetio?OXI.
katalabame oti den simfonis me tin apopsi mou kai to dexome alla afto den simeni oti prepei na tin "upovathmizeis"
fantazome exeis katalabei oti kai i hpolipoi pou den exoun tis idies apopsis mazi sou exoun tin efxeria tou logou e?

_godfather_
11-14-2005, 06:01 PM
=re =BaBilon den ine oti ime anorthografo$ apla bariemai na grafo ta ei ka ai kathe lexis giafto ama dis polles fore$ ena rima me$i$ fonis ston eniko to grafo san na itan b' plithidikos....opote min parexigis
orea episimansi pantos!!!

BlackAdder
11-14-2005, 07:57 PM
giati 8igesai? epeidh anefera onomastika poioi xrhsimopoihsan thn idia frash 'h me kapoia parallagh (opws DEN diavases, egrapsa PAROMOIA gia thn parth sou)? egrapsa kai to logo pou to ekana. epishs to provlhma den vrisketai sto poios exei anti8eth apopsh, opws den exeis katalavei.
mhn e3aptesai!pies ena rakomelo!

tier
11-14-2005, 08:12 PM
giati 8igesai? epeidh anefera onomastika poioi xrhsimopoihsan thn idia frash 'h me kapoia parallagh
ts ts an den exei katalabei MONO me afto pou eipes tora perneis sto idio tsoubali kai emena pou tekmiriosa tin apopsi mou isos lan8asmena gia sena alla kai allous opos erevos vazelos kai allous pou den ipan kati ousiides apla postaran gia na diksoun oti "uparxoun"

Tourgon
11-14-2005, 08:19 PM
Kala sauto prepei na simfwnisw.... blackadder the kid has a point :?
Padws to teleutaio itan swsto..
pieite oloi ena rakomelo!!!

BlackAdder
11-14-2005, 09:37 PM
ti na pw...la8os diatupwsh?!de mporw na ekfrasw pia auto pou 8elw na pw?!paw na piw ena rakomelo!3anapostarw thn allh vdomada!!kourasthka!
pardon gia thn paranohsh tote...

Lucius
11-14-2005, 11:36 PM
Lucius (o opoios den to eipe akrivws etsi -sumpa8ei mono tous kinezous kai tous maurous [ti e8nikothtws vevaia den eipe).

Miso enan alvano klefti, enan alvano pou viazei, pou vrizei ta theia mas, pou kaei ti simaia mas mesa stin Omonoia etc. Ena pososto to kanei auto, autoi na figoun. Oi oikogeniarxes, oi isixoi na meinoun etc. Ok?

Kai BaByLoN kala sou eipan, sostes apopseis alla lathos diatiposi.

Tourgon
11-15-2005, 12:23 AM
Kai pws mporeis na krineis pios einai eglimatias k pios isixos oikogeneiarxis?
O eglimatias timwritai apo ton nomo, an auto dn sou arkei ti theleis, na diwxnoun kapion listi aptin xwra? To idio tha eprepe na simvainei k me ellines, to idio dialitika stoixeia einai OLOI oi viastes anexartitws ethnikotitas stin koinwnia mas (gia listes dn tha milisw ekei paizetai to thema an kanoun kako stin koinwnia k pioi akrivws).
Lucius auto pou les einai adifatiko aptin fisi tou. Katigoriopoieis legodas "enan alvano pou ..." k meta prospatheis na xefigeis apo mia pagida tin opoia o idios evales ston eauto sou legodas "oi isixoi na meinoun".
To idio dn isxiei gia olous tous anthrwpous?
Tous eglimaties dn tous timwrei o nomos? Tous mi eglimaties dn tous afinei stin isixia tous? Etsi k alliws?
Dn vgazeis noima.

Tyramolas
11-15-2005, 12:30 AM
Egw kserw oti to 90% autwn pou einai ratsistes(min pw to 100%) den kseroun kan giati einai ratsistes.

karamonde
11-15-2005, 01:37 AM
Egw kserw oti to 90% autwn pou einai ratsistes(min pw to 100%) den kseroun kan giati einai ratsistes.

Autoi den einai (toso) epikindunoi, oi xeiroteroi einai autoi pou 3eroun giati einai, kalutera na exeis ena xazo antipalo para enan e3upno...

karamonde
11-15-2005, 01:38 AM
Kai pws mporeis na krineis pios einai eglimatias k pios isixos oikogeneiarxis?
O eglimatias timwritai apo ton nomo, an auto dn sou arkei ti theleis, na diwxnoun kapion listi aptin xwra? To idio tha eprepe na simvainei k me ellines, to idio dialitika stoixeia einai OLOI oi viastes anexartitws ethnikotitas stin koinwnia mas (gia listes dn tha milisw ekei paizetai to thema an kanoun kako stin koinwnia k pioi akrivws).
Lucius auto pou les einai adifatiko aptin fisi tou. Katigoriopoieis legodas "enan alvano pou ..." k meta prospatheis na xefigeis apo mia pagida tin opoia o idios evales ston eauto sou legodas "oi isixoi na meinoun".
To idio dn isxiei gia olous tous anthrwpous?
Tous eglimaties dn tous timwrei o nomos? Tous mi eglimaties dn tous afinei stin isixia tous? Etsi k alliws?
Dn vgazeis noima.

Swstos 100% alla suxna polu suxna kai polu pukna o nomos den exei paei ston of8almiatro gia polla polla xronia ;)

Tourgon
11-15-2005, 01:43 AM
Hehe alli sizitisi auti..
Vazeis fwties re si :D
Tlsp ennousa ti tha eprepe na epivalei o nomos..... you know what i mean :P

karamonde
11-15-2005, 01:50 AM
Hehe alli sizitisi auti..
Vazeis fwties re si :D
Tlsp ennousa ti tha eprepe na epivalei o nomos..... you know what i mean :P

3erw don't worry ta flames ta krataw gia to l2 section giati einai zwakia entelws..

Gmt an dei kaneis ta post mou to 95% einai eirwnia, sarkasmos, prosbolh kai flame kai to upoloipo einai boh8eia se paixtes pou pragmatika den 3eroun kai o,ti exw grapsei sto off-topic kai sto music... 3enerwnw me thn parth mou kamia fora me auta, isws 8a eprepe na eimai pantou to idio alla to 95% einai sto l2 section pou opws eipa kai prin den paleuetai...

BaByLoN
11-15-2005, 02:39 AM
A kala, min anxonesai, apo ta 710 post mou (711 tora) to 99% einai kantilia :P (kai den eimai albani) :D
Kai fantasou oti se sobares suzitiseis prospatho na sugratitho :PpPPpppPppP

Afou an deis ti grafei pano apo to avatar mou... Mou to balan, den to ebala ego (:pppPppPPp) :DDDDDD

Lycanthroat_
11-15-2005, 04:42 AM
einai mia ideologia arketa parexhghmenh imo....
dianthhsthke me lathos praktikes...
ousiastika proothei thn anisothta twn fulwn pragma pou k tupika usxiei
s auto pou diafwnw einai h via k to misos me ta opoia emplotistikh h vasikh ideologia argotera....
oso gia misalodoxia k xenofovia
einai apla ta kuriotera komplex tou mesoastou ellhnara... get over it,....

Necromayhem
11-15-2005, 12:51 PM
BaByLoN mallon simfoneis oti sou paei tetoios titlos e :P

BlackAdder
11-15-2005, 03:09 PM
oute n'agiasw de m'afhnete....Q%!%$#!^@$^@..
Lucius me tous ellhnes auths ths kathgorias ti 8a ginei?!na meinoun 'h na fugoun?! na deis se poion agwna sto ghpedo kaigan th shmaia...spaw to kefali mou!de mou les, ti na kanw m'enan karagkiozh apo ta trikala pou mou vrise th mana?!

MyTHoS_
11-15-2005, 03:14 PM
oute n'agiasw de m'afhnete....Q%!%$#!^@$^@..
Lucius me tous ellhnes auths ths kathgorias ti 8a ginei?!na meinoun 'h na fugoun?! na deis se poion agwna sto ghpedo kaigan th shmaia...spaw to kefali mou!de mou les, ti na kanw m'enan karagkiozh apo ta trikala pou mou vrise th mana?!
Mhn pas makria thn kaine ka8e xrono sto polytexneio thn shmaia(to exoun kanei e8imo pleon..):roll:
Oso gia afton pou sou evrise thn mana vale thn fantasia sou na doulepsei :twisted:

Tyramolas
11-15-2005, 06:59 PM
BaByLoN mallon simfoneis oti sou paei tetoios titlos e :P
emena necromayhem ti titlos tha mou tairiaze?

loulou123
11-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Pisteuw oti upo sunthikes oloi mas mporoume na ginoume ratsistes akoma ki autoi pou thewrhtika eimaste enantion tou.

Dustuxws o anthrwpos einai egwkentriko on ki otan niwthei oti apeileitai, einai ikanos gia ola... Apexei polu h thewria apo th praxh.

Pantws gia na mh parekshghthw den eimai ratsistria alla den apokleiw oti kapote kai gia sugkekrimenous logous tha mporousa na deixw fuletiko h koinwniko ratsismo parolo pou mexri twra den mou xei tyxei. Prospathw omws na eimai eilikrinhs me ton eauto mou kai POTE den apokleiw tipota. Ta oria twn anthrwpwn mporoun na ginoun polu elastika. Auto mou xei deiksei h empeiria mou mexri shmera.

Tourgon
11-15-2005, 07:20 PM
Mporw na fadastw oti mporw nw niwthw misos gia ena atomo.
Dn mporw na fadastw oti tha niwsw misos gia mia fili...
Dn to pisteuw auto pou les. Dn mporoume na ginoume oloi mas ratsistes.

Lucius
11-15-2005, 11:33 PM
Ok, to paratao, eiste para polloi gia mena kai arxizo na anarotiemai pios exei dikio telika. Den ksero an eimai ego o swstos, alla kratao tis apopseis sas. To thema itan gia ton ratsismo pantos, gia auto milisa. Den leo oti Ellines den ta kanoun auta, alla oi Ellines einai alli katigoria, polites tis Elladas, kai tous analamvanei i Ellada. I alvania tous alvanous etc... Isws giati perimenoume apo tous Alvanous na einai isixoi kai iremoi oso menoun edo, isws gia auto na antidroun etsi. To sigouro einai oti den provlepetai allagi apo to pouthena, prepei na ginei kati drastiko (oxi aparaitita kako) apo tin kivernisi, giati exoun idi parousiastei krousmata vias, kai tha parousiazontai kai sto mellon (Xrisi Augi).

Mias kai leme gia avatars, valte pano apo to diko mou sand ninja plz! E? Plz...

Necromayhem
11-16-2005, 12:27 AM
BaByLoN mallon simfoneis oti sou paei tetoios titlos e :P
emena necromayhem ti titlos tha mou tairiaze?
XAXAXAXAXAXXXAXAXAXAXA
sta xwnw alla ta thes k esi e? :P De xortaineis :lol:
Anyway de sou lew edw, giati de leei na mamisoume to thread auto...

BaByLoN
11-16-2005, 02:21 AM
/edit by Me (TsTsTs oute na brisoume ton eayto mas den mporoume pia!! Pou badizoume????)


To sigouro einai oti den provlepetai allagi apo to pouthena, prepei na ginei kati drastiko (oxi aparaitita kako) apo tin kivernisi, giati exoun idi parousiastei krousmata vias, kai tha parousiazontai kai sto mellon (Xrisi Augi).

Gia ayta ta krousmata vias omos den ftaine oi "ksenoi", etsi??? Ftaiei i parenthesi pou ebales..... Kai prosopika, mporei na eimai ellinida 100% alla den me exei kolisei pote se toualeta alvanos i kourdos i rossos, i eskimoos, i parenthesi pou ebales omos,
to exei kanei..... :////

karamonde
11-16-2005, 03:16 AM
Hate 'em..... badly......

BaByLoN
11-16-2005, 03:22 AM
Basika, sunopsizontas, mporo na po oti apo ayto to thread ematha polla kainourgia kai endiaferonta pragmata...!!!

Katarxin!!

To anthropino eidos, den einai ena kai monadiko, to anthropino eidos xorizetai se polles sunomotaksies kai katigories (san tous skulous ena pragma, alla sto pio pardalouli!).

Exoume kai leme! Yparxoun oi ekseis katigories anthropon!

OI ASPROI! Aytoi eimaste emeis oi Ellines apo oso exo katalabei. Prepei na eimaste kaliteroi apo olous, We rule ki ets, tous exoume olous. Den biazoume, den kleboume, den pernoume to psomi kanenos, Kai an fonaksoume kai kanena "OUUUU" stin omonia se agona elladas - albanias, E den Gamietai? Ti peirazei??? Eimaste OMORFOI, den eimaste Skulofatses san tous allous, kai ayto metraei :D Epidi akribos eimaste toso omorfoi, eimaste kai i moni filii pou kalopidaei, giati apo do bgainei kai to gnosto laiko apoythegma "Salta gamisou mpas kai aspriseis".

Oi MAYROI! Aytoi einai osoi einai apo kato mas (geografika enoo). Einai talaiporimenos laos kai exei mia istoria sklabias. Mporei na min mas ftanoun oute sto daxtilaki stin magkia giati einai mauroi, alla "den exoun peiraxei kanenan k den dhmiourgoun problhmata". Kai pano apo ola mas promitheyoun ftina CD. Den eimaste sto idio level, alla den tous misoume ki olas de!

OI KOKKINOI! Aytoi einai oi rossoi (o Xromatismos bgainei logo uperbolikis katanalosis VODKAS, min paei sto politiko to mualo sas). Aytoi einai polu kakoi anthropoi kai tous misoume thanasima. Den kseroume to giati, alla standar kapoios logos tha uparxei. Ksou Ksou! Makria!

OI PRASSINOI! Aytous Den mas pernei na tous misoume, giati an tous kanoume kako tha fonaksoun tous filous tous apo ton LAGOU ALFA (o opoios parepiptontos brisketai se aionio polemo me ton SEIRIO B) kai tha kateboun sti gi me ta diastimoploia tous na mas gamisoun prin prolaboume na poume "mpaklabas"! Oxi oxi, aytous den tous misoume, den mas pernei!!!

OI KITRINOI! Aytoi einai osoi einai meta tous tourkous geografika, kai aplonontai terma, mexri na piaseis pali thalassa. Aytoi einai polu mustiria upothesi, giati uponomeyoun tin pagosmia oikonomia me skopo na kataktisoun ton kosmo mia mera me vermoudes. Einai tosoi polloi, pou na fantasteis oti an mia mera ftarnistoun oloi tayroxrona, tha plimirisei oli i gi apo ti myksa kai tha sikothei ena tsounami NAAAAA kai tha pethanoume oloi! Tous misoume giati einai kontoi kai exoun oloi fotografikes mixanes kaliteres apo tis dikes mas. Oi kitrinoi anthropoi bgainoun kaliteroi se klimaka RGB giati sto CMYK kseplenei ligo.

OI MPLE! Aytoi einai isa me 40 pontous kai trone batomoura kai tous agapame olous!!! *Outses mple pou eipe kai i stroumfita......

OI ALVANOI! Aytoi den anoikoun se gnosti sunomotaksia. Den einai oute asproi, oute mayroi, oute kokinoi, oute kitrinoi sto fusiko tous... Ara, eksantlontas ta xrommata tis iridas (kai afou den einai oute 40 pontous, alla oute kai exoun kai diastimoploia, ade na xoun kana Datsun me to zori) ftanoume sto sumperasma pos einai rozouli.
Autoi omos, xorizontai se 2 katigories. Stin proti katigoria exoume aytous pou kleboun, biazoun, skotonoun, brizoun ta theia mas kai kaine simaies stin omonoia. Stin alli katigoria anoikoun oi oikogeniarxes. Ara osoi alvanoi einai pantremenoi, einai kaloi anthropoi kai den tous misoume. Oi alloi mporoun na psofisoun.

OI BOULGAROI! Aytous mono kopela tous misei se ayto to forum (Tha mporousame na prosthesoume oxi mono tous voulgarous, alla kai olo to Anatoliko Block). To giati den to analuo, einai psuxofthoro giati eimai kai ego kopela kai epibaletai na miso to anatoliko Block. EKSO OI DIMETRES KOUKLARES APO THN ELLADA!!!! KATO H BOULGARIA!!!! OUUUUUU!!!!!

OI PAKISTANOI! Autous tous misoume gia ton antitheto logo. Oxi epidi einai omorfoi, alla epidi einai asximoi. Telia kai paula.

OI TOURKOI! Aytous tous misoume giati exoun ilithies seires stin TV pou tous deixnoun agapimenous me tous Ellines.
Kai pali telia kai paula.


Ksexasa kati re paidia??? Ayta den einai ta xrommata tou anthropinou eidous???? :///////////
:shock:

karamonde
11-16-2005, 03:27 AM
Egrapses! Akoma gelaw!

ErevoS^
11-16-2005, 07:38 AM
p.s.


vazelo


Den eimai ego ratsistis.
Aftoi einai Albanoi.


ErevoS^


ekso oi alvanoi kai lock


Parte epipedo "ellinon"....


To epipedo mas Babylon einai na teliwsw to likeio me 19 & 8/11ata na perasw san defteros kai na teleiwsw tin arxeologikh sxolh athinas.Mporw anetotata na kanw attach ena apolithrio likeiou kathw kai to diplwma pou exw tou panepisthmiou.Se parakalw to oti exw kapoia stereotipa den simenei oti afto sou dinei dikaiwma na krineis to epipedo mou.Tetioi xarakthrismoi na leipoun parakalw toulaxiston gia to atomo mou

No offence taken pantws :D

karamonde
11-16-2005, 11:43 AM
Kai meta apo ola auta periorizeis thn epixeirhmatologia sou se sobarh shzhthsh se pente (5) metrhmenes le3eis?
Den nomizw oti ena cv mas kanei kati atrwto sthn kritikh! O tropos pou ekfrasthkes einai to ligotero geloios, eristikos kai fasistikos. Ti lock kai malakies, pes kati gia na mas boulwseis an mporeis kai tote lock. Soz epixeirhmatologia 5 le3ewn den pianei kai polu topo.
Epipleon sorry pou sto lew alla einai deigma komplexismou to na petas to CV sou ws epixeirhma opoioudhpote eidous. 8es na kanw ki egw to idio na doume poios ta exei paei kalutera? Den leei nomizw kai 8a einai kai geloio.

MyTHoS_
11-16-2005, 04:18 PM
8a symfwnhsw..Anti8etws me to na les oti exeis to tade diplwma deinxeis anwrimothta..Afou exeis tetoio diplwma kai ypoti8etai pws exeis anwterh paideia dwse mas ta epixeirhmata sou..Kai an me peiseis pistepse 8a fwnazw to idio mazi sou..

Tourgon
11-16-2005, 05:52 PM
BaByLoN n1 post :D
K profanws simfwnw me karamonde sxetika me erevos....
:/
Episis tha ithela na prosthesw kati sta xrwmata twn filwn :)

ΟΙ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΙ
Δεν εχουμε δει Εβραιο στην ζωη μας! Δεν ξερουμε πως ειναι! Αν και ειναι ασπροι (ετσι μαθαμε στα θρησκευτικα στο Μωηση στην 1η γυμνασιου) εμας δεν μας νοιαζει!
Καποιος (δεν θυμομαστε ποιος) μας ειπε μια φορα οτι μας εξουσιαζουν και οτι για ολα φταιει ενα περιεργο και μυστηριο "εβραικο λομπυ"!!!
Τελικα ισως και να μην ειναι ανθρωποι!!!! Αφου δεν τους εχουμε δει ποτε, τους μισουμε θανασιμα, οπως μισουμε το αγνωστο και το καταπιεστικο! Επειδη ειμαστε υπερβολικα ηλιθιοι και δεν μπορουμε να εξερευνησουμε τους κρατικους μηχανισμους και τους Ελληνες που μας καταπιεζουν το ριχνουμε σε μια φυλη!! Οχι λαθος. Σε μια θρησκεια!
Α ξεχασα. Επισης δεν ειναι Χριστιανοι. Απιστα φασιστοκαθαρματα!!!!

Auta.

ErevoS^
11-16-2005, 06:14 PM
DEn aneptiksa kati.Tin gnwmh mou eipa.

ypo
11-16-2005, 06:29 PM
Καλημέρα..

Να και ένα ενδιαφέρον thread!

Κάνω reply χωρίς να έχω διαβάσει τι έχει ειπωθεί παραπάνω, λόγο της ώρας μου φαίνεται αδύνατο να το κάνω..

Κι έχουμε και λέμε..

Είδα κάποιον να κράζει στεγνά τους αλβανούς κι έναν άλλον να μιλάει για το χαμηλό επίπεδο του προηγούμενου, φαντάζομαι λογο του κραξίματος...

Θα μιλήσω για τους αλβανους και τους τουρκους γιατι αυτοί είναι οι δυο που με ενοχλούν κι οπου είμαι αλλεργικός.

Αλβανοί? Σκεφτείτε λιγο τι έχουν δημιουργήσει με την παρουσία τους και μόνο στην Ελλάδα. Για την συμπεριφορά τους θα μιλήσω παρακάτω.. Η Ελλάδα μια χώρα αδύναμη σε κάποια θέματα. Και χωρίς τους Αλβανούς έχει αρκετά προβλήματα με ανεργία, εγκληματικότητα κ.ο.κ.

Και έπειτα στον user που έκραξε τον άλλον επειδή μίλησε σα ρατσιστής (και καλά έκανε) θα μιλήσω με παραδείγματα..

Πλατεία κοντά στο σπίτι μου και δεν πολυτολμάω να περάσω μόνος μου. Γιατί; Γιατί αράζουν αλβανοί. Ναι, όπως και να έχει, αλβανός δεν πρόκειτε ποτέ να στην πέσει τίμια. Ή θα οπλοφορεί η θα έχει την αλβαναρία απο πίσω του.

Να μη μιλήσω για το 12χρονο, το ψαρωμένο παιδάκι του γυμνασίου που έχει στη τάξη τον αλβανό που έχει μείνει 15 φορές στην ίδια τάξη και να του πουλάει τσαμπουκά και να μην μπορεί να κάνει τίποτα. Αυτό είναι ωραίο? Οχι, δεν είναι. Εντάξει εγώ, ειμαι 16 χρονων, καταλαβαίνω κάποια πράγματα παραπάνω απο το 12χρονο.

Το παιδάκι αυτό όμως με αυτά που βλέπει μου φαίνεται θα σχηματίσει μια εντελώς λάθος γνώμη για την σημερινή κοινωνία..

Έχω κι άλλα να πω αλλά sorry είμαι αυπνος.

Necromayhem
11-16-2005, 06:31 PM
Ok, Necromayhem katarxin Im not a Bitch, I am THE Bitch (elpizo na se kalipsa) Kai otan ego ekana flame sta forums esu epaizes me ta GIJoe sou :PPpppPpp :*** Thnks, Die now pliz Ough! Kai an pas na mou tin peis gia flame, kala tha kaneis na alakseis signature prota (i nick), Giati oi Rotting Christ den exoun kamia sxesi me baby Oil :D
[/me sets mode Flameoff, Nor personal, End of flame edo]! :P
Egw milhsa entelws filika kai esi to gamises. Loipon prwta, oute prwpopika me ksereis, oute tin ilikia mou giauto voulose to.
Kai ama goustara flame tha sou katevaza xristopanagies tora na deis poios exei to baby oil kai tis mlkies pou les gia na mou
tin peis. Sevomai to thread tou filou mou kai sou sinisto na sevesai genikotera kapoia pragmata! An de mporeis na to kaneis
ante psofa esi tote giati ego toulaxiston exo kapoia oria.

BaByLoN
11-16-2005, 09:24 PM
LoooL!!! Kale den eipa gia sena, ton eayto mou sarkasa an to paratises, apla sumfonisa se ayto pou eipes (kai to apediksa ki olas)!!! Den diafonisame pouthena!!! To idio pragma leme!!! Apla sto diko sou (filiko) flame, Apantisa me ena episis (Filiko) flame... An ekana sobaro flame, tha to katalabaines, pistepse me... Tespa, epidi den goustaro na gamiso to topic me ta prosopika mou, to ligo edo, an parolayta epimeneis na antalaksoume kantilia mporoume na to kanoume kai prive! Kai gia na deis oti kai ego sebomai to topic, kai ti kalo koritsi pou eimai, kano kai ena delete! Etsi, gia na min trogomaste diladi! :P

Tourgon
11-16-2005, 09:27 PM
ypo diavase tis proigoumenes selides.
Dn adexw na epanalavw xana ta idia gia mia akomi fora. Eleos

Anonymous
11-16-2005, 10:17 PM
Paragemise to thread me 15 selides gemates poli "gnwsi" xrisimopoiwntas tin petiximeni sintagi tou "flame" ..
To zalisate me ta ftwxa ili8ia-adieksoda-flame kai psofise.. Otan kataferei kapoios na katalabei oti opws simbainei sti fisi
etsi kai stin an8rwpini koinwnia i statikotita kai i stasimotita odigoun stin pneumatiki xaunwsi pouxei san apotelesma tin fthora kai tin aposin8esi.. Krima giati eixame san eidos polles elpides (isws ligo perissoteres apo tous deinosaurous)

Cheers

tier
11-16-2005, 10:49 PM
ypo kita na deis exeis kapio stixiodes dikio gia kapia themata alla merika ontos den stekoun :? as poume aftos o albanos pou exei mini mporei na itan ellinas.. kai emeis exoume palikaria [pao 3 gimnasiou] stin taksi ELLINES pou einai 17-18 xronwn kai poulane magia alla ti einai?kati kakomirides kagoures einai..min genikologis toso poli kai opos leei kai o tourgon diavase tis alles selides.
kita babylon pou mou eipes epidi den goustarw tous ksenous stin xwra kai idietera tous albanous..kai mou eipes ena paradigma gia to oti an den dexomastan iddes skepseis ktl apo ksenous px egw den tha imoun edw na grafw sto pc mou kai mallon den tha eixa kai pc....apla pes mou se ti exoun voithisei i albanoi tin ellada?afksithike i egklimatikotita ligosteuoun i doulies ktl ktl....egw pragmatika mexri tora den exw sinantisi albano pou na min einai skatofatsas kai papares skeptomenos mono pos tha sou kanei kako ..ektos apo elaxistous,,,,
kai telos telos den goustarw na bgeno bolta kai na prepei na eimai me alla 10 atoma mipos kai skasoun miti tipota periergi albanoi gia na mas listepsoun.,..oute goustarw ton kathe periergo albano na kathete araxtos omonia eksarxia kai den ksero egw ti kai na se kitaei me miso mati mipos kai tou peis tpt kai ferei allous 30 KAGOURIDES.....
ti na po apla miso tin nootropia aftou tou laou ... prospathise na tin "peis" se kanan albano kai meta to sofotero tha itan na min eisai kai poli monos mipos kai ferei kai allous 330 mazi :?
kala afta vevea pou leo kai exw sximatisi gnomi isos ginonte se memonomenes perioxes kai oxi pantou .alla ti na kanoume emena i sin8ikes me ekanan na pisteuw ston ratsismo isos an zousa kapou allou na min eixa aftin tin apopsi .... :? ti na po eimai arketa mperdemenos..

11-16-2005, 10:51 PM
merikes sintomes diapsistoseis:

1 to post me ton "diaxorismo" ton filon egrapse opos kai i epiprosthesi tou misitou euraikou lobby
2 to komplex pou exoun merikoi edo mesa kontevei na xeperasei se megethos to siniko teixos
3 tourgon den mporeis na peis epanalamvano xana giati einai ipervoli (nomizo) :P
4 an kapoios den exei diavasei tis proigoumenes selides pou den einai kai liges kalitera as min ekferei gnomi kalitera giati mono exipna den einai ayta pou leei kathos exoun antikroustei me epixirimata (oxi tou style giati etsi leo ego lock tora kai telos) arketes fores kai mia asxeti pliroforisi gia ta member tou forum ayta pou kanoume se ena thread legontai posts kai oxi to antitheto!


eyxaristo!!!!!

karamonde
11-16-2005, 10:54 PM
merikes sintomes diapsistoseis:

1 to post me ton "diaxorismo" ton filon egrapse opos kai i epiprosthesi tou misitou euraikou lobby


Ti ennoeis?

Rwtaw giati einai euais8hto to 8ema gia mena

PG
11-16-2005, 11:20 PM
ratsismos = bad thing

Necromayhem
11-16-2005, 11:36 PM
LoooL!!! Kale den eipa gia sena, ton eayto mou sarkasa an to paratises, apla sumfonisa se ayto pou eipes (kai to apediksa ki olas)!!! Den diafonisame pouthena!!! To idio pragma leme!!! Apla sto diko sou (filiko) flame, Apantisa me ena episis (Filiko) flame... An ekana sobaro flame, tha to katalabaines, pistepse me... Tespa, epidi den goustaro na gamiso to topic me ta prosopika mou, to ligo edo, an parolayta epimeneis na antalaksoume kantilia mporoume na to kanoume kai prive! Kai gia na deis oti kai ego sebomai to topic, kai ti kalo koritsi pou eimai, kano kai ena delete! Etsi, gia na min trogomaste diladi! :P
De thelo na to sinexisoume, apla ego de tha elega filiko flame auta peri rotting christ me baby oil kai "die plz" klp klp.

Tourgon
11-16-2005, 11:41 PM
merikes sintomes diapsistoseis:

1 to post me ton "diaxorismo" ton filon egrapse opos kai i epiprosthesi tou misitou euraikou lobby


Ti ennoeis?

Rwtaw giati einai euais8hto to 8ema gia mena

Eirwnika to ennoei... des to post mou ;)

karamonde
11-17-2005, 12:02 AM
To eida re! Apla opws sou eipa kai se pm eimai euais8htos se auto to 8ema, gi auto ekana kai to thread. Etsi ki alliws 8a htan entelws o,ti na nai me to gamato avatar pou exei o asbos

Tourgon
11-17-2005, 12:18 AM
E epeidi einai filos mou giauto eimai sigouros :)
K ilpiza na gelaseis vlepodas to post... eidika meta apauto pou mou eixes pei :P ...
Sorry an se peiraxe :? ........

BlackAdder
11-17-2005, 04:52 PM
kai gamw tis polufwnies exoume!
tier, kamari mou, auto pou oi perissoteroi leme edw mesa, einai oti h au3hmenh egklhmatikothta kai anergeia den ofeilontai stous '3enous' (sugnwmh alla 3enerwnw kai ntrepomai ka8e fora pou to grafw 3enos. SYNAN8RWPOS einai). de ginetai na rixnoume ola ta strava mas se kapoion allo. apodiopompaios tragos legetai. oti kai na sou exei sumvei apo alvano, na eisai 200% sigouros oti mporouse na sou sumvei kallista to idio 'h/kai xeirotero kai apo ellhna, kai apo gallo (kane mia volta sto parisi arga vradu, mpes kai se kanena metro, kai an den psaxneis ton pisino sou thn epomenh 3anakanto!), kai PANTOU.

glifo leromena kilotakia:
Otan kataferei kapoios na katalabei oti opws simbainei sti fisi
etsi kai stin an8rwpini koinwnia i statikotita kai i stasimotita odigoun stin pneumatiki xaunwsi pouxei san apotelesma tin fthora kai tin aposin8esi..
8elw na pisteuw, oti ws neos an8rwpos, proxwraw kai e3elhssomai. Epishs pisteuw, an kai antifaskw sta legomena mou auth th stigmh, oti o an8rwpos apo kapoia hlikia (sxetika mikrh)den allazei. to 1o einai h aisiodo3h stash pou exw sth zwh mou, to 2o h luphrh kai h amuna pou krataw. h xrush tomh einai na kratas to mualo sou anoixto kai na koitas psila, mprosta kai gurw-gurw.
einai katastrofiko les s'ena paidi 16 xronwn oti exei ftasei se stasimothta/statikothta. ant autou kane kati na shkw8ei.

Lucius
11-17-2005, 07:10 PM
(kane mia volta sto parisi arga vradu, mpes kai se kanena metro, kai an den psaxneis ton pisino sou thn epomenh 3anakanto!), kai PANTOU.

Sto Parisi? Oti mou simvei sto Parisi tha ftaio ego, oti mou simvei se ena skoteino sokaki stin Ellada, tha ftaio ego?

Tourgon
11-17-2005, 07:18 PM
Dn tha ftais esi..
Ennoei oti to idio mporei na ginei se oles tis xwres. Me tis iparxouses koinwnies ana ton kosmo iparxei eglimatikotita k dn exei sxesi me tin fili... :/

BlackAdder
11-17-2005, 07:25 PM
8es na peis sto parisi pou den einai xwra 'sou' 8a ftais, enw edw pou einai xwra 'sou' de 8a ftais? pou8ena de ftais agori mou. vasika pou8ena den a3izei na 3ekolliasteis gia 20 euro. alla an sou thn katsei enas gallos de shmainei oti oloi oi galloi einai gia skotwma, 'h viastes.

Lucius
11-17-2005, 07:28 PM
Tourgon einai kati dedomeno omos, etsi?
Etsi itan otan gennithika kai etsi tha einai otan tha pethano. Den thelo na eimai aitherovamon, oi perissoteroi edo anafereste me orous opos "sinanthropoi", "plasmata san kai emas", etc pou thimizoun epirroes romantismou kai epithimias gia enan aggelika plasmeno kosmo. Den mporeis omos na peiseis tous allous gia auto, makari na ginotan. Etsi, to mono pou mporeis na kaneis einai na amintheis...

Lucius
11-17-2005, 07:30 PM
8es na peis sto parisi pou den einai xwra 'sou' 8a ftais, enw edw pou einai xwra 'sou' de 8a ftais? pou8ena de ftais agori mou. vasika pou8ena den a3izei na 3ekolliasteis gia 20 euro. alla an sou thn katsei enas gallos de shmainei oti oloi oi galloi einai gia skotwma, 'h viastes.


Oute oloi oi Alvanoi, to ksanaeipa, mia merida omos einai. Kai epeidi anapofeukta ginetai sigrisi me tou allous allodapous tis xoras mas, oi afrikanoi, oi kinezoi klp den exoun dosei sxedon pote aformi gia sxolia.

BlackAdder
11-17-2005, 07:31 PM
eimaste oloi sunan8rwpoi eite s'aresei eite oxi. kai den einai apopsh auto.

Lucius
11-17-2005, 08:15 PM
Ok, theorise sinantropo sou opoion se klevei, se skotonei kai kanei katalipsi sti xora sou.
Otan patheis elpizo na einai edo to thread na doume ti tha les.
Ta exoume lisei ola se auti tin xora kai mas enoiaksan ta dikaiomata ton alvanon tora. Den ta diekdikoun oi idioi, alla kala kanoun otan tous ta parexoume emeis apo mono mas.

MyTHoS_
11-17-2005, 08:19 PM
Otan patheis elpizo na einai edo to thread na doume ti tha les.

Egw pou exw pa8ei eimai edw kai lew afta pou lew..den shmainei oti epeidh me exoun klepsei allodapoi(pou htan alvanoi sygkekrimena) 8a ginw ratsistis

11-17-2005, 08:21 PM
agori mou nomizeis pos emeis pou milame den mas exoun klepsei pote??? eite ellines eite tzamaikanoi eite alvanoi eite rosoi kok??? epeidi diladi etuxe kapoios pou pithanotata na min fteei kiolas na miso olokliro lao!????? kai an me klepsei ellinas ti na kano na gino ratsistis me tous ellines????????????

AKOU EKEI KATALIPSI STIN XORA " MAS"




den eimaste oute ellines oute alvanoi patrida mas einai i gh

karamonde
11-17-2005, 08:31 PM
Emena me exoun klepei 2 fores ellhnes, mia sthn plateia kaniggos se steno kai mia stous ampelokhpous, sthn upogeia diabash apenanti apo to ghrokomeio Lucius. Me exoun apeilhsei ellhnes sto prwto rockwave, exoun apeilhsei tous filous kai tous exoun deirei sthn krhth kai allou eparxia logw tou oti einai a8hnaioi (auto den einai ratsismos?). Basika kati antisoixo exei sumbei stous perissoterous gnwstous mou, exoun faei 3ulo apo ellhnes, tous exoun klepsei ellhnes alla pote 3enos. Den misw kanenan omws!

BlackAdder
11-17-2005, 08:32 PM
kai poios eisai esu pou 8a milhseis gia an8rwpina dikaiwmata?!pote ema8es na zeis kai na agwnizesai, KAI APO POU KAI WS POU 8A PEIS ESU (EMEIS?!?!) AN 8A PAREXEIS SE KAPOION SUNAN8RWPO TA DIKAIWMATA TOU?! nomizeis oti mporeis na steriseis??? sa xountikos milas
eleos.

tier
11-17-2005, 08:34 PM
den eimaste oute ellines oute alvanoi patrida mas einai i gh hmmm afto to eipes gia na bgaleis rima i to pisteueis kiolas?
kita to oti oli zoume se enan planiti pou onomazete gh den simenei oti o ka8enas tin gi tin leei kai patrida tou..
tora to allo "den eimaste oute ellines oute albanoi" ti enouses?den mporw na katalabo diladi pisteueis pos an upirxe mia enomeni xwra pou na zoune oli oi an8ropoi mesa oli oli omos xwris kamia diakri tha itan kalitera?den nomizw.....
an fisika itheles na peis pos oli einai "an8ropoi" tote pao paso apla diatiposes kapos la8os tn protasi :?

ane kai kati allo ksanasxoliazw fisika to posts sou ....an pisteueis asbe pos afti edw DEN einai i xwras sou an pisteueis pos piso ston xrono i ellines oi PRAGMATIKOI ellines agonistikan upoferan kai den kserw kai gw ti allo gia na exeis esi tin elef8eria tou logou kai genika tis elef8eris boulisis tote apla den legese ellinas.....uparxoun kai kapia aksies kai idanika pou genniese kai petheneis pisteuontas ta....[isos na min eixe kamia sxesi to post mou me to diko sou apla egw otan diava afta pou egrapses afta katalaba isos kanw la8os kai itheles na peis kati allo]apla diorthose me

karamonde
11-17-2005, 08:38 PM
den eimaste oute ellines oute alvanoi patrida mas einai i gh hmmm afto to eipes gia na bgaleis rima i to pisteueis kiolas?
kita to oti oli zoume se enan planiti pou onomazete gh den simenei oti o ka8enas tin gi tin leei kai patrida tou..
tora to allo "den eimaste oute ellines oute albanoi" ti enouses?den mporw na katalabo diladi pisteueis pos an upirxe mia enomeni xwra pou na zoune oli oi an8ropoi mesa oli oli omos xwris kamia diakri tha itan kalitera?den nomizw.....
an fisika itheles na peis pos oli einai "an8ropoi" tote pao paso apla diatiposes kapos la8os tn protasi :?

ane kai kati allo ksanasxoliazw fisika to posts sou ....an pisteueis asbe pos afti edw DEN einai i xwras sou an pisteueis pos piso ston xrono i ellines oi PRAGMATIKOI ellines agonistikan upoferan kai den kserw kai gw ti allo gia na exeis esi tin elef8eria tou logou kai genika tis elef8eris boulisis tote apla den legese ellinas.....uparxoun kai kapia aksies kai idanika pou genniese kai petheneis pisteuontas ta....[isos na min eixe kamia sxesi to post mou me to diko sou apla egw otan diava afta pou egrapses afta katalaba isos kanw la8os kai itheles na peis kati allo]apla diorthose me

Ta biblia kai o tropos didaskalias ths istorias sthn ellada einai abussalea aisxros

MyTHoS_
11-17-2005, 08:39 PM
Ypo alles syn8hkes h anarxia 8a htan h kalyterh lysh..Alla ypo diaforetikes syn8hkes oi opoies einai idanikes :?

karamonde
11-17-2005, 08:40 PM
De xreiazetai na pas polu pisw sto xrono, poso exei o mhnas shmera?

tier
11-17-2005, 08:41 PM
den eimaste oute ellines oute alvanoi patrida mas einai i gh hmmm afto to eipes gia na bgaleis rima i to pisteueis kiolas?
kita to oti oli zoume se enan planiti pou onomazete gh den simenei oti o ka8enas tin gi tin leei kai patrida tou..
tora to allo "den eimaste oute ellines oute albanoi" ti enouses?den mporw na katalabo diladi pisteueis pos an upirxe mia enomeni xwra pou na zoune oli oi an8ropoi mesa oli oli omos xwris kamia diakri tha itan kalitera?den nomizw.....
an fisika itheles na peis pos oli einai "an8ropoi" tote pao paso apla diatiposes kapos la8os tn protasi :?

ane kai kati allo ksanasxoliazw fisika to posts sou ....an pisteueis asbe pos afti edw DEN einai i xwras sou an pisteueis pos piso ston xrono i ellines oi PRAGMATIKOI ellines agonistikan upoferan kai den kserw kai gw ti allo gia na exeis esi tin elef8eria tou logou kai genika tis elef8eris boulisis tote apla den legese ellinas.....uparxoun kai kapia aksies kai idanika pou genniese kai petheneis pisteuontas ta....[isos na min eixe kamia sxesi to post mou me to diko sou apla egw otan diava afta pou egrapses afta katalaba isos kanw la8os kai itheles na peis kati allo]apla diorthose me

Ta biblia kai o tropos didaskalias ths istorias sthn ellada einai abussalea aisxros

ts ts den poli katalaba ti thes na peis :? apla egw apo aftin tin protasoula pou eipe o asbos egw afta katalaba kai sorry an kanw kai la8os diladi......
esena karamonde alla sas emathan sto sxolio kai se emas alla?ti enois? 8)

11-17-2005, 08:45 PM
nomizo pos aytoi pou agonistikan to 1821 kai to 1940 den agonistikan epeidi itan ellinares alla epeidi tous sterisan kapoia kolozoa ta anthropina dikaiomata tous opos kali (i mallon kaki) ora kanoun kapoioi se sunanthropous mas simera!!! episis na sou thimiso pos oi maxes pou exei dothei eos simera se ayti tin xora den einai mono tou 21 kai tou 40 alla kai alles simera xereis ti imerominia exoume (17/11) xereis ti einai ayto?????? aytoi pou agonistikan tote gia na exeis esy eleutheria logou ti nomizeis ithelan????

ps1 tin frasi "den eimaste oute ellines oute alvanoi patrida mas einai i gh" to egrapsa etsi giati auto ithela na po, opios katalave katalave
ps2 tora pou mou eipes oti den eimai ellinas (san esena) tha pao spiti mou kai tha kleo!!!!!!